clone of ggts !!!and ufs

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Papa Hoyt

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As long as the barrel is greater than 18 inches in length and the overall lengeth is greater than 26 inches, you are fine. When you go any shorter, you get hit with the NFA $200 USD tax stamp and have to register it as a class 3 weapon basically. My last Class 3 was a Fleming conversion MP5SD so my info may be a little dated.

If you don't tell I won't either..........LOL
 

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It all comes down to Art... Even a master machinist can't be expected to be an artist too. There are many machinists, who are artists, take a look at Handplanes made by Ron Brese, Or any work by George Wilson (he is truly a renaissance man, master machinist, master instrument maker, master woodworker, master period tool maker) These guys machine work and precision is Art, let alone George Wilson's curves on some of his parts. Imeo resides among these master tool makers, in my honest opinion.

The thing that separates the greats from the rest is the idea it started from and the craftsmanship to complete it. Somethings can't be taught, or copied.
 

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Since we're on the subject, this is Betsy, built by me. Thompson Center frame and barrel, rechambered to .38 Special Match Wadcutters, 10" octagonal barrel, full length free floated curly maple stock and forearm. 8oz trigger. I have to reload the ammunition myself because factory ammo doesnt have the precision i want. I measure my gunpowder to a half grain tolerance and every round is miked up to within .005".

She shoots cloverleafs at 50 yards off sandbags if I didn't drink coffee that day.


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To get us back on topic, just because i have the machinery that can make this, and the engineering skills to replicate the GG or anything else doesnt make it right. Its cultural. I've been dying to buy an Iatty. I could borrow one, measure it up and machine one myself but that would take money and food out of other people's mouths. My parents taught me a long time ago that stealing is wrong, whether you do it with a gun, a pen, a computer or a lathe doesnt matter.

Its just bad Karma. Now, lets have a drink!
 

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Aha, another person who thinks like I do on all points listed.


I would say that my use of the phrase having a conscience is what would make you believe I disagree with certain practices of the world.

As far as people that break into houses the only patent I recommend is a Springfield 45ACP but that is another subject altogether. I am not one to promote violence but I am not about to cross a busy street without looking both ways either.

I agree on the change that this world needs, but that is also another discussion for another time. Lets just say my beliefs on that would not be stomached well by most.
 

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Since we're on the subject, this is Betsy, built by me. Thompson Center frame and barrel, rechambered to .38 Special Match Wadcutters, 10" octagonal barrel, full length free floated curly maple stock and forearm. 8oz trigger. I have to reload the ammunition myself because factory ammo doesnt have the precision i want. I measure my gunpowder to a half grain tolerance and every round is miked up to within .005".

She shoots cloverleafs at 50 yards off sandbags if I didn't drink coffee that day.


Betsy2.jpg


IMG_0762.jpg


To get us back on topic, just because i have the machinery that can make this, and the engineering skills to replicate the GG or anything else doesnt make it right. Its cultural. I've been dying to buy an Iatty. I could borrow one, measure it up and machine one myself but that would take money and food out of other people's mouths. My parents taught me a long time ago that stealing is wrong, whether you do it with a gun, a pen, a computer or a lathe doesnt matter.

Its just bad Karma. Now, lets have a drink!


Ahhhhh A fellow TC fan!!! I am more and Encore fan, I like the beefier lock and frame of the Encore over the Contender, although both offerings are a super nice.

Mine is currently set up as a .308 rifle and I have sold off my 22-250 pistol barrel. I am looking to possibly grab up a few more barrels in the future if I can find them. I prefer yard sales and face to face transactions. Estate sales are usually a win as well if it has not had alot of time being announced. Auction houses are a great place to find stuff for the contender as it has been around longer than the Encore.

That has been my experience anyway.

Back to our regularly scheduled thread.
 

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Sorry, Papa, I cannot disagree with you more.

A 45 can go through walls! Good old fashioned sawed off shotgun is what's called for.


Sometimes you have to shoot through walls to get to the person on the other side. No sense in a standoff, especially if they have invaded your home. You can't tape a shotgun to the bottom of a coffee table for quick access.
 

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Springfield 45ACP is a nice solution Papa. We agree here for sure lol

Here's my Springfield .45ACP (in the back) it's an OPERATOR TRP. It's pretty sweet for a production 1911. That 1911 in the front (with lots of holster wear ;) ) Is an Ed Brown Special Forces... Probably the most accurate, reliable combat handgun on the planet. (I'll stake my life on it, it goes with me everywhere, everyday!)

This my friends is the difference between production and art. They are both wonderful machines, but the one that the master craftsman made and fitted by hand... There is NO comparison :D:2cool:

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Don't drool on them too much:hubba:
 

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That is a sweet rig. Real nice. John Moses Browning, he was the Bill Gates of his era. Irony is after the patent ran out, it was copied by every non developed nation. Italy had Beretta, Germans had Walther, Brits had High Power, another Browning design, his last too, finished by his son or brother.

I shoot a Dan Wesson, all SS, Wilson parts its my pin gun

Here's my Springfield .45ACP (in the back) it's an OPERATOR TRP. It's pretty sweet for a production 1911. That 1911 in the front (with lots of holster wear ;) ) Is an Ed Brown Special Forces... Probably the most accurate, reliable combat handgun on the planet. (I'll stake my life on it, it goes with me everywhere, everyday!)

This my friends is the difference between production and art. They are both wonderful machines, but the one that the master craftsman made and fitted by hand... There is NO comparison :D:2cool:

guns.jpg


Don't drool on them too much:hubba:
 

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That is some nice looking gear guys! I became partial to a .40 cal when it was introduced in 1989. The fact that in 4 incidents after I switched to carrying a .40 (from a .357 Mag) in 1990 until my retirement in 2003 that it never failed to produce quick ends to the hostilities is I am sure why I am biased towards that caliber.

Since I became disabled I don't get to the range anymore unless it is requisite to maintain my carry rights but I do miss it. Precision hand loading that Torque mentions was a passion of mine. There's a feeling of personal gratification when you can consistently get clover leafs with you own loads. ;)
 
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