Chicago Vapebash and Chicago Vapefest

[6pointprime]

There are two major meets scheduled for the same weekend in Chicago this coming March - Vapebash and Vapefest. Information can be found at http://www.vapebash.com and Chicago Vapefest 2012!

Tonight on Click, Bang! Ed and Scott from WCV will be my guests to talk about Chicago Vapebash and why they decided to schedule it on the same weekend as Chicago Vapefest.

The call in number for questions and comments is 347-308-8329

Questions and comments may also be submitted to clickbangradio@gmail.com

 

[Bill Godshall]

This is selfish childish behavior.

Trying to destroy e-cigarette organizing, research and advocacy efforts only benefits the e-cigarette prohibitioinists.

 

[6pointprime]

This is selfish childish behavior.

Trying to destroy e-cigarette organizing, research and advocacy efforts only benefits the e-cigarette prohibitioinists.

Hi Bill. Do you think that you need to know the motives of the organizers in order to make that statement?

 

[Bill Godshall]

No. The motivations and actions by certain e-cigarette consumers and vendors against other e-cigarette consumers and vendors has been deplorable and detrimental for the e-cigarette community.

Reminds me of the movie Lord of the Flies.

We all need to work together to preserve legal and affordable access to e-cigarettes, and to preserve the legal ability to use e-cigarettes.

 

[6pointprime]

Hi Bill. Do you think that you need to know the motives of the organizers in order to make that statement?

No.

You are wrong. Knowing the motive is essential to concluding whether the action is virtuous or wicked.

We all need to work together to preserve legal and affordable access to e-cigarettes, and to preserve the legal ability to use e-cigarettes.

Agreed. We need to work together. So I assume you will be contacting David Goerlitz - he mentioned he would be open to helping fight for the e-cigarette legal cause.

No, of course you won't, because you are suspicious of his motive based on his past behavior.

Bill, when you (erroneously) state that motive is irrelevant and then (properly) use motive as a reason to justify your own actions, you demonstrate your lack of knowledge on this subject as evidenced by your willingness to put on blinders en lieu of actually gathering all of the required information necessary to come to a valid conclusion.

Bill, you're a rockstar because of what you do for this community, but your willingness to cast aside logic and facts to come to a foregone conclusion is disappointing.

 

[yvilla]

Your logic doesn't follow 6point. David Goerlitz is neither an e-cig consumer nor vendor, afaik. So whether Bill sees him as an asset to the cause or is willing to work with him, or not, has no relevance to the point he made - which is the need for the e-cig community, consumers and vendors, "to work together to preserve legal and affordable access to e-cigarettes, and to preserve the legal ability to use e-cigarettes".

 

[6pointprime]

Your logic doesn't follow 6point. David Goerlitz is neither an e-cig consumer nor vendor, afaik.

Neither is Bill.

 

[yvilla]

Duh. That does not detract one iota from his observations: "Trying to destroy e-cigarette organizing, research and advocacy efforts only benefits the e-cigarette prohibitioinists". And, we, the ecig community, "need to work together".

And are you aware of ANY other individual who is neither a consumer nor vendor who has done more for our community? Acting solely out of unselfish, disinterested concern for the lives and health of others? Nope.

 

[6pointprime]

Duh.

Duh? I don't think so. You brought up this point. It is a fact that is irrelevant to this conversation. QED. Or rather, duh.

That does not detract one iota from his observations: "Trying to destroy e-cigarette organizing, research and advocacy efforts only benefits the e-cigarette prohibitioinists". And, we, the ecig community, "need to work together".

Yolanda, this is a question of virtue or vice based on a good or bad motive. I demonstrated that Bill chose to use motive to come to one conclusion, and rejected considering motive when reaching another. This is his error. Your comments neither strengthen nor weaken the degree or kind of error that he made.

And are you aware of ANY other individual who is neither a consumer nor vendor who has done more for our community? Acting solely out of unselfish, disinterested concern for the lives and health of others? Nope.

I thanked him for that in my post, as I have in the past in person. Is there something else that I need to do to show my appreciation to Bill? You seem to be suggesting that by questioning his logic I am somehow not grateful for his efforts...otherwise, why bring it up after I specifically showed how appreciative I was for what he does?

The problem here is not my logic, but rather your poor reading comprehension.

 

[yvilla]

No you're not getting it. One final try - and if you don't get it I'm done with this.

The point Bill was making was that the ecig community - comprised of consumers and vendors - needs to stop this destructive and internecine war. He doesn't need to be a consumer or vendor himself to be able to make that observation. And your throwing Goerlitz in there, something having no relevance at all to the point being made, was simply obfuscation.

Want to talk about motives? I have no personal connection to this at all any more - I left precisely because I was so disgusted by the divisivness and ugliness of the whole war - but here is what someone else had to say on another forum about the motives in play here:

"Its funny...in the other thread, someone from your group was saying how nice you people are and how your group makes people feel welcomed and a part of a family....

But all I see are allies in misplaced aggression war waged in an effort to split the community and an attempt to ruin a fun event for not just one person...but for everyone who wants to attend vapefest...

Does that make you happy? Is that what your vape group is all about? Selling your soul because of someone's personal anger and drive to destroy one woman??

Suddenly, chicago doesn't feel very friendly...and your group doesn't seem very nice....

Have fun at your event and enjoy all the blood money that comes with it..."

I'm sure others might dispute that, or lay claim to other motives, but the very fact that a vaper can have that perception of the motivation for scheduling a competing event for the same weekend shows us all how destructive and damaging this state of affairs is.

 

[6pointprime]

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[mwa102464]

I think someone needs to know where the money went from a certain person that started a bogus study and be enlighten some here. I would only give or Donate my $ to CASSA, and never give to this other organization or support anything they do what so ever,only Cassa. Tune in and you will know more is all I have to say about this.

 

[Brutus Buckeye]

Looking forward to the show. I am completely unaware of all of this division so maybe I can get informed. I don't know all the issues involved so maybe this will be an eye opener for me and others.

 

[Brutus Buckeye]

Thank you Russ for an enlightening show. I couldn't stay for all, but heard and saw all I needed.

 

[6pointprime]

Thank you Russ for an enlightening show. I couldn't stay for all, but heard and saw all I needed.

Thanks Brutus. If anyone missed the show, you can catch the replay by either streaming or downloading the show.

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[AlmightyGod]

This is selfish childish behavior.

Trying to destroy e-cigarette organizing, research and advocacy efforts only benefits the e-cigarette prohibitioinists.

This is how a lot of people feel.

 

[Foggy]

I ran across the information for Vapefest in the last week or so. Its the first show that's been near enough, (7 hour drive or so?), so I made reservations. I have no clue what's going on with these two groups and not enough time to listen to a podcast to find out. Can someone fill me in? After reading a thread one another board, (unrelated to Vapefest - but the board is advertising the event), I already had reservations. Maybe it would be best to just stay home?

 

[6pointprime]

I ran across the information for Vapefest in the last week or so. Its the first show that's been near enough, (7 hour drive or so?), so I made reservations. I have no clue what's going on with these two groups and not enough time to listen to a podcast to find out. Can someone fill me in? After reading a thread one another board, (unrelated to Vapefest - but the board is advertising the event), I already had reservations. Maybe it would be best to just stay home?

I'll try to fill you in as quick as I can...

There are two meetups during the weekend beginning on Friday March 30th - one is called Vapebash, the other is called Vapefest. Main and http://www.vapefest.com

Vapefest has an entry fee to attend the event. Vapebash is free. Hotel rooms are also slightly less expensive at Vapebash.

The reason Vapefest has an entry fee is because it is a fundraiser for the National Vapers Club, and a study they are trying to do called IVAQS.

Many people support the NVC - and many others condemn it. My own two cents: I would not give a penny to NVC ever again. I will be attending Vapebash and making a contribution to CASAA as I feel that is a better way to support the fight to keep vaping legal.

This is the point at which brevity is no longer an option. You would have to do some research (or listen to the podcast) and form an opinion from there. I can assure you that listening to the podcast would take less time than sorting through months of forum posts.

What it comes down to is this: if you think supporting the NVC is good, go to Vapefest and give them money. If you think NVC is bad, don't go there and don't give them your money.

If you don't care about any of this stuff, well, pick one or pick both. Vapebash is free, Vapefest is not, and they are close enough that you can easily go to both.

The only option that I would say would be a bad idea no matter what is to not be in Chicago that weekend.

Again, I'm trying to be brief, but more research is probably the best way for you to figure out if you want to donate to the NVC or not.

-Russ

 

[yvilla]

Foggy, since IVAQS was mentioned above, I thought I'd give you the link to the page explaining the study: IVAQS Project

 

[Brutus Buckeye]

Russ, I think that was a very diplomatic answer on your part.