changing voltage / resistance, and why should I want to?

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You are correct. I was like minded for many months. Changing the ohms of the atty will effectively change the watts of the vape. Basically it will have the same end result as using a vv or vw.

I once had a conversation with a guy about VV (back before VWs were available well cept for the Darwin). Basically decided to grab a spinner. What the VV/VW type devices have over recoiling is they can do it on the fly, for lack of better terms. If that vape isn't particularly suiting you you can dial it up or down.

I personally feel the battery compartment is the third most important part of vaping. A good atty and liquid are the top and second. Basically a battery gives electricity.

Now sub ohm and high res vaping are excluded from this and battery safety issues since I do believe the best batteries should always be used.
 

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Obviously, you have the tastebuds of an elderly Yak. All clearos taste like socks, sweat, drywall. Unfortunately, it's been scientifically proven through countless controlled TESTING scenarios, that acheiving the taste of Grandmas loose elbow skin is only possible for the first 30 minutes of a 3.5 ohm Cisco attys life with a defective battery and possibly a knock off RBA with a microcoil wrapped around a twig. (because drill bits cost a fortune)

Usually you nail your posts, Thrasher....but this time you're just plain wrong. Get it together, brother. We need you on your A game.

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This has my vote for best post of the thread. I would have said best of the day, but it's not over yet :matrix:
 

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doctadrea - What I would like to recommend is if you can afford it and want to spend the money then grab something like a Smok SID or an Itaste VV V.3 and give it a try. Those to VV mods will accept anything you want to screw onto them from a $3.00 CE4/5 to a $300 Ti Steam Turbine. You can play around a little with voltages, see if there's enough of a difference to warrant further purchases or if you find it's not for you then you can turn it here on the classifieds and get most of your money back. I don't recommend a "Spinner" type VV device only because they are not as precise. However with that being said my wife loves both of hers, her best friend loves hers and one of my co-workers is 4 months into vaping still on his original spinner and CE5 (he changes his atomizer head each week but still the same original Vision CE5).

Give it a try and if you don't like it sell it or PIF.

Both of these x infinity.

I just... I don't even... why do you... Argh! Never mind. What difference would it make? You are the expert after all.

You know Jake I really did try but doctadrea was asking an honest question.

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I'm far, very VERY far from being anything even remotely close to being an expert. I do however consider myself an enthusiastic hobbyist and like most other hobbyists I like to share my experiences. Where I differ greatly from the self proclaimed expert with the malfunctioning Joye Spinner clone and broken CE4 clearo is that I have actually invested in more vaping gear, understand the limitations of said gear, take advice from the likes of Thrasher, Baditude, Ocelot as well as scores of others and change what I'm doing to find that perfect vape.

I may not ask a lot of questions but I have invested 100's if not 1,000's of hours on here reading. I have discovered that if it's vape and there's anything that can be done to it, with it or about it there's already threads and knowledge.

I admit that I have had some bad experiences with devices, look back to my posts about the Fogger, I threw it out the window, not because it was bad but because I couldn't "get it" like so many others have. There is a very long thread about that device, it's know shortcomings and several people have figured it out and to this day are vaping happily away with it. (Yes I do now have another, it was a cruel "White Elephant" gift from my B&M juice barista).

I'm not qualified to review anything because I don't have a malfunctioning Joye Spinner clone and broken CE4 which apparently makes one an expert on everything vape. Oh and I know how to boil water, am not scared of a drill bit and I own a Phillips screwdriver!!
 
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But I sort of stand by my opinion that voltage is really just as needless as anything else. It can be a useful setting while testing, and for me it was a useful setting on a 3.5ohm coil, but other than that, on any coil with a lower ohm, I haven't seen much use or good out of it. Every other coil I've tried universally has been horrible. It wouldn't have mattered if that coil was set to 3.3V's or 4.5V's. It would have performed horribly. A good coil, like in the 1.8-2.5ohm range, should generally perform pretty outstandingly at the average 3.7V's that any old battery outputs. That's just how it works. A bad coil won't. If a coil can't handle 3.7V's or higher, something's horribly wrong with it.

Sorta kinda correct. Have you given any thought to voltage's dancing partner, current? It takes both to generate power ya know. If either ain't right, funny things can happen.
 

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doctadrea - What I would like to recommend is if you can afford it and want to spend the money then grab something like a Smok SID or an Itaste VV V.3 and give it a try. Those to VV mods will accept anything you want to screw onto them from a $3.00 CE4/5 to a $300 Ti Steam Turbine. You can play around a little with voltages, see if there's enough of a difference to warrant further purchases or if you find it's not for you then you can turn it here on the classifieds and get most of your money back. I don't recommend a "Spinner" type VV device only because they are not as precise. However with that being said my wife loves both of hers, her best friend loves hers and one of my co-workers is 4 months into vaping still on his original spinner and CE5 (he changes his atomizer head each week but still the same original Vision CE5).

Give it a try and if you don't like it sell it or PIF.



You know Jake I really did try but doctadrea was asking an honest question. -Removed by ME-
I'm far, very VERY far from being anything even remotely close to being an expert. I do however consider myself an enthusiastic hobbyist and like most other hobbyists I like to share my experiences. Where I differ greatly from the self proclaimed expert with the malfunctioning Joye Spinner clone and broken CE4 clearo is that I have actually invested in more vaping gear, understand the limitations of said gear, take advice from the likes of Thrasher, Baditude, Ocelot as well as scores of others and change what I'm doing to find that perfect vape.

I may not ask a lot of questions but I have invested 100's if not 1,000's of hours on here reading. I have discovered that if it's vape and there's anything that can be done to it, with it or about it there's already threads and knowledge.

I admit that I have had some bad experiences with devices, look back to my posts about the Fogger, I threw it out the window, not because it was bad but because I couldn't "get it" like so many others have. There is a very long thread about that device, it's know shortcomings and several people have figured it out and to this day are vaping happily away with it. (Yes I do now have another, it was a cruel "White Elephant" gift from my B&M juice barista).

I'm not qualified to review anything because I don't have a malfunctioning Joye Spinner clone and broken CE4 which apparently makes one an expert on everything vape. Oh and I know how to boil water, am not scared of a drill bit and I own a Phillips screwdriver!!

You know my comment was directed at GN right? My apologies if you thought I was directing them your direction. You are far more the expert than I! ;)
 

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You know my comment was directed at GN right? My apologies if you thought I was directing them your direction. You are far more the expert than I! ;)
Oh yeah, I knew exactly where your comment was directed, I just wanted to jump in and type out my novel first.
 

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P.S. How I proved voltage doesn't make squat of difference, is I was trying out the local shop's CE4's, which were coiled great and tasted great, and I was turning the voltage completely up and down on their battery, and the CE4's did great at 3.3V's, did great at 4.8Vs, believe it or not. When you first take a puff on a device, if the coil is wrapped well, it'll taste GOOD, with no wicky tastes, with no downtrodden tastes, at any voltage. If not, it's a sign that it's a bad coil, to a certain extent, or a bad juice. In my testing, I seem to prove that voltage rarely has much of a needed effect in either direction beyond 3.7V's.

Voltage makes a huge difference. Many people can easily taste/feel the difference between 4v and 4.3v, because they have actual, extensive, real-world experience using this equipment, You know the reason you could turn the voltage all the way up, and all the way down without issues? Because it's an eGo twist. It's weak. The CE4 was probably 1.8ohms or something, so the ego's limit kicks in with the voltage up, so adjusting the voltage basically does nothing.

Your testing doesn't prove anything because it's incredibly flawed. You used a few pieces of cheap low end equipment and then based on that experience you make absolute far-reaching statements about other equipment. You say voltage doesn't matter, because you couldn't detect a difference using one specific setup. Not realizing that the setup probably wasn't even delivering the voltage you thought it was, and is the least capable variable voltage setup on the market.

Your testing is similar to if I "proved" that cars cannot go faster than 100 MPH because I was in a slow car that wasn't capable of reaching 100MPH. Then going around talking with authority that cars can't go over 100.

Get a "real" variable voltage device. Get something cheap like a vamo. Put dual 18350s in it. Set your voltage to 3.3, then set your voltage to 6v and tell me there is no difference. At 3.3 you'll probably get a decent vape from your CE4s, at 6v you will probably no longer have a CE4.

You aren't that experienced, that's not an attack, just an observation. There is absolutely nothing wrong with lacking experience, we were all there at some point. There IS, however, something VERY wrong with someone with a severe lack of knowledge and experience going around spreading nonsense.

Fooling around with a broken ego battery and some ce4s for two years doesn't make you an expert on every aspect of vaping, you seem to think it does. If you want to believe that, it's not my place to stop you, but when you are affecting other people then I am going to say something.

There are other people here who lack experience and instead of doing what you do, they spend their time reading and learning. When they come across your posts chock full of misinformation and outright bull, but presented with such confidence and assumed authority, they'll probably believe you, and that's not good.

You say:

"if the coil is wrapped well, it'll taste GOOD, with no wicky tastes, with no downtrodden tastes, at any voltage."

This is based on what? Your extensive experience wrapping coils and testing them at different voltages? That sentence is just completely wrong, and your potentially going to screw up other people's vaping experience by spreading stuff like this around. That's why I'm going to keep calling you on this stuff, I'm not going to allow your vaping expert fantasy to screw over other people.

A proper build will perform good at the voltage you designed the coil to vape at, period. There is no such thing as a build that tastes good at any voltage, that's a fantasy.

You say:

"I seem to prove that voltage rarely has much of a needed effect in either direction beyond 3.7V's."

Once again, more fantasy. You increase voltage things change, you decrease voltage things change. That is just a fact. A fact that every single last person here on ECF will agree with and back up.
 

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I have 3 mechs, 1 standard Ego, 1 EVOD Ego, and 1 Spinner. All of my Kanger BCC's are rebuilt to 1.8 - 2.0 ohms. My IGO-W is built to 0.6 ohms, IGO-L and RSST are built 0.8 ohms (+/- 0.1 ohm). The Spinner generally stays at 3.8 Volts. The clearos all work well on the Ego's and the rebuildables all work well on the mechs. After much experimentation, I've found that these setups give me what I need for almost all of my juices. I'm sure that some of these setups could be tweaked for better performance for certain juices, but I want to keep everything as universal as possible. I recommend what I use to others who are having issues, but the disclaimer is that what I use may not be best for you.

VV/VW is for tuning performance on different juice delivery systems and different juices, and everyone has their preference which they need to find for themselves. It becomes less necessary when you get good at rebuilding, but is very helpful for learning or if you have a few different style toppers you want to use interchangeably. If I used stock clearo heads or carto tanks, VV/VW would be the way to go.
 

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Smoked for 20 years. Pretty much the same stinky cig, unless I was bumming one.

Started out with a simple 510, forget the name. Had a filler material and I added some crap juice. It was ok. Thought WOW this is it!!
Quickly grew tired of it and getting mouth full of juice and battery dieing.

Moved up to Ego cartomizer with a 650mah or something close to that. Thought WOW this is it.
Got tired of the battery not producing enough "juice" from full charge to dead and changing the taste/vape

Moved up to the the Ego twist. Thought WOW this is it.
Got tired of the cartomizer and having to fill up all the time.

Moved up to the Ego tank. Thought WOW this is it.
Got tired of flooding issues and filling/cleaning the little plastic tanks.

Moved up to a Smoktech tank cartomizer. Thought WOW this is it.
Got tired of dry hits, dumping juice due to tank slipping.

Moved up to the Kanger pro, II, III and mini's. Each time thought WOW this is it.
Got tired of flooding, breaking tanks due to dropping dry hits and messing with the wicks.

Moved up to Phinniac tank with Boge cartomizer. Punched my own. Thought WOW this is it.
Got tired of having some Boges last a week or more, others sucking out of the gate.

Moved up to Iclear tanks and MVP batt. Thought WOW this is it.
Got tired of flooding in the mouth piece and general flooding and sometimes dry hits.

Just got a Kayfun clone (Hcigar). I am now saying WOW this is it.
Building coils is easy, love how the organic cotton wicks. Building at about 1.7ohm coils and vaping at 10.5-11watts. Holy crap though, I have a lot of 18mg juice, but can only vape 6mg with the way this thing hits and how much I am hitting it!!

There are a lot of other purchases then what i posted here. But they were my main moves. I could open a vapor shop with all the juice, cartomizer, atomizers, tanks, rings, batteries and so on.

Will see what comes next. All I know is every step of the way I thought I was satisfied. Until I would take a hit off a buddies rig or at a vape store. I do know that I will need to upgrade my batts as I want to venture into lower ohms and higher watts.

One last thing, I still use a lot of the stuff i moved on from. Sometimes to try a new juice, sometimes because I want something small when I am out and about. But yea, kayfun clone is my go to.
 
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My current "Wow, this is it!" is my iClear30s perched on a decent VV/VW. I totally agree with knotin1 and I'm pretty sure that's why we call it a "journey."

Still use my iclear30's. Pop them on a higher mah twist and I am good for going out for a bite to eat or a movie. kayfun for clouds of vape! Give them a try sometime.

The journey never ends.
 

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doctadrea.........early on in your "Vaping Adventure", you may get BORED.....bored of the juice (tastes like old shoes for example), bored of the vape quality or lack of, bored of cleaning this topper or that topper, gunky wicks, what becomes a constant recharging of "stick" type batts............that boredom hit me at 8 months.
I started vaping because I quit smoking, 32 years of Camel Humps (NF) and RYO Drum. I was NOT going back to the stinkies, so I had to change my gear, my juice, learn to wick and build coils, a lot of trial and error. I thought I was just fine with eGos, twists, clearos and MBV juice. Not so, as the taste buds sharpened and vaper's tongue's paid a visit or 2.

I "think" I have what will keep me happy and cig free......I THINK! I have no one to impress except the farm and ranch critters, and they'd just as soon munch on my gear or suck up my ejuice, but damn skippy if I haven't ended where many have with the "you get what you pay for", which, in my case, is "shiney", under warranty, and can be fixed if I have a problem.....it also matches my .357 mag (so I'm a girl and it's the whole "purse matches the belt" bologna, but boondock style).

It is what it is........enjoy the journey!!!!
 

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A new acronym! Not that we really need anymore around here but I like this one. Or maybe PVSS.. Personal Vaporizer Shiny Syndrome? Nope, I like yours better
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IMO this sums up the whole thread perfectly in two sentences :thumb:

PVAD... Personal vaporizer aquasition disorder
 

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Voltage makes a huge difference. Many people can easily taste/feel the difference between 4v and 4.3v, because they have actual, extensive, real-world experience using this equipment, You know the reason you could turn the voltage all the way up, and all the way down without issues? Because it's an eGo twist. It's weak. The CE4 was probably 1.8ohms or something, so the ego's limit kicks in with the voltage up, so adjusting the voltage basically does nothing.

Get a "real" variable voltage device. Get something cheap like a vamo. Put dual 18350s in it. Set your voltage to 3.3, then set your voltage to 6v and tell me there is no difference. At 3.3 you'll probably get a decent vape from your CE4s, at 6v you will probably no longer have a CE4.

Going from spotty memory, depending on the model Ego, max current limit can be as low as around 2 amps.

Doing the math, on a 1.8 ohm coil that's a max voltage of 3.6 volts and a max power of 7.2 watts. Turning the voltage up to the max setting gives you nothing more.

I like my Ego's, but they are what they are. Simple, low precision, limited power supplies. I carry one with me every day as a backup rig. But they certainly aren't the be-all, end-all of vaping, and certainly NOT the device I'd use to do definitive voltage testing.
 

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Ok so I started reading every post to attempt to try and keep with where everything was, and not vary, stray, repeat, etc then goodnews posted here and everything got out of control!

people please, stop feeding the troll just ignore him...

now then, my :2c: i started with a vv ego, it didnt make any sense to me for the first two weeks, what difference did it make, i could tell minor differences from one setting to the next, then i was introduced to the beginners chart that shows you the volts ohms watts goodness... and is color coded... yay! it was great... woo hoo, it made sense and i could find a close to sweet spot for everything, but...

i decided i wanted to be as self sufficient as possible, this is how my vape journey has gone... day 1 ego vv2 mega/evod, next payday (2 weeks later) get wife a set up, somewhere between then and my next payday i got a mini pro tank 2 and i think we discovered mbv, many many orders through them... i believe it was the next payday or it was the one after that we got 1 gallon pg, 1 gallon vg, flavorings, 500ml 100mg/ml nic, mixing supplies started mixing... the next payday i am fairly sure or following (only one of those had a one payday gap not both) got my itaste svd, pt2, kanthal, silica to rebuild coils... (disclaimer: i know using my svd as an ohm meter is not as safe as using an actual ohm meter, however i do not rebuild anything beneath 1.5, and if it is, i scrap it) i wanted something more, i wanted to rebuild, but i wanted something more, it wasnt that my ego vv wasnt good enough, its that, it wasnt convenient enough for me. i would say my favorite thing about my svd isnt the vv/vw or the ohms, or the fact i could use it as a mini billy club if i needed to... its the removable battery... i have two 18650s, 1 in a batt case charged 1 in the svd, i never worry about charging my svd before work... once i drain the battery in, i change em out, charge that battery once i get home, and im good to repeat... im never tethered to anything, i love it... i will say that there are other devices i am becoming interested in, i have 2 genesis style rbas coming to me, and am looking forward to playing with them, hopefully replacing my pt2 (which came with my svd) i went that route though because i heard so many great things... i also have set my eyes to various other mods out there, however nothing mechanical interests me... not because i wouldnt like it, because i like to be cautious, and not because a mechanical is dangerous, but because i do have bonehead moments, where say i forget to put a fresh battery in one morning, go to work, dont notice the voltage drop, and over use the battery, nope, no thanks, regulated for me... i want idiot proof... because i can be an idiot at times... now something like the duke or a dna 20 would be cool... i think my current unicorn would be a bottom fed, similar to a reo but vw... with a display (i asked and the response was too complicated) i figured if im going to be looking at paying close to 200 or more may as well see how much more it would be to get it slightly customized right?

anyway the point is, take whatever steps you want, this is your journey, enjoy it... if i didnt want to rebuild and didnt know about these forums i would still probably be sitting on my ego v v2 mega... im not saying thats a bad thing either...

dont let people talk you into something you arent ready to do, and if you think your wanting something more, ask here, youll get the advice you were looking for...
 
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