Classified Suggestions & Questions

[j0ker]

thank you for speaking out on our behalf, and for trying to make inroads toward better acceptance of our "stuff" w/Paypal.



Yes, vaper or vapor can be anything, even aromatherapy stuff.

I still prefer not to have any words like that in my Paypal tranactions though....unless i am purchasing from overseas.

Oh I agree, avoiding any terminology connected to ecigs is necessary in my book.

I actually just heard back from PayPal and this was their response.

Under the Acceptable Use Policy, PayPal may not be used for the sale of certain products that present a risk to consumer safety. To identify products that jeopardize consumer safety, PayPal reviews laws, regulations and other government actions, other available information, and marketing content related to the product. The sale of e-cigarettes or electronic cigarettes from your jurisdiction is covered by this policy.

So to PayPal, ecigs are dangerous. So I guess they will stop allowing people to purchase cell phones, flashlights, hair dryers (you know you can hold those under water and electrocute yourself) and hey....while they at it, ban bottle openers so beer drinkers can't open their beers and drive drunk. Looks like it's a knee jerk reaction to the ecig ban scare by the FDA. Who knows! I'm not done debating it with them. I've asked if there's a method to appeal the ban. I don't foresee this going anywhere but we can always ban PayPal and stop using their service altogether. Maybe I can convince SmokeyJoe to drop the ECF subscription service> We could start an all out ban party against PayPal. They may not get the message but they dang sure would lose a lot of money!

 

[Racehorse]

So to PayPal, ecigs are dangerous. So I guess they will stop allowing people to purchase cell phones, flashlights, hair dryers (you know you can hold those under water and electrocute yourself) and hey....while they at it, ban bottle openers so beer drinkers can't open their beers and drive drunk. Looks like it's a knee jerk reaction to the ecig ban scare by the FDA. Who knows! I'm not done debating it with them. I've asked if there's a method to appeal the ban. I don't foresee this going anywhere but we can always ban PayPal and stop using their service altogether. Maybe I can convince SmokeyJoe to drop the ECF subscription service> We could start an all out ban party against PayPal. They may not get the message but they dang sure would lose a lot of money!

I must be living dangerously, as I have electrical outlets ALL OVER MY HOUSE.

I heard those are dangerous, and can actually kill you.

Yes, give them a good debate.

Ban party for paypal on an ecig site would be ...... appropriate. Problem is that people in the classies would have to agree to sign up for another way to send and receive monies. That would be fine with me.

 

[tiburonfirst]

having come across a certain thread in the lounge i would like to offer the following sugestion:

no more pms - let's have the offers and acceptance right in the classified thread. it might not stop all scamming but it will stop one item being sold multiple times, especially when buyers are required to post that they are going to pm now to work out the payment details with the seller.

 

[Killjoy1]

So if you know of suppliers using PayPal and they sell any ecig hardware or software, they are skating on thin ice. If they happen to get caught, they will lose their account.

This is certainly true of US-based vendors and I'm surprised at how many still use PP regularly, but there are some accessories-only suppliers who have actually consulted with and been given the okay by PP to use their service because they don't sell anything containing nicotine or the actual e-cigs themselves. I wish I could remember who specifically I have seen say this in order to give an example, but there are so many I've dealt with that use PP that I don't remember which ones.

 

[Racehorse]

Just saw an ad where boba's bounty was marked up 61%.

 

[tiburonfirst]

then use the report triangle!

 

[cags]

Just saw an ad where boba's bounty was marked up 61%.

then use the report triangle!

actually, I think we are supposed to use this form for that type of issue.....(right?)

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/forms.php?do=form&fid=20

 

[MamaTried]

is there a faq for how to be a proper buyer in the classys?

i believe i've seen a few things that mention what NOT to do, but nothing like "best practices". i just sent my 1st PM and a a bit nervous. i don't want to screw the seller or do something stupid with my ignorance

 

[cags]

is there a faq for how to be a proper buyer in the classys?

i believe i've seen a few things that mention what NOT to do, but nothing like "best practices". i just sent my 1st PM and a a bit nervous. i don't want to screw the seller or do something stupid with my ignorance

well, here are the rules........

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-forum-rules/266555-classifieds-rules-guidelines-updated-often-without-notice.html

 

[MamaTried]

ok, thanks.

i saw that one. was wondering if there was something else.

here's an example of what i was getting at:
>Never UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES evade the PayPal fee by using the 'Pay as a Gift', 'Payment Owed' function or similar. This makes >the transaction free for the seller but you have NO COMEBACK WHATSOEVER with PayPal. Pay the extra and get protection. If you don't >do this, they can ignore you as you didn't pay them for their service. A free service has no safeguards - how can it?

that tells me what NOT to do. it doesn't tell me HOW to do it instead.

i suspect that i'm not too far from a lot of U.S. members who have only used Paypal for things like eBay. eBay, for example, pretty much walks you through it.

i never had to ask eBay a question, but i find myself asking one on ECF. that is the point.

thanks

 

[j0ker]

having come across a certain thread in the lounge i would like to offer the following sugestion:

no more pms - let's have the offers and acceptance right in the classified thread. it might not stop all scamming but it will stop one item being sold multiple times, especially when buyers are required to post that they are going to pm now to work out the payment details with the seller.

This may be a possibility but honestly, I don't like imposing a rule stating that someone has to post in the thread. There are situations where a buyer might want to be anonymous but in light of what we are looking at now, we might have to....more to come later.

actually, I think we are supposed to use this form for that type of issue.....(right?)

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/forms.php?do=form&fid=20

Yes mam, that is correct.

ok, thanks.

i saw that one. was wondering if there was something else.

here's an example of what i was getting at:
>Never UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES evade the PayPal fee by using the 'Pay as a Gift', 'Payment Owed' function or similar. This makes >the transaction free for the seller but you have NO COMEBACK WHATSOEVER with PayPal. Pay the extra and get protection. If you don't >do this, they can ignore you as you didn't pay them for their service. A free service has no safeguards - how can it?

that tells me what NOT to do. it doesn't tell me HOW to do it instead.

i suspect that i'm not too far from a lot of U.S. members who have only used Paypal for things like eBay. eBay, for example, pretty much walks you through it.

i never had to ask eBay a question, but i find myself asking one on ECF. that is the point.

thanks

It is practically impossible to create a thread to cover every single scenario of selling an item. You have to keep in mind that the Classifieds are international, so if you have questions, feel free to post it here. Either myself or several knowledgeable members can answer your question.

 

[cags]

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that tells me what NOT to do. it doesn't tell me HOW to do it instead.

i suspect that i'm not too far from a lot of U.S. members who have only used Paypal for things like eBay. eBay, for example, pretty much walks you through it.

i never had to ask eBay a question, but i find myself asking one on ECF. that is the point.

thanks

instead of "gifting" you pay "as goods" or "as service"

 

[MamaTried]

instead of "gifting" you pay "as goods" or "as service"

thank you.

your smiley suggests you might think that would be obvious. but it wasn't to me. that's the sort of thing i wish were in the faq.

 

[cags]

thank you.

your smiley suggests you might think that would be obvious. but it wasn't to me. that's the sort of thing i wish were in the faq.

my smiley only means that I smile a lot
I didn't know that when I started using paypal, I learned that here. and I've been on this forum for over 2 years and I am still learning how to use it lol - I am a person who tends to make things harder than they are so nothing is obvious to me

 

[Racehorse]

then use the report triangle!

I've reported my fair share of weird stuff in the classies.
the bobas? Well it sold so fast, even at the markup, it would make your head spin. I was unable to even report it before it closed.
Technically, I suppose one could argue that boba's is not readily *available* although it is still being manufactured so it would go by the 20% markup rule.

BTW, can you report a closed ad?

 

[classwife]

You most certainly can !


Fast doesn't make it acceptable !

 

[nitrojuga]

How about a requirement that whoever posts an item up for sale is able to give the full history of owners or a disclaimer that they do not have one. I bought a Provari on here a few weeks ago and it stopped working. PM'd the person I bought it from and they couldn't give me the name of the person it was purchased from. Luckily, Provape had me send it in anyway, but I know some companies (such as Evolv) WILL NOT do repairs if they don't have the original owner's name. If they hadn't, I would have been out $100 + dollars. Maybe put a price limit on that stipulation as well. Most stuff under $100 probably wouldn't matter as much.

 

[j0ker]

How about a requirement that whoever posts an item up for sale is able to give the full history of owners or a disclaimer that they do not have one. I bought a Provari on here a few weeks ago and it stopped working. PM'd the person I bought it from and they couldn't give me the name of the person it was purchased from. Luckily, Provape had me send it in anyway, but I know some companies (such as Evolv) WILL NOT do repairs if they don't have the original owner's name. If they hadn't, I would have been out $100 + dollars. Maybe put a price limit on that stipulation as well. Most stuff under $100 probably wouldn't matter as much.

This isn't very practical. The best thing for members to do is remember what you are buying is used and unless the seller wants to give you a warranty, the item should be assumed to be "as-is". A supplier shouldn't necessarily be expected to honor a warranty with a third party but a lot of our suppliers do and they should be commended for that.

Having members maintain a history on a device just doesn't seem to be a reasonable requirement. I will say that it would be a good selling point and sellers should consider this when selling their items.

 

[Racehorse]

Provape had me send it in anyway, but I know some companies (such as Evolv) WILL NOT do repairs if they don't have the original owner's name. ave been out $100 + dollars. Maybe put a price limit on that stipulation as well. Most stuff under $100 probably wouldn't matter as much.

They get paid to do the repair. This doesn't make sense to me, JMHO. I brought a refrigerator with me when I moved to this state, and the local repair contractor (who sold the same item) refused to do repairs because I didn't buy it from him. Really bad goodwill for the biz.

Question: I see some classies where I do a search on the member's name, and they have no posts for like a year.....anywhere on the forum........only posts in the classies. And sometimes they are items that you have to wait in line to get, then they pop in here to sell at higher price when they get them. Isn't that like not really being a member, but just using ECF as a selling channel/outlet? And purposely only buying stuff that you know will go out of stock by a modder who only makes limiited runs?

 

[Vchick]

In situations where a warranty is implied, it's probably best to contact the maker/vendor to see how/what they need before purchasing.

In the case of Evolv, Brandon went out of his way to accommodate people that needed repairs. He offered to send them out another unit with the original being returned. Some took advantage of this and never returned their original units. I'm sure you see where I'm going with this......