Chicago decided to ban E-Cigs now

[gzin44]

I am not sure why people ban stuff before they do any research. It is disturbing to me that our government is so worthless and cant even get an extension on unemployment on the federal level but a city can decide to ban something that helps people in such a short time.

City Council passes tougher e-cigarette regulations | abc7chicago.com

 

[Jarbs]

that's right, nonsensical leaps in logic like:
"E-cigarettes normalize smoking & It's cool to smoke again. That's the wrong message&.Maybe [kids] think, `Hey, I'm impervious. I can smoke an e-cigarette and, the next thing we know, they're smoking a real cigarette," Burns said.
make far more sense than those quoted in the article discussing on how an e-cigarette got them off of cigarettes.

 

[Buggainok]

I agree. It makes no logical sense at all. Our Governor recently banned e cigarettes on all state owned property. There is apparently great public support for this in Oklahoma. They interviewed some folks on the street and one lady actually said: "I'm glad they banned it, because it looks like smoking to me."

 

[Jarbs]

I agree. It makes no logical sense at all. Our Governor recently banned e cigarettes on all state owned property. There is apparently great public support for this in Oklahoma. They interviewed some folks on the street and one lady actually said: "I'm glad they banned it, because it looks like smoking to me."

and coughing into a closed fist looks like giving a (sexual act). since that's banned in public, ban coughing into your hand too since they look the same. also, ban holding pretzel rods like a cigar while you're at it too. people who support behavior policing make me sad.

 

[tnash]

Yes, to the general public it looks like smoking so therefore it is the same. Very superficial.

 

[Schwiggiddy]

I guess it's times like this that I'm glad I live in a place that has a high density of smokers. People generally think my PV is pretty cool and are interested in how it works. Most vapers I have talked to have never been confronted when vaping in public. Except Starbucks of course, but they are partly-owned by BT so yeah....

Ignorance fear and/or money are the reasons vaping gets these indoor (and sometimes outside) bans. The worst part of it has to be standing outside with the smokers, inhaling that second-hand smoke and smelling that horrible smell. You probably even smell like you just smoked after standing out with them.

 

[gzin44]

I cant stand with the smokers. It makes me ill now to smell it. I can't get the smell out of my sinus for hours unless I use a netti pot lol.

 

[Buggainok]

I guess it's times like this that I'm glad I live in a place that has a high density of smokers. People generally think my PV is pretty cool and are interested in how it works. Most vapers I have talked to have never been confronted when vaping in public. Except Starbucks of course, but they are partly-owned by BT so yeah....

Ignorance fear and/or money are the reasons vaping gets these indoor (and sometimes outside) bans. The worst part of it has to be standing outside with the smokers, inhaling that second-hand smoke and smelling that horrible smell. You probably even smell like you just smoked after standing out with them.

Also, another crazy thing about the attitudes in Oklahoma. On the last Gallup poll, the top 3 "smoking" states were Kentucky, 29%, Missouri 26%, and Oklahoma 26%. We have tons and tons of smokers here. They are treated like second class citizens, but the state loves the taxes they pay.

 

[Tmartin63]

The very idea that using a PV is the gateway to regular cigs is pure lunacy. We have got to stand firm, fight for our rights and tell our stories.

 

[Gato del Jugo]

Lump it in with real tobacco..

Then tax it like real tobacco


That's every government's goal...

 

[Rosenec]

that's right, nonsensical leaps in logic like:
"E-cigarettes normalize smoking & It's cool to smoke again. That's the wrong message&.Maybe [kids] think, `Hey, I'm impervious. I can smoke an e-cigarette and, the next thing we know, they're smoking a real cigarette," Burns said.
make far more sense than those quoted in the article discussing on how an e-cigarette got them off of cigarettes.

With that logic, smoking should be banded everywhere because it looks like smoking every other illegal substance.

 

[GoodNews!]

To be completely honest, do these laws specifically apply to any certain brands, nicotine levels, device appearances, or flavors of juices? If not, you can claim your device is a medical inhaler, and there ain't jack crap anyone can do - they try to do something, file a lawsuit.

The term "e-cigs" only goes as far as a brand allows it to go. People use inhalers all the time. People vaporize (OTHER STUFF) and who knows what. To ban an e-cig from any location, you'd have to ban the "appearance of vapor", and to do that, you'd have to ban cigarettes, because the smoke looks like vapor.

Lawsuits are generally the best way to get stuff done. Politicians listen to loss of money way more than they do petitions. If your state bans the sale of the "appearance of vapor", I encourage anyone to file a lawsuit against every smoker you see, or whichever authority person allows smoking in their presence, and make a lot of cash doing it. Smoke looks like vapor. There's no scientific way around it.

And for the areas that don't specifically ban the "appearance of vapor", then please, shops, customers, get some balls. Don't label anything as a "e-cigarette". There are stores in my town that sell (OTHER STUFF) by simply "re-labeling." All it takes is balls. If the cops can't find the term "e-cig" on the device, they can't do nothing at all. To do so, they'd have to ban vaporizer machines.

And I highly doubt they've done so. Vaporizor machines have way more purpose than vaping; they'd have to ban Vicks machines. If your town bans e-cigs, sue every Walgreens and Walmart in town for selling a Vicks machine. It's an e-cig.

 

[Diogenes]

To be completely honest, do these laws specifically apply to any certain brands, nicotine levels, device appearances, or flavors of juices? If not, you can claim your device is a medical inhaler, and there ain't jack crap anyone can do - they try to do something, file a lawsuit.

Good News, this is a formal request to cease and desist dispensing legal advice.

If we claim our PV's are "medical inhalers" the FDA can and will get involved in regulating them. I believe they have already tried going this route before, and a court ruling shot them down. Let's not give them any more ammo, shall we?

The term "e-cigs" only goes as far as a brand allows it to go. People use inhalers all the time. People vaporize (OTHER STUFF) and who knows what. To ban an e-cig from any location, you'd have to ban the "appearance of vapor", and to do that, you'd have to ban cigarettes, because the smoke looks like vapor.

Ban the appearance of vapor? Would this apply to fog as well, as fog is technically a cloud, which is vapor. Who would the police ticket or arrest, Mother Nature? Maybe God?

They don't need to ban the "appearance of vapor," they just ban the activity that creates the vapor.

Lawsuits are generally the best way to get stuff done. Politicians listen to loss of money way more than they do petitions. If your state bans the sale of the "appearance of vapor", I encourage anyone to file a lawsuit against every smoker you see, or whichever authority person allows smoking in their presence, and make a lot of cash doing it. Smoke looks like vapor. There's no scientific way around it.

Sue every smoker we see? So if I saw you on the street smoking, can I sue you? And if I'm smoking as well, are you going to file a counter-claim?

And for the areas that don't specifically ban the "appearance of vapor", then please, shops, customers, get some balls. Don't label anything as a "e-cigarette". There are stores in my town that sell (OTHER STUFF) by simply "re-labeling." All it takes is balls. If the cops can't find the term "e-cig" on the device, they can't do nothing at all. To do so, they'd have to ban vaporizer machines.

Do you know for a fact that these stores are relabeling illegal good? If so, have you contacted your local police department in regards to this?

The cops don't need to see the label "ecig" on our PV in order to enforce the bans. Take a look at your new MVP, does it have anything that that says "ecig?" Laws are crafted spelling out exactly what they need them to do. They simply don't say, "Ecigs are banned." It spells out the activity, not just the common name of the item or act.

And I highly doubt they've done so. Vaporizor machines have way more purpose than vaping; they'd have to ban Vicks machines. If your town bans e-cigs, sue every Walgreens and Walmart in town for selling a Vicks machine. It's an e-cig.

I would love to see you do this. Seriously, this is exactly why you need to cease and desist dispensing legal advice. Take the time to read the actual law, not just the news article, and then post. By shooting from the hip, you are spreading misinformation. Someone gullible may actually do what you recommend, and end up worse for wear because of it. And that, sir, will be on you.

 

[StevenServo]

Lump it in with real tobacco..

Then tax it like real tobacco


That's every government's goal...

You are right... THey see now its not just a fad or trend its around to stay so they want there cut

 

[GoodNews!]

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I've read the laws and all they usually says is "e-cigs". The laws are quite simple, surprisingly. If they do go as far as saying "a vapor producing machine", then again, they'd have to apply this to Vicks vaporizors, because they do produce a vapor that someone can inhale.

And yes, if my state bans e-cigs or something, I'll be the first to sue the state for authorities conducting racial discrimination by allowing people of races other than mine to vape Vicks machines and not me. They sell portable H20 vaporizors at Walgreens, little enough to fit in the palm of your hand, and those are, by any law that could possibly begin to regulate e-cigs, as e-cigs.

I mean, I don't see anyone else doing anything about the bans. If ya'll want the country to ban e-cigs, fine with me, but ya'll know I have the personality to fight it if it were to apply to me.

 

[Visus]

They made it so cloud makers don't offend others in public places.

Vapor from e cigs is much heavier and stays around a long time, its dissipation is not like an analog.

I agree with the laws. Just check out a vape fest, the whole room is heavy with vapor..

So many douches out there who will not stealth vape, I have seen it myself in a store and thought, "you douche.."

No big deal for those who do know how to stealth bathroom vape lol...
In about 4 months Im buying the biggest bag of medical ........ and smoking it.
No meds are as acute in helping ease my back pain and sleep deprivation.
woot
Finally Chicago hit a ball, no homer but woot ..

 

[Funk Dracula]

I mean, I don't see anyone else doing anything about the bans. If ya'll want the country to ban e-cigs, fine with me, but ya'll know I have the personality to fight it if it were to apply to me.

Stop your megalomaniacal trolling.

There are people fighting, people donating massive amounts of time, without pay, for vapers rights. There are vendors, and organizations, who are doing their best to fund legal action and hire the lobbyists and representation that the vaping industry doesn't have.

You know nothing of the law. Have you ever been involved in a lawsuit? This isn't small claims court and Judge Judy, buddy. It'll cost you $10,000 in deposition transcripts alone if you want to file a lawsuit yourself. Have at it Good News, have at it. Clearly people have not organized and gone through this before. Of course you will revolutionize things and do it for the first time... of course you will....

You can continue to defy science and facts, and continue to spread mis-information across this board regarding the "metal ions" in your coil, the "shorting" of your device, the "acidity" of your damn orange juice all you want. Fine. But you stop your damn fingers from typing and making a mockery of this subject, right now.

What's at the top of every index page in this forum? Are you literate? Look up there, buddy.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...op-fda-giving-e-cig-industry-big-tobacco.html

What's been posted everyday, a selfless and comprehensive volunteered effort by thew92 every single day? It's the Daily Action Plan.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...pe-daily-action-plan-thursday-01-16-14-a.html

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I'll be the first to sue the state for authorities conducting racial discrimination by allowing people of races other than mine to vape Vicks machines and not me.

And with that, you have left me speechless.

 

[Diogenes]

Yeah, and black people were worse for wear when they fought for equality, but it takes a fight.

I've read the laws and all they usually says is "e-cigs". The laws are quite simple, surprisingly. If they do go as far as saying "a vapor producing machine", then again, they'd have to apply this to Vicks vaporizors, because they do produce a vapor that someone can inhale.

And yes, if my state bans e-cigs or something, I'll be the first to sue the state for authorities conducting racial discrimination by allowing people of races other than mine to vape Vicks machines and not me. They sell portable H20 vaporizors at Walgreens, little enough to fit in the palm of your hand, and those are, by any law that could possibly begin to regulate e-cigs, as e-cigs.

I mean, I don't see anyone else doing anything about the bans. If ya'll want the country to ban e-cigs, fine with me, but ya'll know I have the personality to fight it if it were to apply to me.

Oh. My. God.

Are you comparing the Civil Rights struggle to that of vaping? You are honestly out of your mind. When I read that, I wanted to respond right away, but being on a Blackberry at work, it was hard to do the research I needed to answer, and frankly attack, your post. While I am not African American, I am offended nonetheless.

We, as vapers, are nowhere near being discriminated against like African Americans during the Civil Rights Movement.

After 1890 the system of Jim Crow, disenfranchisement, and second class citizenship degraded the citizenship rights of African Americans, especially in the South. It was the nadir of American race relations. There were three main aspects: racial segregation – upheld by the United States Supreme Court decision in Plessy v. Ferguson in 1896 –, legally mandated by southern governments—voter suppression or disfranchisement in the southern states, and private acts of violence and mass racial violence aimed at African Americans, unhindered or encouraged by government authorities.

The government isn't advocating violence against us. They are not suppressing our right to vote. And while it could possibly be argued that they are trying to segregate us from non-vapers and non-smokers, we do not face the same segregation that African Americans have faced. We are not being forced to use the "Colored" water fountain instead of the "Whites Only" fountain. We are not being forced to go in the back door of an establishment, simply because only Whites could enter through the front door.

I'm going to stop there, because if I go any further, I will most likely get banned. Moving on....

Sir, I can prove you have not read the various laws in their entirety. It is true that in the beginning of the statues, it does simply say "Electronic Cigarette," "E-Cigarette," or even "Ecig." As you get further into the bill, however, it does clarify things. This is a quote from a statue in Illinois that just went into effect Jan 1.

22 "Electronic cigarette" or "e-cigarette" means a
23 battery-operated device that contains cartridges filled
24 with a combination of nicotine, flavor, and chemicals that
25 are turned into vapor which is inhaled by the user.

You can see that it doesn't matter what is printed on the side of your ecig, PV, binkie, or whatever you choose to call your Personal Enhanced Nicotine Inhalation System, it's clearly spelled out in the definition of what "Electronic Cigarette" or "e-cigarette" means.

With that description, it is inconceivable that one would even lump a humidifier or a Vicks Vaporizer into the category of ecig. It's abundantly clear that those items, or any other items you may have mentioned, or will ever mention in the future, will not be regulated like ecigs.

Now, with your claim of suing for racial discrimination because other races are being allowed to use Vicks Vaporizers or humidifiers other than your race, I'm simply blown away. I assume you're Caucasian, right? You would need to prove that all Caucasians are being discriminated against, and that all non-Caucasians are being allowed to use said devices. I'm not going to quote this, I'll just provide the link, Civil Rights Act of 1964.

 

[Equality 7-2521]

Infreakingcredible.........The entire city can go up in flames for all I care.....bankrupt.....infastructure gone due to the fact anyone who actually works left the place and took their money with them......murder capital of the country.....without question the most politically coruupt city goverments in the history of the nation for nearly a century, and there problem is.......they take time from their struggle to save the good ship chicago so they can.........they pause from picking up bodies in the street in order to........ban something that is helping people get off smoking.....Yeah,Chicago you need a hand go screw yourself.


oh and by the way just so you folks in chicago feel I'm being hard on ya.....i feel the same way about the state I live in.

 

[bluecat]

Not getting into the most politically corrupt city or my feeling on Emmanuel which is very hard to eliminate from the equation.

The good I saw in the article

" Ald. Rey Colon (35th) said he's trying to kick a nicotine habit he's had since 8th grade.

"I bought an e-cigarette on Nov. 2 and I have not smoked since. I put my four packs of Camel in my humidor, and there they sat. For me, it's worked as a harm-reduction device," he said. "

Like I said before any politician who "does it for the children" is a load of horse crap.

I wonder how many children are trying alcohol? I wonder how many children are experimenting with any number of things.

Ecig as a gateway to smokes is pure bs. Come talk to my teenage daughter and see what the kids say about ecigs. The ones that have tried use them once. Never use them again. Kids do not think they are cool. They think they are funny.

Now.. It is not a ban on ecigs. It is a ban on the indoor use in public places. The two are very different things.