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My HR dept manager tried to reason with her corporate bosses about it, but they are still among the ignorant that go by what the FDA says. The insurance is thru United Health Care (UHC). Here is what their site has to say about e-cigs.

Their first article is that age-old nonsense from the FDA about e-cigs containing anti-freeze.
The second article makes this quote:
The study found serious flaws in e-cigarette products and health claims. The researchers evaluated six different brands of electronic cigarettes that were bought online and found that:
-- Fluid containing nicotine leaked out of most cartridges.
-- The devices were difficult to take apart or put together without getting nicotine all over the user's hands.
-- Nicotine cartridge labeling was poor, with most replacement packs lacking any indication of cartridge content, expiration date, or health warnings.
-- Cartridges that claimed to have no nicotine content looked identical to those that claimed to have high nicotine content, making them indistinguishable once removed from their packs and wrappers.
-- All brands had "ambiguous amounts of nicotine," with stated levels ranging from 6 milligrams to 24 mg.
-- None of the instruction leaflets or product Web sites offered adequate instructions for proper disposal of used cartridges.
-- Safety features did not always work correctly.
-- Print and Internet material often contained information or claims that could not be backed up by scientific evidence. Examples included: "Be careful to avoid inhaling any significant quantity of fluid. Although it gives you a slight tingling sensation, it is not harmful," and "Within two weeks your lung capacity will increase by 30 percent ... Wrinkles in your skin will become less noticeable."


So, kind of hard to reason with them when they buy into all the misinformation and paranoia. I partly blame the e-cig industry for not countering and getting more involved with insurance companies and HMOs, etc. If UHC was claiming that milk was actually poisonous, and charged employers extra for employees that use dairy, do you think the milk industry would sit quietly by? They need more national attention, get on 20/20 or Dateline, get on the 6:00 network news, get Ellen & Oprah to endorse them.

I just have to wait it out for a few more years until the blinders come off.


Yeah, they do say that about nic, but honestly, I have many of the same juices from 12 nic, 18 nic, and 24 or 26 (varying on vendor) and have not seen any diff between them on throat hit, vapor or taste...:confused: though I haven't tried anything under 12. I usually start high in the am and maybe go lower, particularly if I'm vaping more than usual (like if I'm having a few drinks ;)).

You may want to remind your insurance providers that Nicotine is a great drug and is awesome for memory and in prevention of dementia LOL (well, maybe), there are studies being done with nicotine for use in treating dementia, Alzheimer's and autism....
 

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Your health insurance penalty fee mentions nicotine? Mine simply says "tobacco" products.

Yes, they specifically say you must be nicotine-free and made special point of including e-cigs. When I countered with "yeah well what about the patch or gum", they BS'd and said they could tell the difference. See what I'm dealing with? :mad:

Also, since the FDA lost their battle trying to control it as a drug, it is now considered a tobacco product, so....
 

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Haha, funny in here this morning: I felt like I was eavesdropping in stereo! :laugh:

Yeah, Konstantine, I think you're right about the loose connection. Unfortunately, I think it's in the batt switch. Oh well...
Wow, my purple batt is like a cat - multiple lives! :)
If not, a new battery for experiments. :D :D :D
I have no manual bats to tell you exactly what to do, they have to be simple tho. The only thing that can break is the tactile switch and the wires.
 

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Star, the walking, talking spellchecker! :laugh:
Just blink when you hit "Last Unread" and you'll forget it was even there! ;)

Can't help it. I was a tech writer then manager of the department in a previous life. I proof everything. My head explodes when I read Chinese e-cig websites. I shake my head when I see typos and poor grammar on U.S. websites. One would think somebody would check what's written before showing it to the rest of the world.
But on chat and posts it can be forgiven. Lord knows I've made my fair share of typos (but when I see I've made them I get really upset with myself :lol: )
 

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If not, a new battery for experiments. :D :D :D
I have no manual bats to tell you exactly what to do, they have to be simple tho. The only thing that can break is the tactile switch and the wires.
Sssshhh, it's working right now...don't jinx it...
Yeah, I'm thinking something's just loose with the tactile switch, because taping it does depress it slightly, and that seems to be enough to do the trick to get it to charge (I think something in there needs to touch). Seems to be OK during use though...and unlike you, I'm not into microscopic surgery with soldering irons and stuff...let's see...9 lives minus 2, 7 lives left! :)
 

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Can't help it. I was a tech writer then manager of the department in a previous life. I proof everything. My head explodes when I read Chinese e-cig websites. I shake my head when I see typos and poor grammar on U.S. websites. One would think somebody would check what's written before showing it to the rest of the world.
But on chat and posts it can be forgiven. Lord knows I've made my fair share of typos (but when I see I've made them I get really upset with myself :lol: )

Thank God for the "edit" option :)
 

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My HR dept manager tried to reason with her corporate bosses about it, but they are still among the ignorant that go by what the FDA says. The insurance is thru United Health Care (UHC). Here is what their site has to say about e-cigs.

Their first article is that age-old nonsense from the FDA about e-cigs containing anti-freeze.
The second article makes this quote:
The study found serious flaws in e-cigarette products and health claims. The researchers evaluated six different brands of electronic cigarettes that were bought online and found that:
-- Fluid containing nicotine leaked out of most cartridges.
-- The devices were difficult to take apart or put together without getting nicotine all over the user's hands.
-- Nicotine cartridge labeling was poor, with most replacement packs lacking any indication of cartridge content, expiration date, or health warnings.
-- Cartridges that claimed to have no nicotine content looked identical to those that claimed to have high nicotine content, making them indistinguishable once removed from their packs and wrappers.
-- All brands had "ambiguous amounts of nicotine," with stated levels ranging from 6 milligrams to 24 mg.
-- None of the instruction leaflets or product Web sites offered adequate instructions for proper disposal of used cartridges.
-- Safety features did not always work correctly.
-- Print and Internet material often contained information or claims that could not be backed up by scientific evidence. Examples included: "Be careful to avoid inhaling any significant quantity of fluid. Although it gives you a slight tingling sensation, it is not harmful," and "Within two weeks your lung capacity will increase by 30 percent ... Wrinkles in your skin will become less noticeable."


So, kind of hard to reason with them when they buy into all the misinformation and paranoia. I partly blame the e-cig industry for not countering and getting more involved with insurance companies and HMOs, etc. If UHC was claiming that milk was actually poisonous, and charged employers extra for employees that use dairy, do you think the milk industry would sit quietly by? They need more national attention, get on 20/20 or Dateline, get on the 6:00 network news, get Ellen & Oprah to endorse them.

I just have to wait it out for a few more years until the blinders come off.

(IDIOTS)

:facepalm:
 

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Sssshhh, it's working right now...don't jinx it...
Yeah, I'm thinking something's just loose with the tactile switch, because taping it does depress it slightly, and that seems to be enough to do the trick to get it to charge (I think something in there needs to touch). Seems to be OK during use though...and unlike you, I'm not into microscopic surgery with soldering irons and stuff...let's see...9 lives minus 2, 7 lives left! :)
Hmmm I also use hot air for more complex jobs :D Things that you cannot simply touch.
It will fail eventually, i'm just preparing you just in case. :(
 

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Ah! See, Ours doesn't say anything at all about e-cigs or FDA. Just says the use of tobacco products. I was sooooo proud to be able to take my name off that list!! $30 a month is just crazy!

My HR dept manager tried to reason with her corporate bosses about it, but they are still among the ignorant that go by what the FDA says. The insurance is thru United Health Care (UHC). Here is what their site has to say about e-cigs.

Their first article is that age-old nonsense from the FDA about e-cigs containing anti-freeze.
The second article makes this quote:
The study found serious flaws in e-cigarette products and health claims. The researchers evaluated six different brands of electronic cigarettes that were bought online and found that:
-- Fluid containing nicotine leaked out of most cartridges.
-- The devices were difficult to take apart or put together without getting nicotine all over the user's hands.
-- Nicotine cartridge labeling was poor, with most replacement packs lacking any indication of cartridge content, expiration date, or health warnings.
-- Cartridges that claimed to have no nicotine content looked identical to those that claimed to have high nicotine content, making them indistinguishable once removed from their packs and wrappers.
-- All brands had "ambiguous amounts of nicotine," with stated levels ranging from 6 milligrams to 24 mg.
-- None of the instruction leaflets or product Web sites offered adequate instructions for proper disposal of used cartridges.
-- Safety features did not always work correctly.
-- Print and Internet material often contained information or claims that could not be backed up by scientific evidence. Examples included: "Be careful to avoid inhaling any significant quantity of fluid. Although it gives you a slight tingling sensation, it is not harmful," and "Within two weeks your lung capacity will increase by 30 percent ... Wrinkles in your skin will become less noticeable."


So, kind of hard to reason with them when they buy into all the misinformation and paranoia. I partly blame the e-cig industry for not countering and getting more involved with insurance companies and HMOs, etc. If UHC was claiming that milk was actually poisonous, and charged employers extra for employees that use dairy, do you think the milk industry would sit quietly by? They need more national attention, get on 20/20 or Dateline, get on the 6:00 network news, get Ellen & Oprah to endorse them.

I just have to wait it out for a few more years until the blinders come off.
 

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Can't help it. I was a tech writer then manager of the department in a previous life. I proof everything. My head explodes when I read Chinese e-cig websites. I shake my head when I see typos and poor grammar on U.S. websites. One would think somebody would check what's written before showing it to the rest of the world.
But on chat and posts it can be forgiven. Lord knows I've made my fair share of typos (but when I see I've made them I get really upset with myself :lol: )

Yeah, I'm with you. I've never done it for a living (unless you can count graphic design), but printed commercial material should be error-free and not awkward-sounding, especially ads and commercials. Kinda takes away from their credibility, huh? Certain word usages kinda piss me off too, like "myriad" as a noun. I think it was a major cop-out when they finally relented to adding it to the dictionary as such... See? I'm picky too! May be worse than you! :laugh:
 

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Ah! See, Ours doesn't say anything at all about e-cigs or FDA. Just says the use of tobacco products. I was sooooo proud to be able to take my name off that list!! $30 a month is just crazy!
I think Star's was waaaaay higher than that. How much was it, Star?
 

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Can't help it. I was a tech writer then manager of the department in a previous life. I proof everything. My head explodes when I read Chinese e-cig websites. I shake my head when I see typos and poor grammar on U.S. websites. One would think somebody would check what's written before showing it to the rest of the world.
But on chat and posts it can be forgiven. Lord knows I've made my fair share of typos (but when I see I've made them I get really upset with myself :lol: )

I feel the same way. I'm a professional proofreader and copy editor, and I even offered my services freelance to companies on an ECF forum listing such things. No interest. I guess companies feel if they are selling their products, nobody notices or cares, just cranky crazies like you and me.
 

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Ah! See, Ours doesn't say anything at all about e-cigs or FDA. Just says the use of tobacco products. I was sooooo proud to be able to take my name off that list!! $30 a month is just crazy!

I know what you mean. In your heart of hearts you feel you are no longer using tobacco, even if someone else defines it as being a tobacco product. I'm paying $80 extra for the privilege of thumbing my nose at them - I know I'm not a smoker, despite what they say, but I'm not willing to lose my job over it.
 

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I feel the same way. I'm a professional proofreader and copy editor, and I even offered my services freelance to companies on an ECF forum listing such things. No interest. I guess companies feel if they are selling their products, nobody notices or cares, just cranky crazies like you and me.

I did the same thing when (insert competitor name) was launching their new site - offered to proof before it went live, asking nothing in return. Didn't take me up on it, and holy cow what a huge mess. They couldn't even be consistent with their own company or product names.

At least Imagine passes along the info when I point out errors on their site to her and it gets fixed right away. (except for that meldoy thing :lol: )
 

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I did the same thing when (insert competitor name) was launching their new site - offered to proof before it went live, asking nothing in return. Didn't take me up on it, and holy cow what a huge mess. They couldn't even be consistent with their own company or product names.

At least Imagine passes along the info when I point out errors on their site to her and it gets fixed right away. (except for that meldoy thing :lol: )

This is unbelievable. You didn't want to charge them, and still they refused? Insane! I would charge them, and probably companies starting out don't have much extra income, so that may be why no one has responded. Still, having typos and inconsistencies and poor grammar on a professional website doesn't speak well for a company. Along with the design of their website and ease of use, literacy is a big selling point with me.
 
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