Classified Suggestions & Questions

[HolaAmigos]

They get paid to do the repair. This doesn't make sense to me, JMHO. I brought a refrigerator with me when I moved to this state, and the local repair contractor (who sold the same item) refused to do repairs because I didn't buy it from him. Really bad goodwill for the biz.

Question: I see some classies where I do a search on the member's name, and they have no posts for like a year.....anywhere on the forum........only posts in the classies. And sometimes they are items that you have to wait in line to get, then they pop in here to sell at higher price when they get them. Isn't that like not really being a member, but just using ECF as a selling channel/outlet? And purposely only buying stuff that you know will go out of stock by a modder who only makes limiited runs?

I would probably fall into one or two of those categories that you mentioned above. As I do not post on the forums, for personal reasons.
Not only that, but because of members that seem to come and post behind me and always want to knock down my opinion on this or that.
Truthfully, overall I'd rather just avoid 'drama'.
Heck, I shouldn't really be even posting this.
I do know members to be shy and who aren't as sociable as others.
That doesn't mean that they shouldn't be able to use the Classifieds.

I totally understand what you are saying about Mods.
I, myself would never list anything for more than what I originally paid, unless, I am including extras such as batteries, Atomizers, E-Liquids, etc.

 

[j0ker]

They get paid to do the repair. This doesn't make sense to me, JMHO. I brought a refrigerator with me when I moved to this state, and the local repair contractor (who sold the same item) refused to do repairs because I didn't buy it from him. Really bad goodwill for the biz.

Question: I see some classies where I do a search on the member's name, and they have no posts for like a year.....anywhere on the forum........only posts in the classies. And sometimes they are items that you have to wait in line to get, then they pop in here to sell at higher price when they get them. Isn't that like not really being a member, but just using ECF as a selling channel/outlet? And purposely only buying stuff that you know will go out of stock by a modder who only makes limiited runs?

See here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-notice-new-classified-tools-please-read.html

Also if you look at the bottom of every ad posted there is a method for reporting overpriced items.

 

[akt00009]

J0ker, you said that you were going to attempt to get in touch with Eric (EKDP) yesterday but never posted a follow-up to inform us of whether you made contact. I am really hoping that you talked to him and everything is ok and you just got lost in conversation and forgot to post but as one of the many who have already sent him money I would love to hear back.

 

[j0ker]

J0ker, you said that you were going to attempt to get in touch with Eric (EKDP) yesterday but never posted a follow-up to inform us of whether you made contact. I am really hoping that you talked to him and everything is ok and you just got lost in conversation and forgot to post but as one of the many who have already sent him money I would love to hear back.

Those updates will be posted in that thread, which I did post a few minutes ago.

You have to keep in mind that ECF isn't my real job, so sometimes I'm unable to get on till after work.

 

[Racehorse]

What is the difference between a "counterfeit" and a "clone"?

Just saw an ad pulled due to counterfeit, and never saw that "remark" before.

 

[j0ker]

What is the difference between a "counterfeit" and a "clone"?

Just saw an ad pulled due to counterfeit, and never saw that "remark" before.

Sorry for the delay, I meant to respond yesterday but forgot.

This should answer your question - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...aps/366198-classifieds-blog.html#post10528527

 

[Racehorse]

Sorry for the delay, I meant to respond yesterday but forgot.

This should answer your question - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...aps/366198-classifieds-blog.html#post10528527

Thank you! And subscribed..........

 

[Smokke]

I would probably fall into one or two of those categories that you mentioned above. As I do not post on the forums, for personal reasons.
Not only that, but because of members that seem to come and post behind me and always want to knock down my opinion on this or that.
Truthfully, overall I'd rather just avoid 'drama'.
Heck, I shouldn't really be even posting this.



I do know members to be shy and who aren't as sociable as others.
That doesn't mean that they shouldn't be able to use the Classifieds.

I totally understand what you are saying about Mods.
I, myself would never list anything for more than what I originally paid, unless, I am including extras such as Batteries, Atomizers, E-Liquids, etc.

I dont post alot on the forum but that does not mean I am not on the forum daily gathering information. I often PM People about things to ask them more questions..... Then, If I have something that I can truly add of substance I add it.

I see no need to have yet another saying "I wish I could help but I have no experience" or just a conversation going nowhere with another member that is usually off topic and/or could be put in a PM easily.

There is enough of that going on. I dont care how big my post count is really nor do I care what my title says because of how many posts I have.

It is very time consuming wading through meaningless posts on a thread looking for on topic information that is useful and I see no need to add to it with my opinion.

 

[planes]

I used to trade at a forum that dealt in the freebie network. Basically one had to complete offers and in return got free stuff. Pretty lucrative while it was hot. They had some great rules for traders to protect each party when money was exchanged for trades.

1. Person with least trades had to trade first. Could be used when members trade here. So the senior trader would get the item first and then send theirs. One could also be a senior trader by length of time on forum combined with number of posts if both members didn't have trades. Maybe a member would be a senior trader with 6 months on forum and 200 posts. etc...
1b. Person would need three trades before trade rating. Otherwise, someone could come on the forum and make one good trade and then scam some honest longtime member big.

 

[planes]

Couple more points. If someone pays with paypal and uses their credit card instead of their paypal balance, they may refute the charge with their credit card company if Paypal doesn't rule in their favor. They can even bypass Paypal altogether and simply go to their CC provider. Heck American Express and some other cards will immediately reverse the funds without question. Paypal may close or suspend an account if a buyer does this so it should be used as a last resort. Paypal by law has to abide my CC decisions since pp isn't a bank.

 

[planes]

Ip tracking software on a website is a good idea. It doesn't solve in every instance as people can alter their IP. But software can track if a person is using an ip at Starbucks or a school or Xfinity hotspot.

A site can make rules like one has to use their personal IP and must always log in with that ip or they have to do a residence check by faxing in a copy of their utility bill or a copy of their drivers license with their # blacked out, of course.

These are all rules used by the freebie sites to to protect themselves.

 

[j0ker]

I used to trade at a forum that dealt in the freebie network. Basically one had to complete offers and in return got free stuff. Pretty lucrative while it was hot. They had some great rules for traders to protect each party when money was exchanged for trades.

1. Person with least trades had to trade first. Could be used when members trade here. So the senior trader would get the item first and then send theirs. One could also be a senior trader by length of time on forum combined with number of posts if both members didn't have trades. Maybe a member would be a senior trader with 6 months on forum and 200 posts. etc...
1b. Person would need three trades before trade rating. Otherwise, someone could come on the forum and make one good trade and then scam some honest longtime member big.

We don't really have issues with trading, in fact I can only think of 1 in the last 3 or 4 years and if I remember correctly it was resolve amicably for everyone involved. It was more of an aggravation for all involved than anything else. Basically trading is buyer beware also, if you don't feel comfortable trading a $300 device with someone, you might consider someone else or a proxy service to protect you.

I see no need to adding more strict trading rules when we don't seem to have an issue.

Ip tracking software on a website is a good idea. It doesn't solve in every instance as people can alter their IP. But software can track if a person is using an ip at Starbucks or a school or Xfinity hotspot.

A site can make rules like one has to use their personal IP and must always log in with that ip or they have to do a residence check by faxing in a copy of their utility bill or a copy of their drivers license with their # blacked out, of course.

These are all rules used by the freebie sites to to protect themselves.

I'm assuming you mention this in assistance in protecting members? Using myself as an example, my resident IP changes very frequent and not at any particular interval. I also access the forum from work and at work I could be using 1 or 13 different wireless access points, each of which will have a different IP address. I'm sure I'm not alone in my situation, so although IP address tracking is useful, it isn't useful on it's own, which is why the Verified Member process is in place. All elements we use to protect members considered on their own fall short of protecting our members but as a collection of elements, they make great strides in protecting the members to the best of our ability.


The scanning & email or faxing of documents has been discussed numerous times and it just isn't a legitimate means of verifying someone's identity, at least without major work or resources on our end. There's no way I could confirm the validity of every DL or ID submitted, unless I quit my job and devoted all my free time to verifying ID's.


BTW....Here's the copy of my driver's licenses I always fax to confirm my identity

 

[magman007]

Has it been suggested yet that toppers and devices be split into 2 separate forums?

 

[j0ker]

Has it been suggested yet that toppers and devices be split into 2 separate forums?

Yes, there have many suggestions for separating forums up but basically we could end up with 400 different sub-forums and it would take a technical manual 10 inches thick to explain how to post an ad or we could make a "wanted" and "sale/trade" sub-forum and have members use the search tool. We decided going with the latter was the best option.

Seriously though, everyone has their own idea for how to break up the classifieds into separate sub's but the options are endless and no matter how we do it, there would be opposition, not to mentioned the nightmare of staff having to manage all these sub's, so the old KISS acronym was the path we chose. Somewhere back in this thread I went into greater detail of how separating the classifieds up created a never ending domino effect of sub's, if you really think about it you'll understand how much of a nightmare it could be.

 

[skittles2978]

Hey My Vapor Friends
I have a question, I recently completed a sale and i was the buyer, i went to leave feedback for the seller and for the deal URL i entered it and it says invalid URL, would it be because that thread is closed now? Or is there something new im unaware of..Thanks

 

[skamaria]

Hey My Vapor Friends
I have a question, I recently completed a sale and i was the buyer, i went to leave feedback for the seller and for the deal URL i entered it and it says invalid URL, would it be because that thread is closed now? Or is there something new im unaware of..Thanks

I am getting the same thing. Maybe it is related to the recent site maintenance?

 

[Camf]

Keep getting "The deal URL is invalid!" myself while trying to leave feedback.

 

[gpjoe]

Hi Joker,

Just wanted to ask a couple of questions regarding clones and counterfeit items. I'd rather ask for clarification than unknowingly break a forum rule.

I guess I'm not really clear on what constitutes a clone that cannot be listed for sale. Reading the rule (more than once) it appears that if I were to list an Ehpro Kayfun Lite or a HCigar Nemisis in the For Sale Forum, that I would be breaking the rules, since these are (I thought) exact copies of the originals, including the markings. Am I interpreting the rule correctly? Understand that I am not seeking permission to sell those items, just using them as examples.

Also, I see a thread now and then that has been deleted by a moderator with an explanation something like "Counterfeit items are not allowed for sale."

I'm curious as to an example of an item that would cause the thread to be locked/deleted.

Finally, just want to thank you and the rest of the mods for your efforts here. I have bought and sold stuff here, and learned an awful lot about the "hobby". This really is a great site.

 

[Killjoy1]

Reading the rule (more than once) it appears that if I were to list an Ehpro Kayfun Lite or a HCigar Nemisis in the For Sale Forum, that I would be breaking the rules, since these are (I thought) exact copies of the originals, including the markings. Am I interpreting the rule correctly?

That is correct. Their makers not only stole the form of the devices, but the names. This fact coupled with the fact that they carry the same logos and markings makes them "counterfeit"

I'm curious as to an example of an item that would cause the thread to be locked/deleted.

See the examples you mentioned in your post that I quoted above. If a thread is locked relating to "counterfeit items" then the reason is because the items for sale/trade were items like those that would be defined as counterfeit (or they were clones that the seller was trying to pass off as being the originals)
That's probably not the level of clarity you're looking for, but it's the best I can manage at the moment

 

[skittles2978]

Yeah, Thats the same message im getting while trying to leave feedback, "The Deal Url is Invalid" I just tried again and got the same message, I hope they get it figured out soon,Vape On!!!!!