Classified Suggestions & Questions

[cags]

Separate ares for RBAS, mods, juice etc. i dont like having to go through all the ads when im only looking for RBAs

I don't like having a ton of separate areas! I don't even like the wanteds being separated from the sales. you can search the classifieds for what you are looking for.

 

[tyleris12]

It is against the rules to ask the buyer to pay the fees.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-guidelines-updated-often-without-notice.html
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8. No asking for fees to be paid by the buyer. If you require the buyer to pay the Paypal fees, include this in your asking price on the form to simplify the transaction.

If this occurs, please report it.

Funny you posted this recently Classy, because I was just comming here to ask if this rule had been changed recently due to the high number of sale ads asking for buyers to pay the fees lately...never could figure out why folks don't just figure the approx. fee & include it in the sale price. I bet right now there are at least 4 ads asking buyers to pay the fees.....

 

[Racehorse]

It is against the rules to ask the buyer to pay the fees.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-guidelines-updated-often-without-notice.html
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8. No asking for fees to be paid by the buyer. If you require the buyer to pay the Paypal fees, include this in your asking price on the form to simplify the transaction.

If this occurs, please report it.

Understand. By the time I got to the ad, many items had already been sold. But apparently, I was the only buyer who balked at paying those fees, and once I said so in a PM, the seller added a note to his ad topic. But at about post #20....so I didn't report because it was corrected. The thing is, he knows better....this is a seller who runs co-ops and has almost 40 sales in the classies.

So guess he made a few extra bucks off buyers who also don't know the rules. I would have gone back to every buyer and offered a refund on the undisclosed fees, and posted it right in my ad, if I had "forgotten" to post about them...ahem!


The other seller who was paying too much for shipping and adding it to the cost, I helped. That is always the best case scenario. I taught them how to use on-line postage at Paypal, so they could save $$ and thus save their buyers money too.

 

[purelyscientific]

Anyone posting multiple quantities for sale......this will incur infractions or may even risk a ban.

So this means we can't post multiple quantities of the same item? If so, then why do the rules also say this-

YOU MUST POST YOUR AVAILABLE QUANTITIES !!

Shouldn't buyers just assume the quantity is 1?

This is confusing, are we allowed to sell multiples of the same item or not? Please clarify.

 

[tmcase]

So this means we can't post multiple quantities of the same item? If so, then why do the rules also say this-


Shouldn't buyers just assume the quantity is 1?

This is confusing, are we allowed to sell multiples of the same item or not? Please clarify.

I see people selling multiples of items all the time. They stock up on things they liked at the time and then something better came along and they sell off their stuff. I don't think ECF has a problem with that.

 

[purelyscientific]

Ok thanks, it was the first part about posting multiples will result in an infraction and ban that threw me off.

 

[tmcase]

Ok thanks, it was the first part about posting multiples will result in an infraction and ban that threw me off.

I think you would only get an infraction or banned if they think you are a supplier and not registered.

 

[classwife]

yep... No problem selling off your personal overstocking...but, if the quantities aren't posted, well, you could end up with someone trying to run a business out of the classifieds.

 

[9ball_AJ]

Have you considered a warning to Classifieds members and patrons about exif information in their pictures? Since ECF requires pictures on all for sale/trade ads, I think a warning to members would be appropriate.

Exif information contained in pictures taken with smartphones/tablets and wifi enabled cameras can contain GPS information. Since most users take pictures of items to sell or trade from home, the potential for private information (such as one's home address) to be easily available to anyone viewing the ad is high. Anyone with an exif viewing program or browser plug-in can easily get this information, and I would imagine most, if not all people don't want that info out there for just anyone.

More information on Exif can be found here: EXIF Data Explained | Photography Mad

I would suggest a sticky post in this forum warning users about exif information, and how to strip exif info from the photos they take before posting on the forums.

 

[Racehorse]

Here's a 2 suggestions:

#1 don't post the ad until you actually HAVE photos.
A number of ads lately, hours go by before a photo appears......sometimes even days.

#2 don't "hit and run". i.e., you place an ad, then you go to bed, or otherwise, disappear immediately.

Why not wait til morning or a time when you've got time at computer or on phone and will actually be available to field inquiries and answer questions? the most play an ad usually gets is int the first few hours, when it goes up. That would be the time to maybe hang around.

 

[mike26038]

Here is another idea. Don't delete an items price after it has sold. This is a rule in many forums that I belong to. It helps set a market value for items.

Example. I posted a WTB ad for a Penelope, I however don't know how much to offer, cause when I research the ads, the only amount I see is SOLD.

Now if I can go back and see ten ads asking between $130-160, then that gives me an idea, or if someone asked $200+, we can see that they have been selling for less.

 

[j0ker]

I responded to both of these first two but must not have submitted or something! IDK!

Have you considered a warning to Classifieds members and patrons about exif information in their pictures? Since ECF requires pictures on all for sale/trade ads, I think a warning to members would be appropriate.

Exif information contained in pictures taken with smartphones/tablets and wifi enabled cameras can contain GPS information. Since most users take pictures of items to sell or trade from home, the potential for private information (such as one's home address) to be easily available to anyone viewing the ad is high. Anyone with an exif viewing program or browser plug-in can easily get this information, and I would imagine most, if not all people don't want that info out there for just anyone.

More information on Exif can be found here: EXIF Data Explained | Photography Mad

I would suggest a sticky post in this forum warning users about exif information, and how to strip exif info from the photos they take before posting on the forums.

You'll find that I'm not a fan of stickies. Besides, the first thing you should do if you want someone to ignore what you have to say is, make it a stickie

Here's a 2 suggestions:

#1 don't post the ad until you actually HAVE photos.
A number of ads lately, hours go by before a photo appears......sometimes even days.

#2 don't "hit and run". i.e., you place an ad, then you go to bed, or otherwise, disappear immediately.

Why not wait til morning or a time when you've got time at computer or on phone and will actually be available to field inquiries and answer questions? the most play an ad usually gets is int the first few hours, when it goes up. That would be the time to maybe hang around.

I can't see us requiring someone stick around for ## minutes before you can walk away. Stipulating how and when someone can sell isn't hardly even enforceable.

Here is another idea. Don't delete an items price after it has sold. This is a rule in many forums that I belong to. It helps set a market value for items.

Example. I posted a WTB ad for a Penelope, I however don't know how much to offer, cause when I research the ads, the only amount I see is SOLD.

Now if I can go back and see ten ads asking between $130-160, then that gives me an idea, or if someone asked $200+, we can see that they have been selling for less.

When you post a WTB, you are really at the mercy of the seller. The best thing to do when you consider purchasing a device is to determine cost new and decide to pay +/- 20%. There will be no forcing members not to edit out pricing, it would be near impossible to enforce.

 

[9ball_AJ]

Thanks for your response...

 

[j0ker]

Thanks for your response...

I'm really sorry about the delay....

 

[Absintheur]

I would like to see a mandatory retail price required to be posted. It is profiteering when people buy the so called limited edition Ihybreds only to post them for sale the day they get them in the mail for $400. Same can be said for the $400 price that was recently posted in connection with a Billet Box. It is obvious people are buying these PVs with no desire to use them but only to make a profit on them, really derails the principle of the classifieds.

 

[Catharlex]

I would like to see a mandatory retail price required to be posted. It is profiteering when people buy the so called limited edition Ihybreds only to post them for sale the day they get them in the mail for $400. Same can be said for the $400 price that was recently posted in connection with a Billet Box. It is obvious people are buying these PVs with no desire to use them but only to make a profit on them, really derails the principle of the classifieds.

I can see the good intention in this, but limiting what devices can be sold for (regardless of their rarity) will only push people to use alternative methods to sell their devices. I've considering picking up mods just for resale; it's just the nature of the game and the market.

 

[j0ker]

I would like to see a mandatory retail price required to be posted. It is profiteering when people buy the so called limited edition Ihybreds only to post them for sale the day they get them in the mail for $400. Same can be said for the $400 price that was recently posted in connection with a Billet Box. It is obvious people are buying these PVs with no desire to use them but only to make a profit on them, really derails the principle of the classifieds.

Most members either know or can find the retail price reasonably quickly and also not everything will have a retail value, so we can't make it mandatory. It was discussed during the planning stages and decided it shouldn't be a requirement.

You have the idea, we do not condone profiteering and that's why we have the Profiteering Report form in place. You can see it at the bottom of every ad posted.

I can see the good intention in this, but limiting what devices can be sold for (regardless of their rarity) will only push people to use alternative methods to sell their devices. I've considering picking up mods just for resale; it's just the nature of the game and the market.

Sounds like you haven't read this http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-notice-new-classified-tools-please-read.html. Here in the Classified it isn't just the nature of the game and the market, in fact it's a good way to end your Verified Member status. If profiteers want to screw over members of the community, we encourage them to use alternative methods to sell their devices because we don't want you here! So if you have plans to purchase items to resell for profit, feel free to consider this my invitation to take it somewhere else and sell it.

 

[Racehorse]

Maybe I am not understanding Paypal's position on ecig stuff.

What is the point of trying to NOT let Paypal know we are buying vaping-related stuff----- when sellers in the classies have the actual word "vaper" or "vapor" as the seller once you pay them in their Paypal account?


I've noticed this with a couple of vendors as well........isn't this rather dicey to buy from anyplace w/that word in it? Or is the risk on the seller, not the buyer?

 

[j0ker]

Maybe I am not understanding Paypal's position on ecig stuff.

What is the point of trying to NOT let Paypal know we are buying vaping-related stuff----- when sellers in the classies have the actual word "vaper" or "vapor" as the seller once you pay them in their Paypal account?


I've noticed this with a couple of vendors as well........isn't this rather dicey to buy from anyplace w/that word in it? Or is the risk on the seller, not the buyer?

Ok, so here is the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy found here....https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?...ua/AcceptableUse_full&fli=true&locale.x=en_US

Prohibited Activities
You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:

1. violate any law, statute, ordinance or regulation.
   
2. relate to transactions involving (a) narcotics, steroids, certain controlled substances or other products that present a risk to consumer safety, (b) drug paraphernalia, (c) items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity, (d) stolen goods including digital and virtual goods (e) items that promote hate, violence, racial intolerance, or the financial exploitation of a crime, (f) items that are considered obscene, (g) items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction, (h) certain sexually oriented materials or services, (i) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, or (j) ,certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law.
   
3. relate to transactions that (a) show the personal information of third parties in violation of applicable law, (b) support pyramid or ponzi schemes, matrix programs, other "get rich quick" schemes or certain multi-level marketing programs, (c) are associated with purchases of annuities or lottery contracts, lay-away systems, off-shore banking or transactions to finance or refinance debts funded by a credit card, (d) are for the sale of certain items before the seller has control or possession of the item, (e) are by payment processors to collect payments on behalf of merchants, (f), are associated with the sale of traveler's checks or money orders, (h) involve currency exchanges or check cashing businesses, or (i) involve certain credit repair, debt settlement services, credit transactions or insurance activities.
   
4. involve the sales of products or services identified by government agencies to have a high likelihood of being fraudulent.
   
5. violate applicable laws or industry regulations regarding the sale of (a) tobacco products, or (b) prescription drugs and devices.
   
6. involve gambling, gaming and/or any other activity with an entry fee and a prize, including, but not limited to casino games, sports betting, horse or greyhound racing, lottery tickets, other ventures that facilitate gambling, games of skill (whether or not it is legally defined as a lottery) and sweepstakes unless the operator has obtained prior approval from PayPal and the operator and customers are located exclusively in jurisdictions where such activities are permitted by law.

Take notice of #5. Electronic cigarettes must be some class of product and PayPal places electronic cigarettes in the tobacco class. Yeah I know, we don't consider it a tobacco product but what does that leave us with? A medical device maybe? Then how do you consider it a tobacco product if there's no nicotine? The thing is, it has to fit within one of the categories of product and currently tobacco was their decision.

Now I know it sounds like I accept their choice but I actually don't. I do understand their choice, if nicotine is used, it's most likely derived from tobacco. Sure juices can be bought with no nicotine and maybe there should be an exception for sites that sale only no nicotine products but I don't think there are any to be honest.

The only way to change the policy is to debate the matter with PayPal. I have any email into them now to discuss the matter but as you can probably imagine, it probably will get nowhere but if I receive a response worth sharing, I'll post it here.

So if you know of suppliers using PayPal and they sell any ecig hardware or software, they are skating on thin ice. If they happen to get caught, they will lose their account. As far as vaper and vapor being used in the name, you got to keep in mind that those could easily apply to other things as well, so just because it's our lingo, doesn't mean they will automatically detect it and investigate it. Just my opinion.....

 

[Racehorse]

I have any email into them now to discuss the matter but as you can probably imagine, it probably will get nowhere but if I receive a response worth sharing, I'll post it here.

thank you for speaking out on our behalf, and for trying to make inroads toward better acceptance of our "stuff" w/Paypal.

So if you know of suppliers using PayPal and they sell any ecig hardware or software, they are skating on thin ice. If they happen to get caught, they will lose their account. As far as vaper and vapor being used in the name, you got to keep in mind that those could easily apply to other things as well, so just because it's our lingo, doesn't mean they will automatically detect it and investigate it.

Yes, vaper or vapor can be anything, even aromatherapy stuff.

I still prefer not to have any words like that in my Paypal tranactions though....unless i am purchasing from overseas.