FDA cliff notes on fda?

[DC2]

One situation is dealing with criminals, and the other is dealing with well-intentioned law-abiding citizens.
I've done both, and I know very well the differences, which is why I will never agree with you.

And I would never advocate for any situation where my grandmother had to deal with such choices.

 

[Strings]

I'm kinda curious how much experience/knowledge y'all have of governmental regulatory agencies.

I've dealt with BATFE for years. I'm guessing that, if FDA gets the regulatory authority they want, they will act in a very similar manner. Meaning "capricious and arbitrary"

I've seen rules change to contradict themselves. Definitions rewritten to fit the circumstances. Antagonism and outright thugery on the part of regulatory agents

Some here have mentioned drug laws and gun laws, as well as Prohibition. Those 3 things have one MAJOR difference from vaping: each of them were around for a long time before regulation happened, so they were well entrenched. vaping doesn't have that long history

I'm... cautiously hopeful that FDA will get shut out on this.VERY cautiously, as their gaining regulatory control will mean the end of vaping

 

[Rossum]

I'm... cautiously hopeful that FDA will get shut out on this.VERY cautiously, as their gaining regulatory control will mean the end of vaping

Did the Eighteenth Amendment and the Volstead act bring and end to drinking?

 

[Strings]

Did the Eighteenth Amendment and the Volstead act bring and end to drinking?

Slightly different circumstances. Alcohol was WELL established in society (current theories are that beer appeared around the same time civilization itself did). Point of fact, throughout much of recorded history alcohol was safer to drink than most water.

Vaping, on the other hand, is a very recent thing. While many DIYers might keep going on their stockpiles for awhile after FDA regulatory control is established, I'm thinking most vapers would simply go back to cigarettes (or give up all together).

Same thing for drugs and guns: they have been around in society for ages. Drugs in a similar fashion to alcohol (it could be argued that drug use predates civilization), and guns (in American society) since before the founding of the country

 

[Rossum]

Nicotine has been around for centuries too. Vaping is just a different way to consume it. Regulation might make it less accessible, but end it? No chance. Keep in mind that we have a global marketplace, and that regulations in the US would only affect 5% of that market.

 

[AndriaD]

Nicotine has been around for centuries too. Vaping is just a different way to consume it. Regulation might make it less accessible, but end it? No chance. Keep in mind that we have a global marketplace, and that regulations in the US would only affect 5% of that market.

And there are a pretty good many of us in America who do and will defy STUPID laws as a matter of principle.

But there also seem to be an alarming number of sheep, who will follow rules blindly, without exercising the slightest bit of judgment or discretion -- the "if the gov't says it, it must be right" mentality.

Andria

 

[Jman8]

I'm... cautiously hopeful that FDA will get shut out on this.VERY cautiously, as their gaining regulatory control will mean the end of vaping

There is zero chance that vaping disappears altogether. FDA does not have authority to ban vaping. There will be players in the game who will mass produce. Us die-hards who have tried hundreds of different flavors from dozens of different vendors would feel a pinch (or punch to the face) under a heavily regulated market. But, the vaper who is currently satisfied with their Vuse is likely to wonder what the big deal is when it is just as easy to obtain what they want post regulations.

Plus, a black market will surely exist. Grandma may not go for it in the dark seedy part of town, but I'm thinking vaper that is ultra concerned for grandma will participate in own black market practices and make sure she is getting quality products that are not sold in the legal market. But if under some super duper tightly wound hypothetical situation where grandma can't get any quality vape products, thousands, if not millions of vapers will get products from the black market.

There is literally zero chance that vaping will end.

Perhaps you meant "vaping as we know it" will end. But by this measure, vaping from 2007 as was known then has pretty much ended, or for sure evolved to something that the 2007 folks would not recognize. Not even a decade later, and it has changed monumentally.

 

[Strings]

I suppose "vaping as we know it now" is what I was saying

Yes, it has changed dramatically since '07. But that has mostly been for the good. I'm thinking that FDA getting their claws into vaping will be a drastically bad change

 

[AndriaD]

I suppose "vaping as we know it now" is what I was saying

Yes, it has changed dramatically since '07. But that has mostly been for the good. I'm thinking that FDA getting their claws into vaping will be a drastically bad change

Yes, and to judge from that deeming thing as it currently stands, you'd be entirely right. But already Congress is getting involved, by asking them to change the date from that ridiculous '07 to '14 or the date of the final regulation. I'm as skeptical of Congress as the next tin-foil-hatter, but that's a definite good sign, IMO. It seems to me that Congress isn't going to let them ride roughshod over an emerging billion-dollar industry, if only for the dollar signs in their eyes. And never forget -- those dollars are controlled, budgeted, and doled out by... CONGRESS. The House of Representatives holds the penultimate purse-strings. If they decided not to give anymore money to the FDA... well I guess the FDA would just go the way of the dinosaurs.

Andria