Chemistry fans - Steep/Aerate with H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide)?

[kparisi]

I've been doing quite a bit of research on this forum on steeping methods since I'm such a newbie to vaping. I've also been searching for the best way to clean my clearos that cannot be disassembled. (Even though this is not the topic of discussion, it's relevant.) I found an odd solution: baking soda and vinegar. I believe the baking soda would leave a residue when combined with vinegar, but it got me thinking about bubbles... Bubbles oxygenate and may decrease steeping time, as well as increase flavor. Here's what I've found and why it might work:

Hydrogen peroxide (H2O2 in common household 3% concentration) breaks down to just plain water after being introduced to a catalyst, and reaction is complete (the bubbles stop). It then stabilizes, thus making H2O2 by itself safe to vape. However, I'm by no means suggesting that you do vape it.
H2O2 reacts with multiple enzymes and metals, not just catalase, but I can't remember if glycerine is a reactor or an inhibitor to H2O2. Also don't know if it reacts to PG.
H2O2 is combined with propylene to make propylene oxide, which then is hydrolyzed into propylene glycol. So does this mean that PG will not force a violent reaction from H2O2 because it is a by-product of it, or has the class changed?
H2O2 is sometimes used during the steeping process of alcohol spirits and is said to cut steeping time due to oxygenation.

I'm a little leery of trying this out in my kitchen since the reaction could be volatile. The whole idea is to oxygenate the juices to decrease steeping time. For example, wine has a much better aroma and taste when poured through an aerator. I'd appreciate any input and thoughts on this, and it doesn't have to include hydrogen peroxide, but any ideas you might have to oxygenate a mix. The geeky little girl in me just isn't satisfied with a simple bottle shake and waiting two weeks.

 

[Hoosier]

First, steeping is not oxidizing. Oxidizing is airing-out or letting a juice Breathe. Breathe and Steep do two different things to juice and it is a shame that so many people lump them all as steeping and many newbies never get a chance to experience what their juice could taste like.

Next, both PG and VG are not real reactive things. If they were then Steeping and Breathe would be rather unnecessary.

Lastly, I tried it just to see. I put a splash of hydrogen peroxide 3% solution and a splash of 70/30 PG/VG into a cup. Nothing more than a thinning of the PG/VG happened. So feel free to try it in your house, there will not be any mess. I would not recommend vaping the finished product though.

With that said, I am encouraged that you think about things that are not commonly thought of. I'd bet you'd make a good mixer! How long before you join us?

 

[michaelsil1]

Hoosier,

You really are a tweaker I love it.

 

[vapero]

would pouring the juice into a wine aerator several times help evaporate the alcohol on some juices? that's an interesting concept

 

[Traver]

As Hoosier stated seeping and oxidation are different things. I always thought juice and nicotine should be kept in airtight containers to prevent the oxidation of nicotine and to preserve the flavors. This may not be practical for the juice bottle being used to refill cartos. For seeping and long term storage there should be as little air in the bottle possible.

 

[Hoosier]

Hoosier,

You really are a tweaker I love it.

Some folks say I'll try anything at least once...

 

[Hoosier]

would pouring the juice into a wine aerator several times help evaporate the alcohol on some juices? that's an interesting concept

Interesting... What's a wine aerator?

I'm familiar with making shine out of homebrewed dandelion and watermelon wine after it's gone sour, but other than drinking wine out of old milk jugs, I'm not too familiar with wine accessories used after it is made and before it is distilled.

 

[FACE MEAT]

Interesting... What's a wine aerator?

I'm familiar with making shine out of homebrewed dandelion and watermelon wine after it's gone sour, but other than drinking wine out of old milk jugs, I'm not too familiar with wine accessories used after it is made and before it is distilled.

I'm not a wine guy, but it's supposed to speed up the decanting process.

 

[Hoosier]

It would be interesting just to know if that would even work correctly with the viscosity of juice?

 

[FACE MEAT]

Even if e-liquid flowed through a wine aerator like wine, I don't see it being any more effective than a bit of shaking. Shaking is free and never gets lost.

 

[kparisi]

First, steeping is not oxidizing. Oxidizing is airing-out or letting a juice Breathe. Breathe and Steep do two different things to juice and it is a shame that so many people lump them all as steeping and many newbies never get a chance to experience what their juice could taste like.

Next, both PG and VG are not real reactive things. If they were then Steeping and Breathe would be rather unnecessary.

Lastly, I tried it just to see. I put a splash of hydrogen peroxide 3% solution and a splash of 70/30 PG/VG into a cup. Nothing more than a thinning of the PG/VG happened. So feel free to try it in your house, there will not be any mess. I would not recommend vaping the finished product though.

With that said, I am encouraged that you think about things that are not commonly thought of. I'd bet you'd make a good mixer! How long before you join us?

This is true, breathing and steeping are two different things. I just thought that perhaps one would help the other. Then again, it could be damaging if oxidizing certain flavors does the opposite of wine, and diminishes taste/aroma.

Thank you for trying it out! I'm not sure I'd want to vape the finished product if the H2O2 was added after mixing, but if you combined two or more flavors and added H2O2 before mixing into your base PG/VG, it might help meld the flavors without the large amount of added water by-product of the H2O2.

How long before I join you in mixing or vaping?

 

[kparisi]

As Hoosier stated seeping and oxidation are different things. I always thought juice and nicotine should be kept in airtight containers to prevent the oxidation of nicotine and to preserve the flavors. This may not be practical for the juice bottle being used to refill cartos. For seeping and long term storage there should be as little air in the bottle possible.

I would add the nicotine after steeping since I have such a high concentration of unflavored nicotine PG (it won't add much to the mix, so the flavor concentrations wouldn't need to be adjusted) and avoid the possibility alltogether, but that's just my preference.

 

[kparisi]

It would be interesting just to know if that would even work correctly with the viscosity of juice?

I might just have to tinker with that and try the traditional aerator, but I don't think it would flow as freely as it should to be effective. If that doesn't work, then there's always the possibility of making one on a larger scale!

 

[chrisw21]

Off the top of my head, I'm don't think either of these would work, but I have them readily available at work so I figured I'd run it by the forum.... What about a vacuum pump out or running them through a cycle in the centrifuge?? With the vac, thinking maybe it would cause accelerated mixing by removing all air under vacuum, then rapidly aerating by releasing the vac???? Or the cent, I know they are used to separate fluids over long mixing cycles, but under short cycles they can mix and degas.... Hmmmm.... I might have some "special projects" to try tomorrow....

 

[Dunder Mifflin]

I keep wanting to use this to stir. It is an Aerolatte® Steam Free Milk Frother. What do you think?

 

[KC Jones]

Theres a juice seller claims to add oxygen extra fee think it was rxvapors in OH. Not sure how they do it? RX VAPERS

 

[kparisi]

What about a vacuum pump out or running them through a cycle in the centrifuge?? With the vac, thinking maybe it would cause accelerated mixing by removing all air under vacuum, then rapidly aerating by releasing the vac???? Or the cent, I know they are used to separate fluids over long mixing cycles, but under short cycles they can mix and degas.... Hmmmm.... I might have some "special projects" to try tomorrow....

Please report back when you give it a try! I wonder if the vac would make the base too dense, though. PG/VG isn't quite a versatile as water, but it is water based. Maybe the rapid release and/or using the cent could force the flavor molecules to merge, which is pretty much what happens when you steep. But... traditional steeping allows for certain notes to mute or enhance. I'm very curious to know how your project goes!

Edit: Check this out! I don't know how I missed it before, but your vacuum just might work! It might even work better if you used the vacuum in conjunction with the centrifuge... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eeping-times-ultrasonic-cleaner-part-iii.html

 

[kparisi]

I keep wanting to use this to stir. It is an Aerolatte® Steam Free Milk Frother. What do you think?

Does it heat milk while frothing, or is it strictly and aerator? If it heats, I wouldn't use that. You might end up evaporating your PG/VG, possibly burning the container (unless its glass), and even worse, burning yourself. But if it just aerates, I say give it a shot! Please let us know how it works if you try it!

 

[DeeDee1234]

I've been doing quite a bit of research on this forum on steeping methods since I'm such a newbie to vaping. I've also been searching for the best way to clean my clearos that cannot be disassembled.

Hydrogen peroxide (H2O2 in common household 3% concentration) breaks down to just plain water after being introduced to a catalyst, and reaction is complete (the bubbles stop). It then stabilizes, thus making H2O2 by itself safe to vape. However, I'm by no means suggesting that you do vape it.

I have used h2o2 to clean coils and vinegar as well. I think Vineger may have the edge imo

 

[FACE MEAT]

Theres a juice seller claims to add oxygen extra fee think it was rxvapors in OH. Not sure how they do it? RX VAPERS

They shake the bottle. Send me your e-liquid and I'll add oxygen for half the price of rxvapors.