Chain Vaping Help

[eikouhibiki]

Hey guys. New member here, looking for a little help on my first real purchase. About a year ago I had a Vulcan Vape, which is a pretty standard issue 550 rig I think (I'm still not sure I've got all the terms right). It had 2 cigarette-diameter batteries, 2 cigarette-diameter atomizers, and some 1mg (I think) clear oil cartridges to hold the nicotine oil or whatever. Charged via USB. Its performance was kind of hit or miss.

I smoke like a chimney, basically all day, so the battery never lasted long enough for me. The oil cartridges weren't bad, but could be better. Sometimes it seemed to work drastically better than other times, and I never did get 100% sure what the difference was. Eventually I gave up on it because it was basically kind of crappy. It was a convenience purchase at a local store. Didn't really shop around very well.

I'm interested in trying again now. This time I'll buy online, and I'm doing a lot of research. I'm willing to spend a little money here if I have to (though I'd obviously prefer not to ). I've been reading on these threads a lot:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/267904-best-device-chain-vape.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...683-longest-battery-life-between-charges.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...9898-help-looking-long-battery-life-ecig.html

So far I'm narrowed down to either a Reo Grand + hh357, or a Provari 18650 + Hippo Adapters. I'm not really completely happy with either option though, and my progress is starting to slow significantly in my search. I thought you guys might be able to educate me a little more. Here are some of the things I'm looking for.

*long battery life (this is a little negotiable with the option of USB passthrough, since I'll mostly be using it at my desk at work)

*"straight line" aesthetic (this is what leaves me displeased with the Provari option. even with the hippo adapters, it just looks ugly and silly to smoke out of in public)

*ease of use. (this is where I feel the Reo falls short, on top of price. You have to pump the oil into the atomizer or whatever, and you wouldn't be able to see how much is in there, so you'd need a feel for when to pump again.)

*inability to see the oil from the outside. (I know this is in contradiction with the previous one, but I just find it ugly. Given the choice, I'd consider this on balance with ease of use. As long as the rig has one of the options, I'd probably be happy with it.)

*must refill with oil and not need to purchase refill cartridges

*prefer auto-pull to press-button setup

One thing that's crossed my mind is the idea of getting a more normal, lower power model with a USB passthrough and a few extra batteries. I think this would look better for a night out on the town or whatever. I'm worried that going this route will not produce sufficient power to get a really nice pull.

Thanks for your help everyone! Shorter summary follows.

tl;dr
Looking for recommendation for a good chain-vaping rig for a beginner.

 

[Faylool]

You need no less than three devicesin rotation for quality chain vaping no matter how top notch the devices are and stay away from low reserve. Standard Reserve would be more suitable or high ohms

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Hi and welcome to ECF. My vote would be for the Reo Grand. Realize dripping gives a far more serious hit than any other delivery device (holds and vaporizes the juice) available so it's very possible your chain vaping would be cut considerably. Generally the owners of the Reo are heavy vapers and thus their choice of the Reo. Sure there's a learning curve but well worth it IMO.
Other than that you could buy a pass through to use at work leaving $$ for an alternative PV when out.
Best of Luck.

 

[rdix33]

I just bought the Vamo and some Viva Novas. I love them. Works great. But before that I had about 3 ego batteries and 3 Kanger T2 tanks going all the time with another couple batteries charging. But like Faylool said, you will need extras. Even my Vamo I always have a fully charged battery on hand.

The Vama is a nice upgrade, because it's a lot cheaper than the Provari (which I have never used).

 

[eikouhibiki]

Thanks a lot for all the fast responses. Your input really helps me process it.

Any input on voltage? What do you think is the minimum requirement for a good experience for a hopeless addict? I'm looking at the talon on one of the forum's sponsor's sites, and it has 3.7V. The adjustable ones seem to go from 3v-6v. I'm not sure what to make of them. What would a regular crappy disposable from the gas station probably be using?

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Any input on voltage?

It's not only the voltage but also the ohms matched up to it. I can put a 1.7 ohms single coil carto on a 3.7 volt PV and vape plumes of vapor. Could also be your nic/ mg level is too low.

 

[goeslikestink]

For a budget but good e-cig, or as a back-up- Buy an Ego 1000 mAh passthru device. This e-cig battery has a mini usb cable on the bottom for charging. You can plug it into any usb port and chain vape forever without losing battery life. Once unplugged, the battery on this guy should last you at least half a day of chain vaping. The unit I'm talking about is just the battery portion. This is a very "standard" e-cig battery that most all vapers have used, still use, or use as a backup. Take a look- AltSmoke.com | Personal Vaporizers | Electronic Cigarette | Ecigs | eGo Passthrough Battery 1000mAh

Your ProVari idea- The ProVari is a wonderful device, something you most likely will never get rid of. You will have the option with this unit to change the voltage you are vaping at...meaning you can make the juice and vapor hotter or colder...this will change the flavor and the amount of vapor produced. This is obviously the more expensive option. The battery should last you at least a full day of chain vaping if you use the largest battery (18650)...this will vary depending on what voltage you choose to vape at AND if you intend to truly chain vape the whole time. Most all of us make sure to always have at least one extra battery always charged and on hand. I vape all day, not chain vape, and I get almost 2 days out of an 18650 battery.

For your liquid / e-juice- Since you will be vaping a lot I assume that you would be happier not having to keep refilling your liquid all the time. I would suggest that you buy a cartomizer tank system to hold your liquid. The tank holds a large amount of liquid and has the cartomizer running down the center. E-Tanks and Legionarii Drip Tips The liquid in the tank will keep refilling the cartomizer so you can vape over and over again. This is pretty much where most of us end up...getting a tank. Once you're more advanced you can start to play with other options like rebuildable atomizer tanks if you want to start investing a bunch of money into vaping.

If you are prepared to invest a little coin into your vape setup I think you will be extremely happy with the ProVari, a few batteries, a charger, and a cartomizer tank system. Just note, if you are going to buy the ProVari, make sure that you buy normal resistance tank cartomizers for your tank. Since the ProVari can produce higher voltages you should not use low resistance cartomizers unless you are very aware of what voltage you are using and what resistance cartomizer you are using. The ProVari has become one of the "standards" in the industry.......they are great.

Let me know if this helps or if you have any questions.

GoesLikeStink

 

[rdix33]

Thanks a lot for all the fast responses. Your input really helps me process it.

Any input on voltage? What do you think is the minimum requirement for a good experience for a hopeless addict? I'm looking at the talon on one of the forum's sponsor's sites, and it has 3.7V. The adjustable ones seem to go from 3v-6v. I'm not sure what to make of them. What would a regular crappy disposable from the gas station probably be using?

It varies. There is a cool chart floating around the forum somewhere that has Volts, and watts for different ohm resistance. Just do a quick search for ECIG Ohm charts and you'll find it quick.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

*"straight line" aesthetic (this is what leaves me displeased with the Provari option. even with the hippo adapters, it just looks ugly and silly to smoke out of in public)

Realize you could also look at the Provari Mini. With some large VV PVs we are able to "break" them down into a smaller stealth mode PV.

 

[DJ RyckRak]

Hello , and Welcome back to the Vaping world at ECF !
I know you say that you will be mostly using it at work and thinking USB...
But I know in reality that you do not want to be tethered to a USB port all the time.

If you are serious about getting nice smooth heavy vapor, good battery life-( like a full day +) and you don't like the round tube look....
Don't fool around- get a REO GRAND !
As vaporeyes said....it's for the serious heavy vapor crowd.
Yes- it cost some money to get started, and there is a little learning curve, but it is a top notch piece of equipment and you will need no other for desk work of out and about.
IMHO

Best to You !

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Thanks a lot for all the fast responses. Your input really helps me process it.

Any input on voltage? What do you think is the minimum requirement for a good experience for a hopeless addict? I'm looking at the talon on one of the forum's sponsor's sites, and it has 3.7V. The adjustable ones seem to go from 3v-6v. I'm not sure what to make of them. What would a regular crappy disposable from the gas station probably be using?

Is this the Talon you're speaking of:
Revolver Electronic Cigarettes - Revolver Talon Electronic Cigarette

 

[eikouhibiki]

Is this the Talon you're speaking of:
Revolver Electronic Cigarettes - Revolver Talon Electronic Cigarette

indeed it is

 

[Katya]

Hi and welcome to ECF. My vote would be for the Reo Grand. Realize dripping gives a far more serious hit than any other delivery device (holds and vaporizes the juice) available so it's very possible your chain vaping would be cut considerably. Generally the owners of the Reo are heavy vapers and thus their choice of the Reo. Sure there's a learning curve but well worth it IMO.
Other than that you could buy a pass through to use at work leaving $$ for an alternative PV when out.
Best of Luck.

If you get a Reo, you'll have to learn how to squonk, though.

Honestly, like others have already mentioned, they best and easiest way is to have several PVs and just switch them around. That's what I do, anyway.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

indeed it is

It's a rebranded JoyTech Ego PV
fires @ 3.3 volts
Talon CEO Edition comes with a tank- tank value about $12.00
Talon Tank System Starter Kit comes with the outdated "tank" (atomizer+ cartridge) system- Google "eGo-T leaking" or "eGo-C" leaking
Both very expensive
They are manual push button batteries

Better PV
Kgo fires @ 3.7 volts- $44.00- manual button and same size as JT eGo. KGO kit1100mAh by SLB
You stated automatic button. Generally only the cig sized PVs are automatic and are more susceptible to damage from juice. Manual button puts the user in control and the batts are sealed meaning less chance of damage from juice.

Here's a Kgo review

 

[fold_moiler]

i vape with a ego and a mini vivi nova at 1.8 ohms. i get obnoxious amounts of vapor. when the coil goes i will rebuild it maybe at 1.5 ohms and see how it does.

i smoked like a mack truck like you did. haven't touched a cig in a month. i'm already at 16mg and i started at 24.

 

[Katya]

I wouldn't go down to 1.5Ω with an eGo-class battery; you're entering a danger zone where you can lose you battery. If you need a warmer vape, consider getting an eGo-C Twist or Vision Spinner and increase voltage. Or try the eGo-C upgrade battery that lets you choose between regulated (3.4v) or unregulated (3.7v) modes.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

I wouldn't go down to 1.5Ω with an eGo-class battery; you're entering a danger zone where you can lose you battery. If you need a warmer vape, consider getting an eGo-C Twist or Vision Spinner and increase voltage.

I agree. Manufacturer specifies lowest is 2.0 ohms but some get away with 1.8 ohms...1.5 is really pushing it.

 

[serenity21899]

Just for comparison, on the left is an Ego Twist 1000mah, in the middle a Provari with the extension cap, and on the right is a Reo Grand.



There are smaller versions of all 3. The Reo hides the best in you hand. And the bottle squeezing (squonking) becomes second nature after a day or two. Because it is not a vv device, the carto or atty tends to run a bit hot (although vv is available). To properly chain vape, I switch between the Reo and the Provari mainly, and use the Egos to taste juice.

 

[eikouhibiki]

It's a rebranded JoyTech Ego PV
fires @ 3.3 volts
Talon CEO Edition comes with a tank- tank value about $12.00
Talon Tank System Starter Kit comes with the outdated "tank" (atomizer+ cartridge) system- Google "eGo-T leaking" or "eGo-C" leaking
Both very expensive
They are manual push button batteries

Better PV
Kgo fires @ 3.7 volts- $44.00- manual button and same size as JT eGo. KGO kit1100mAh by SLB
You stated automatic button. Generally only the cig sized PVs are automatic and are more susceptible to damage from juice. Manual button puts the user in control and the batts are sealed meaning less chance of damage from juice.

But the Talon has USB passthrough option, while the Kgo doesn't seem to. It's a pretty important detail for me. Am I wrong?

Also, thanks susieq. It seems sometimes strangely difficult to find pics of the rigs fully set up in their smoking form. That's the form I'm really most interested in seeing them in

EDIT:
Oh wow. Definitely going to buy from DHGate. Holy cow. The prices guys. The prices. You can limit your search to thing that can be sold one at a time, and those things blow everything else I've found online out of the water.

 

[eikouhibiki]

In case anyone was interested in my outcome, I bought a starter kit from a local shop.

2x Kanger T3 Clearomizers 1.8ohm.
2x eGo-C upgrade batteries 650 mAH and puts out between 4.2V and 3.6V when in "Variable Voltage" mode (a kind of scummy corporate naming system).

It's a starting point. From what I've found on the forums, this is a good place for beginners to start. Thanks a whole lot for all your help everyone!