Cherry? Chocolate? Change them or leave them?

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honkytonkmn

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Ok I like the cherry, but felt it could use a little more flavor. Although I didn't try the 24mg I might have to order 5 of those. As for the Chocolate and Coffee Please do not change! I have 4 flavors I work through Chocolate, Coffee, Vanilla and 555. These are my staples! With Chocolate becoming a quick 2nd behind 555.
 

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ok well i can see how all the flavors will have some fans but the apple is not as good as when it was fusion. The chocolate is week not bad but week and i have not tried the cherry but might now since everyone likes it that much. I would love to see more flavors of any kind i just like trying new things and it takes a bunch of differant juices not to get tired of them.
 

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Welll I think I will heed the popular wisdom and leave all the current flavors as they are, for better or worse. ;) Then make new names for the leaford-improved versions. :thumb:

I might even consider a whole new label and logo for new flavors to distinguish the from the Classic lineup. LiquidFusion for the current flavors, and Leaford Labs for my new creations? Maybe something that sounds a little quirkier, I dunno. I think I'd like to make my own line a little off beat, with experimental flavors as well as traditional ones. THe name and label would reflect that, whatever they are.

Anyway, I haven't thrown in my :2cents: on new flavors. The first order has been delayed again. Sorry about that. We've just finished shipping three big orders getting restocked, but our orders have been flat because of what we're still out of. We need to get some wind back in our sales before we can put it in.

But on the bright side that gives me more time to get feedback on what new flavors to order.

So let me semi-hijack this thread and try to guide you to focus on flavor ideas I might actually use rather than stream of consciousness lists. ;)

First, Diversify:

Ideally, and there's no promise things will turn out ideally, but ideally I would like to be able to add 5 new flavors at a time, with a sampler pack of all five.

If we assume that, I would use the pattern of ordering one new tobacco flavor, one new menthol flavor, one new fruit flavor, one new candy or beverage flavor, and one wild card flavor that is more exotic, or experimental.

So this time for example I was planning a Wowboy version for the tobacco flavor, 555 Menthol for a new brand of menthol, maybe Mint Chocolate for the candy flavor, the fruit flavor might have been Strawberry or a more exotic fruit, like Ube (aka purple yam, a sweet, berryish flavor) Or maybe Ube is a bit too exotic in a traditional category, and should be the wild card. Another wild card idea might be Watermelon Mint.

SO basically what I'm saying is, you guys are giving me all wild card flavors. I need suggestions for the traditional flavor categories, too, and I need to develop those categories more than I need to develop new wild and exotic flavors. So balance your suggestions a bit more.

Secondly, KISS:

The more complicated the flavor, the more different flavor elements it contains, the harder it will be to get them right. Keep It Simple, Silly. Combination flavors for example shouldn't have more than two or three elements, and those elements should not themselves be new flavors.

Third, it's better to show than tell:

Always remember that these flavors are being mixed by highly educated and trained flavor professionals. Seriously, respect to them. They even teach university courses in this stuff. But most of them have never been outside China in their lives. And so for many, many items on your lists they would be trying to reproduce a flavor they have never even heard of before in their lives, let alone tasted.

I've managed to do it a few times. Even pulled off a couple that I myself had never tasted before from descriptions and recipies. But OTOH, it can go horribly, horribly wrong. Remind me to re-tell the story of how Key lime Pie turned into Broad Bean Sauce. ;) The very best policy is to stick to flavors where I can provide them with a sample to match. Which can be difficult, given local unavailability.

Fourth, And you think we could sell HOW many Garlic cartos?

There's always a flood of savory flavor suggestions, spicy flavors, odball combinations, etc. That's actually OK, besides just being fun, that's what the wild card category is for. But the goal is always to find a flavor that will graduate to the main flavor list, and continue to sell as a regular flavor. Something that people would use and order regularly, not be a niche or novelty flavor, or worse not sell and therefore not be reordered at all.

So even the experimental flavors need to have a realistic chance of succeeding at selling at least as well as our current flavors. Think mass market, not something you would love but you know, really, no one else would.

Lastly, Won't anyone remember the Childrunss??

Pleasse remember that the FDA battle has shifted, not been won. And there are still many other threats in state and local governments. I'm not in favor of protecting children by depriving adults, but bearing in mind that the "protect the children" argument will be used against us, there's no good sense in adding to the anti's ammo by carrying flavors that have childish connotations. Bubblegum or cotton candy, for example. That doesn't mean all candy is off limits, of course. We've got chocolate and mint, and we'll get more candy flavors. Just not ones that automatically make you think the words "enticement to minors."
 

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A cooler icy Menthol, Mango-fruit, Hawaiian Fruit Punch-drink, Peach Nehi-drink, Banana Split, Caramel granny smith apple, Lemonade (could be lemon or a citrus blend w/icy menthol to feel cool and refreshing) and the watermellon is good but it is a tad too weak it could use a bit more stonger flavor IMHO but maybe it is just missing some salt. LOL
 
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starsong

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There are many flavors that are wonderful as food or drink, but wouldn't be very good to smoke/vape. Some might be fun to try once, but can you picture yourself buying 20 cartos of it?

Turtle could work, as it's a combo of already popular solo flavors. Pomegranate I would try, but might be too weak. I've tried some of the 'fun' flavors from the other place (such as caramel apple, waffle, etc), but they all sounded better than they tasted as something to vape.

But my preference is for tobacco or tobacco based with light flavoring, otherwise it would just be a novelty to try one carto and never buy again.

the opinions expressed above are solely those of the poster and are not endorsed by Bloog or ECF.
 

popeye79

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But on the bright side that gives me more time to get feedback on what new flavors to order.

First.. THANKYOU for making a wowboy clone a priority.

Second, I would recomend an English Toffe/Heath bar flavor.

Lots of people like that. But you've gotta do it right. V4L's is not all that great. My favorite so far has come from FreedomSmokeUSA (HopScotch).. FreedomSmokeUSA

If you could duplicate that, I'd buy it from now until the end of time. :)
 

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First.. THANKYOU for making a wowboy clone a priority.

Second, I would recomend an English Toffe/Heath bar flavor.

Lots of people like that. But you've gotta do it right. V4L's is not all that great. My favorite so far has come from FreedomSmokeUSA (HopScotch).. FreedomSmokeUSA

If you could duplicate that, I'd buy it from now until the end of time. :)

Leaford, you had way too many mint in that list. We need something like a Toffee or caramel.
 

maggiek

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I agree that both the chocolate and coffee are weak. These are my two favorite flavors to vape, so new flavor suggestion espresso or cappuccino or if you want to go wild - chocolate espresso. I know juice makers say chocolate is one of the most difficult flavors to get right. Chocolate strawberry perhaps?
As for chocolate mint - I've tried bunches from different vendors and find them all unvapable. Please do NOT add mint to chocolate. Sounds good, but it just doesn't work.

Blueberry would be nice!
 
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