Class action lawsuit based on junk science

[stevegmu]

I fear not the label of conspiracy theorist when it comes to the depths of malarky the billion dollar bill might spawn.

Imagine various {place alphabet soup organisation here} who employ career politicians, family friends acquaintances, in which most or all are appointed via cascading connections, working in harmony as one.

This is no different than any other large corporate deal. It's simply requires more facets of disorientation to finalise. Hence, where there is confusion there is profit.

Nothing a hundred thousand phone calls can do, nothing a national media blitz can stop, considering it's all bought and paid for. And there is nothing tobacco could care less about than another law suit. Nothing new, and even less, nothing not, expected and prepared for.

The way I see it, this is chess, not checkers. Make one move that appears to be faulty, all the while it's part of a much larger plan.

What? The lawsuit against RJR is a conspiracy by the NSA?..

 

[mudmanc4]

What? The lawsuit against RJR is a conspiracy by the NSA?..

Look, go ahead and believe all the mess surrounding ecigs and tobacco are independent if this feels cozy.

 

[nicnik]

I didn't buy my first e-cig to quit smoking. I bought it as an adjunct to smoking......to use it where I couldn't smoke and as a recreational device. It worked as a recreational device; and as a "side effect", I quit smoking!

I have a feeling that's happening with a lot of people.

 

[skoony]

BTW2 - Here is Another Suit that has been Filed against Blu...

Class Action Lawsuit Filed over Blu E-Cigs Formaldehyde Content

Can one actually crank a Blu up high enough to produce formaldehyde?
Regards
Mike

 

[sofarsogood]

What I notice with lawsuits like this is they are reported when they start then drop off the news radar completely until there is some final outcome if it happens to be interesting. This isn't a sensational story like a police shooting or domestic terror attack.

 

[zoiDman]

Can one actually crank a Blu up high enough to produce formaldehyde?
Regards
Mike

Dunno. Doubt it.

But I'm sure Mr. Whitney lawyers will mention Other Chemical Compounds besides Formaldehyde. And it might not be the Last Time you hear the word Diketones in a News Story.

Of course, I'm sure that the Imperial Tobacco Group lawyers will argue the Direct Opposite. And will say that the word "Smart" in the phrase "Smart Choice" implies Harm Reduction. Not Harm Elimination.

 

[nicnik]

Can one actually crank a Blu up high enough to produce formaldehyde?
Regards
Mike

I've never used a Blu, but I'm certain you can get dry puffs with one, and that's what's relevant.

 

[skoony]

Of course, I'm sure that the Imperial Tobacco Group lawyers will argue the Direct Opposite. And will say that the word "Smart" in the phrase "Smart Choice" implies Harm Reduction. Not Harm Elimination.

does my post hear affect this case?
US District Court decision may have implications concerning e-cigs. | E-Cigarette Forum

I've never used a Blu, but I'm certain you can get dry puffs with one, and that's what's relevant.

if in fact there is any thing left in the carto or this is considered normal use.
regards
mike

 

[zoiDman]

does my post hear affect this case?
US District Court decision may have implications concerning e-cigs. | E-Cigarette Forum

...

I Dunno? It might? Or it Might Not?

Judge Engelmayer's ruling had to do with the FDA authority to prosecuting a Drug Company over a Drug and its Intended Purpose. And this thread has to do with an Individual suing a Tobacco Company over a Non-Classified Product which was used for its Intended Purpose.

Just not sure how much Overlap there may be in these Two Items?

"Under the statute, a drug is misbranded if its labeling does not contain “adequate
directions for use.” Id. § 352(f).16 The FDA has defined “adequate directions for use” as
16 As summarized in Caronia: “A drug is also misbranded if, inter alia: its label is false or
misleading; the label fails to display required information prominently; its container is


Case 1:15-cv-03588-PAE Document 73 Filed 08/07/15 Page 9 of 71




“directions under which the lay[person] can use a drug safely and for the purposes for which it is
intended.” 21 C.F.R. § 201.5. It has defined “intended use” as “the objective intent of the
persons legally responsible for the labeling of drugs”; “intended use” may be demonstrated by
“oral or written statements by such persons or their representatives” and “the circumstances that
the article is, with the knowledge of such persons or their representatives, offered and used for a
purpose for which it is neither labeled nor advertised.” Id. § 201.128.17"

http://www.healthlawpolicymatters.com/files/2015/08/Amarin-Decision-8-2015-Off-Label.pdf

 

[nicnik]

Looks like a path to and ecig based MSA to me....

This is starting to sink in for me in the form of worrying that maybe BT is in on this and the CEH study, to try and kill off vaping. Paranoid, I know. Only starting to think this, but the thought is growing.

 

[nicnik]

I don't think so. To me they look more inclined to buy government protection (check MSA, FSPTCA).

Uh oh...

 

[nicnik]

I fear not the label of conspiracy theorist when it comes to the depths of malarky the billion dollar bill might spawn.

Imagine various {place alphabet soup organisation here} who employ career politicians, family friends acquaintances, in which most or all are appointed via cascading connections, working in harmony as one.

This is no different than any other large corporate deal. It's simply requires more facets of disorientation to finalise. Hence, where there is confusion there is profit.

Nothing a hundred thousand phone calls can do, nothing a national media blitz can stop, considering it's all bought and paid for. And there is nothing tobacco could care less about than another law suit. Nothing new, and even less, nothing not, expected and prepared for.

The way I see it, this is chess, not checkers. Make one move that appears to be faulty, all the while it's part of a much larger plan.

This is no fun at all. Vaping would be a lot more relaxing without having to worry about all this crap.

 

[Tepid]

Stock up and keep your nic frozen, buy Mods that require rechargeable batteries and that are easily serviceable.
Go the Mech route and have a couple, also make sure you have a few good drippers. Velocity's are good. chance favors the prepared ...

 

[Bill Godshall]

Both of these class action lawsuits were filed by the same lawyers.