Chinese Commercial Atomizers-RBA Clones and radioactivity in metals.

[Jargon]

Hello everyone,

For years I've been involved into the construction sector and my wife is also a civil engineer. I always remember the fact that the iron used within concrete constructions contains radioactive material and depending on the production source it might be higher than should. For this, there are certifications accompanying any manufacturer. I also remember having discussed with engineers that all metals have radioactivity.

Now, I have also engaged into the newest breed of cloned atomizers from China for the simple fact that I want to try new things and after two years of using only originals I am expecting 4 clones to arrive in the mail now.

What is troubling my brain though is how do we know that the metals used in these cheap Chinese clones are radioactivity free? Or at normal levels for that matter?

Is anyone running checks on those? Can they pass airport scans if they are radioactive?

Lets discuss.

 

[chaos-7]

I recommend not buying atomizers made out of plutonium.

 

[Jargon]

It has nothing to do with the metal type. All metals have radioactivity (SS of all types included) and this has to do with the production process. Cheaper SS without the appropriate certification on the method of production is more suspect to have higher than normal levels of radioactivity.

In concrete works cheaper iron is certain to come with higher levels as well. This is a fact and that is why I chose specific producers when selecting materials for our concrete frameworks for housing. My wife has been on the TQM head office of the Subway in Athens - Greece as a Quality Assurance engineer and they required a lot of certificates for each and every material used including those for iron (thousands of tons).


I am really surprised that no has even considered this issue so far and this is the reason I am asking here.


There have been instances with radioactivity in Stainless Steel consumer products made in China before.

So lets dig this topic since it is not funny at all.

 

[Jargon]

See this bit just from one article it took me 5 seconds to find:

"The surprising health risks of handbags and elevators

A majority of radioactive consumer products and building materials originate from India and China with a smaller portion emerging from former Soviet Bloc countries and Africa. Incredibly, the Netherlands found 500 handbags from India to be radioactive due to contaminated decorative rings whereas France and Sweden uncovered 500 tainted elevator buttons. These instances are not a minor issue — exposure to radioactive materials cause dire health consequences. In Taiwan, a study of 6,000 Taiwanese between 1983 to 2005 discovered that those who lived in flats built with radioactive reinforcing steel had significantly higher rates of leukemia and breast cancer. Likewise, Indian scrap metal workers have died from handling contaminated metal. Cobalt-60 (or any radioactive material for that matter) is certainly not an element we want in our household products, clothing or building materials if we would like to remain healthy and disease free.

“Nothing has changed since 2000 that would justify lifting its current ban. Rather, just the opposite: since then the National Academy of Sciences has acknowledged that there is no safe level of radiation exposure, and we’ve learned that women are even more vulnerable to radiation than men (while children have long been known to be more vulnerable than adults),” said the Nuclear Information and Resource Service in response to the proposed radioactive metal recycling plan.



If you do your own google search on "radioactive material on Stainless Steel consumer products from China" I am sure you will find a wealth of information.

 

[Majestic]

"Can they pass airport scans if they are radioactive?"

In the years I've been on the forum I have yet to see this become a concern by members who have traveled so I doubt there is a problem. If there was, someone would have a thread going here already.

"Is anyone running checks on those?"

I've never heard of anyone. You're the first to bring this topic up that I can recall.

Given the amount of Chinese made products we have purchased through the years at our local Wal-Mart, my house should be lighting up like a Christmas tree. Sorry for the joke, but if attys are your concern I'd be more worried about the items that are used to heat, cook, serve and store my food. Until someone comes up with an alternative, China will continue to be the source for affordable non-rba attys.

 

[Jargon]

Well I know I am the first one to bring this up since I can't find any info on this anywhere.


As far as household good are concerned, I personally avoid anything non-branded in the kitchen and at home but to be realistic it is really hard to find a totally chinese-free made goods zone these days. I am overly cautious however.

When it comes to construction, I know that Chinese steel and iron is almost never used in my country (Greece) but we do have very good local factories (more expensive though) that are excellent and certified. However, we are talking tons of iron in this case and radiation has been brought up in engineering circles many time. It is a fact and not a hypothesis that unless the proper certificates are in place then they can't be trusted. Guess what? They don't have them!

I could contact Dr. Farsalinos (avid e-cig researcher) since he is based in Greece as well and active at our local forum and ask him if he could send some "samples" for testing to to a properly equipped laboratory. I just want to gather more information first for the sake of avoiding false alarms.


Finally, regarding airport scans, as far as I am aware they don't check most of trade goods for radioactivity and most certainly not all mail.


It is a topic that we should at least try to explore further and that is the reason I brought it up for discussion.

 

[longbraids]

Hi Jargon I think you bring up a very good question and would be interested in any answers you may get from the good Doctor. There are many things we take for granted and though I don't want to believe any one would knowingly poison people, there have been countless poisoning thru the centuries as we learn about our relationships with the elements we use. Hope you will post your findings.

 

[RoseB]

This has crossed my mind a few times. Mostly because of the Fukishima Diatchi disaster in Japan, and resulting fallout. Maybe it's all the weird government conspiracy stuff I read If you find anything please do post.

 

[awj03130]

Interesting thread... Wish a nuclear engineer could chime in!

Curious though... Concerned about minute levels of radiation from an atty, but we're not concerned about holding a cellphone up to our head? Same spectrum, I believe...

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[Julie W]

Interesting thread... Wish a nuclear engineer could chime in!

Curious though... Concerned about minute levels of radiation from an atty, but we're not concerned about holding a cellphone up to our head? Same spectrum, I believe...

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I am & I must be the only person on the planet that wont use one,for exactly that reason

 

[mad maori]

i don't but cheap clone attys for that reason, you don't know the quality of the stainless they use, or other bits as well, and thats the bit that comes in contact with the juice that we vaporize and inhale...... i was talking to a metal fabricator just yesterday, he makes all sorts of things and said he wont use steel from china in his works because of quality issues, there is no way of knowing the quality..he was saying if he were gonna build a skyscraper or large building you wouldn't source the steel from china if u had a choice.. he's probably got a point there.. mind u i guess it can be a bit of a gamble really, -no matter were materials are sourced from..