Child tobacco pickers get sick- Fox News

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I know that it isn't about e-cigs, but I thought that this was an interesting article.

Report: Child Tobacco Pickers Suck in Two Packs a Day -- Through Their Skin - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News - FOXNews.com

BLANTYRE, Malawi — Children picking tobacco in the fields of Malawi for consumers far beyond the African country's borders are being poisoned as they absorb up to two cigarette packs' worth of nicotine each day, a children's rights organization said Monday.

The "extremely high levels of nicotine poisoning" produces not only nausea, headaches, dizziness, difficulty in breathing and other symptoms but "long-lasting changes in brain structure and function," London-based Plan International said in a report.


It noted that large-tobacco production has shifted from the United States to developing countries like Malawi, where "children are being exposed to exploitative and hazardous working conditions."


More than 78,000 children, some as young as 5, work on tobacco estates across the southern African country, some up to 12 hours a day for less than 1.7 cents an hour and without protective clothing, the report asserted.


Entitled "Hard work, long hours and little pay," the report said workers absorb up to 54 milligrams a day of dissolved nicotine through their skin. The report initially said that is equivalent to 32 cigarettes but Plan International revised it to 50.


"Sometimes it feels like you don't have enough breath, you don't have enough oxygen," an unnamed child tobacco worker in Kasungu, in central Malawi, told Plan International's investigators. "You reach a point where you cannot breathe because of the pain in your chest. Then the blood comes when you vomit. At the end ... you remain with a headache."



The symptoms resemble "green tobacco sickness," said MacDonald Mumba, a Plan International official in Malawi. The malady comes from absorbing nicotine from the skin, particularly from wet tobacco.


Mumba said the children had not been subjected to medical tests for the report. Some symptoms among the child laborers may have been caused by exposure to pesticides, highlighting another hazard they face. Children interviewed for the report described sprinkling pesticide onto plants using cups and their bare hands.


The world's giant tobacco companies said they reject use of child labor, but the reality is that Malawians are so poor that many families send their children to work in the fields.


Philip Morris International, one of the largest tobacco companies in the world, said it purchases tobacco from suppliers in Malawi but does not own farms there.


Anne Edwards, spokeswoman for the company, said it "strongly opposes" child labor and requires tobacco suppliers to promise not to employ anyone younger than 15 or "the applicable minimum employment age or mandatory schooling age, whichever is higher."


British American Tobacco, which buys about 5 percent of Malawi's annual tobacco crop, said it does not directly employ children and opposes child labor. However, the company said it does not supervise the farms, instead purchasing tobacco through three third-party suppliers.


"We would like to talk to Plan International about their findings and will examine their report with our local suppliers," the company said in a statement.


Mumba said Plan International is not calling for a ban on children in the tobacco industry, explaining that the goal is unrealistic in a country where poverty forces children to work. But it wants employers to provide protective clothing and other gear for the children to reduce exposure to nicotine.


The report also said supervisors on the tobacco farms sometimes hit and otherwise abuse the children
Responding to that finding, Malawian Labor Minister Yunus Mussa told The Associated Press the government is reviewing the country's work laws, which he acknowledged do not provide stiff enough penalties to those who abuse children.


Tobacco is an important cash crop in Malawi, generating 75 percent of foreign exchange income. More than 80 percent of Malawians are directly or indirectly employed by the tobacco industry, which contributes up to 30 percent of the country's Gross Domestic Product.
 

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Entitled "Hard work, long hours and little pay," the report said workers absorb up to 54 milligrams a day of dissolved nicotine through their skin. The report initially said that is equivalent to 32 cigarettes but Plan International revised it to 50.

For the last 2 years, before e-cig use, I made my own cigarettes. I physically handled every bit of tobacco that made up my cigarettes and then I smoked them. I wonder how much nicotine I was getting? I smoked 3 packs per day.

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Yeah, funny Philip Morris thinks that not owning farms there alleviates them from the burden of responsibility of "funding the slave machine" by just buying the tobacco from them.

Says a lot about their integrity. I feel like an ... for funding their efforts for so many years. No more.
 

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This ought to stand out the most:

"Tobacco is an important cash crop in Malawi, generating 75 percent of foreign exchange income. More than 80 percent of Malawians are directly or indirectly employed by the tobacco industry..."

EDIT: Actually the whole thing did stand out. And the argument here is that these children would die from starvation without the money generated from this. My counter-argument would be .... how about real farms and not tobacco and everyone gets food without having children or adults getting sick? Lol
 
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Mumba said Plan International is not calling for a ban on children in the tobacco industry, explaining that the goal is unrealistic in a country where poverty forces children to work. But it wants employers to provide protective clothing and other gear for the children to reduce exposure to nicotine.

Best part of the whole article. It's terrible, but we cannot apply our own standards to areas where people live entirely different lives than we do. The paradox is that industrialization and economic prosperity created this situation where young children care for their families. Take a look at the history of the textile industry for other examples.
Bravo to this group for encouraging safety measures while still allowing the children to work.
 

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Best part of the whole article. It's terrible, but we cannot apply our own standards to areas where people live entirely different lives than we do. The paradox is that industrialization and economic prosperity created this situation where young children care for their families. Take a look at the history of the textile industry for other examples.
Bravo to this group for encouraging safety measures while still allowing the children to work.

Well said!

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Look at the terminology in these passages:

"The symptoms resemble "green tobacco sickness," said MacDonald Mumba, a Plan International official in Malawi. The malady comes from absorbing nicotine from the skin, particularly from wet tobacco."

"Mumba said the children had not been subjected to medical tests for the report. Some symptoms among the child laborers may have been caused by exposure to pesticides, highlighting another hazard they face. Children interviewed for the report described sprinkling pesticide onto plants using cups and their bare hands."

My Remarks: This is a version of the "for the children" argument. The children were not "tested" and their symptoms "resemble" an illness. Does the spin sound familiar?

Further, industrialized nations versus non-industrialized nations have different cultures and our culture just happens to protect children. UNLESS...those children work in entertainment venues...and family owned farms...and dairies...and horse farms...and on and on. Children as young as 11 can and do drive tractors. Some children support their parents and once they reach 18 find they have no money left from all their earnings. We do grow some tobacco in the States on family farms...I wonder if the children are exposed?

Perhaps we can diagnose these poor farmers children via symptoms that resemble an illness with no medical test to prove the diagnosis was the correct one....nah...wouldn't fly here in the States.8-o:D;)
 
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Never heard of it.... I usta crop tobacco every summer in South Georgia from 10 ~ 15 years old (got a job bagging groceries @ 16). This sounds like a bunch of BS to me. I never got sick nor did I see anyone else get sick while cropping tobacco. Even remember having tar build up on my arms, neck and ears up to 1/8" thick. Would have to take two baths to get it all off. When it was especially dry the dirt would build up inside your nose and you couldn't breathe, but blowing your nose took care of that.

Protective clothing? Usual attire consisted of a pair of Levis & a ball cap...LOL

Sorry but I don't believe a word of it......

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Never heard of it.... I usta crop tobacco every summer in South Georgia from 10 ~ 15 years old (got a job bagging groceries @ 16). This sounds like a bunch of BS to me. I never got sick nor did I see anyone else get sick while cropping tobacco. Even remember having tar build up on my arms, neck and ears up to 1/8" thick. Would have to take two baths to get it all off. When it was especially dry the dirt would build up inside your nose and you couldn't breathe, but blowing your nose took care of that.

Protective clothing? Usual attire consisted of a pair of Levis & a ball cap...LOL

Sorry but I don't believe a word of it......

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Really? Do we have to jump to "this is BS"? The kids are working, making money (not a lot by our standards, but there it must be enough); what's wrong with giving them a pair of gloves and a long sleeve shirt? Hell, even if they have to pay for it out of their wages, it's not that big a deal. If it's that major an issue, I volunteer to buy a pair of gloves and a long sleeve tee and send it on down to one lucky kid. Someone want to give me an address to send it to? Anyone else want to ante up?
 

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Can confirm green tobacco sickness is real. When I was a kid I was riding a 3 wheeler and cut across a tobacco field. I was wearing shorts and no shirt, prime 3 wheeler attire, I know. ;) Anyway, after a few seconds of tobacco leaves slapping against bare flesh, I got sick enough to where I got dizzy and fell off the 3 wheeler. Hurled pretty violently and passed out. Woke up and had a massive headache for the rest of the day and was very hard to get a full breath it seemed. Never took that shortcut again!
 

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Really? Do we have to jump to "this is BS"? The kids are working, making money (not a lot by our standards, but there it must be enough); what's wrong with giving them a pair of gloves and a long sleeve shirt? Hell, even if they have to pay for it out of their wages, it's not that big a deal. If it's that major an issue, I volunteer to buy a pair of gloves and a long sleeve tee and send it on down to one lucky kid. Someone want to give me an address to send it to? Anyone else want to ante up?

I respectfully submit that you may have missed the point. All pickers should have gloves and possibly long sleeve shirts to protect their arms even the children in our own country who pick our crops. Stic9 actually picked the stuff so he has experience with the crop and his picking peers.

I admit freely that I've been hardened to "the children" argument when it is paired with anything tobacco...or e-cigs for that matter. It is another ploy to demonize tobacco companies who make no employment standards in other countries...they merely buy what they grow.

Everyday we are faced with "the children" argument when it comes to e-cigs. What if we found out that children in China wore no gear while filling and mixing our liquids/carts and picking the tobacco from the fields. WE have no idea which company it is so boycotting is out of the question. Sending gear via our donations is noble but where to send? We would have to rely on a middle man who may or may not send what we donate.

This story raises more issues than provides answers to me. 8-o
 

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Again, never heard or saw any illnesses from tobacco exposure while I worked in it. Most even smoked or chewed tobacco while working with it?

My guess is these children are probably having some reaction to the pesticides, weed killers or fertilizers being used. OR even the ripening agent that is often used with tobacco maybe causing some problems? Third world countries can get away with using stuff that would not be allowed here in the US.

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I respectfully submit that you may have missed the point. All pickers should have gloves and possibly long sleeve shirts to protect their arms even the children in our own country who pick our crops. Stic9 actually picked the stuff so he has experience with the crop and his picking peers.

I admit freely that I've been hardened to "the children" argument when it is paired with anything tobacco...or e-cigs for that matter. It is another ploy to demonize tobacco companies who make no employment standards in other countries...they merely buy what they grow.

Everyday we are faced with "the children" argument when it comes to e-cigs. What if we found out that children in China wore no gear while filling and mixing our liquids/carts and picking the tobacco from the fields. WE have no idea which company it is so boycotting is out of the question. Sending gear via our donations is noble but where to send? We would have to rely on a middle man who may or may not send what we donate.

This story raises more issues than provides answers to me. 8-o

Sorry, I was speaking with my tongue in my cheek. My point was that these kids ARE getting sick from working in the fields. The article points out that it may not be the nicotine, it may be the pesticides. Either way, they should be wearing something over exposed skin. If Stric9 thinks that that is an unreasonable request, then I volunteer my own funds to outfit a child in proper attire.
Meant no disrespect to you or this article.
 

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Sorry, I was speaking with my tongue in my cheek. My point was that these kids ARE getting sick from working in the fields. The article points out that it may not be the nicotine, it may be the pesticides. Either way, they should be wearing something over exposed skin. If Stric9 thinks that that is an unreasonable request, then I volunteer my own funds to outfit a child in proper attire.
Meant no disrespect to you or this article.

No disrespect taken...just people exchanging ideas. I understand your point about children being ill and not a single one of us on this board would want that. But an illness is defined by a group of symptoms that are further distinquished by various exposures and some have an interaction effect. This article mentions symptoms that resemble an illness and states that no medical tests were conducted. Thus, it is all conjecture and they need help in identifying the source, not just gear.

Wouldn't the better choice of an intervention be centered at identifying the underlying problem to ascertain what equipment is needed? There are easy tests for nicotine via urinalysis or blood work. Providing gear to manage an undiagnosed illness is like shooting a pea shooter at an elephant and one may still get stomped!

I fear unless a diagnostic test/panel is completed these children and their families may have a false sense of safety and the illness may not be isolated to any particular variable the kids are exposed to.;) Where is the WHO when they are needed?
 

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No disrespect taken...just people exchanging ideas. I understand your point about children being ill and not a single one of us on this board would want that. But an illness is defined by a group of symptoms that are further distinquished by various exposures and some have an interaction effect. This article mentions symptoms that resemble an illness and states that no medical tests were conducted. Thus, it is all conjecture and they need help in identifying the source, not just gear.

Wouldn't the better choice of an intervention be centered at identifying the underlying problem to ascertain what equipment is needed? There are easy tests for nicotine via urinalysis or blood work. Providing gear to manage an undiagnosed illness is like shooting a pea shooter at an elephant and one may still get stomped!

I fear unless a diagnostic test/panel is completed these children and their families may have a false sense of safety and the illness may not be isolated to any particular variable the kids are exposed to.;) Where is the WHO when they are needed?

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Again, never heard or saw any illnesses from tobacco exposure while I worked in it. Most even smoked or chewed tobacco while working with it?

My guess is these children are probably having some reaction to the pesticides, weed killers or fertilizers being used. OR even the ripening agent that is often used with tobacco maybe causing some problems? Third world countries can get away with using stuff that would not be allowed here in the US.

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maybe its because you likely werent malnourished, living in a third world hole? diet and living conditions can mean a lot.
 
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