Clone Versus Authentic Discussion

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USMCotaku

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You are totally way off base about generic medications. Before a medication can be made as a generic the patent on the brand name has to run out. Lipitor is a prime example as it's generic is Clopidogrel. It's a substitute for Lipitor. It certainly was not available when Lipitor hit the market. No company would attempt to copy it as we do have rules for R&D companies in this country. If that was not the case no drug company would spend billions of dollars on drugs which can be copied the next day. I was on Lipitor for 5 years and received Lipitor only, now they fill the prescription with Clopidogrel. Pfizer would be out of business if clones were allowed and we wouldn't live as long.


You just proved our point for us.... As these authentics don't have patents.... So thanks for winning the debate, for us.
 

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You are the clone expert. I want to purchase a kayfun Lite clone. The best clone for the best price. I'll be honest about why as I want to take it apart and sand down the chimney on it to see if it is brass underneath or SS. I know the nautilus chimney was advertised as SS and in actuality it was brass and coated with whatever to look like SS. I'll put it together, vape it, and then sand it down.

The EHPro or Infinite seem to be the most popular.
 

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I suppose that depends on one's definition of "specialty", "basic" and "same".

Speaking just for the K4, the auth is made from 316, and I've seen clones advertising themselves as 304.

Yes, most of the clones are 304. I've seen two using 316. I don't even know why I remember these things.
 

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In an atomizer, there is no difference.
The differences would be extreme slight during milling, and unless you were told, you would not know the difference.

I can usually tell, but only because I taught machine trades students for two decades, and spent a lot of time in the shop learning to use the machines. And my grandfather was a tool and die maker.
 

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316 seems to me to be different from 304.

316 is designed primarily to be used in saltwater applications and other high corrosion applications. It is overkill in vaping equipment and can break if dropped when parts are relatively thin, like vaping equipment.

So it's a toss-up really, either is fine, 304 is probably a bit more appropriate but hardly worth discussion; unless you are trying to impress people by saying the corrosion resistance of 316 is relavent; it's not for vaping equipment.

if you still question this, do your own research but you'll end up at the same place.
 
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I can usually tell, but only because I taught machine trades students for two decades, and spent a lot of time in the shop learning to use the machines. And my grandfather was a tool and die maker.

Maybe.
If they are finished/polished the same Id bet you can't.
Maybe a slight difference in color, I don't know.
But in this application, there is no noticeable difference.
Attys shouldn't be stress points or exposed to the elements for extended times.
The differences are irrelevant to vapers.
 

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Maybe.
If they are finished/polished the same Id bet you can't.
Maybe a slight difference in color, I don't know.
But in this application, there is no noticeable difference.
Attys shouldn't be stress points or exposed to the elements for extended times.
The differences are irrelevant to vapers.

Threads are stress points, the worst kind of stress points, ideal stress points in fact. But in the larger scheme of things, the differences are so small that they don't matter for this application; chalk it up to one thing we all seem to agree on; for the moment anyway.

And I'll bet she can tell the difference, experience means a lot.
 
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The only steel made in America and Europe are specialty steels. Vape equipment is not made with specialty steels; fact, undeniable, they are all basic stainless steel, the same stainless steel. Do your homework.

I dont believe that this forum wants us to miss lead people who are seeking information. Forums allow for people who know what they are talking about to chime in. It bothers me when someone claims to be the expert on everything.

Do your homework before you lead people into thinking all SS is the same.

SvoeMesto uses 316L grade stainless steel. Clones 304 grade. What does that mean?

Type 316L stainless steel in a molybdenum bearing austenitic. It is more resistant to general corrosion and pitting than conventional nickel chromium stainless steels such as 302-304. It has the following characteristics:

- Higher creep resistance

- Excellent formability.

- Rupture and tensile strength at high temperatures

- Corrosion and pitting resistance

I don't care how much steel China makes SvoeMesto uses German high grade 316L grade Stainless Steel.
 

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Sometimes. And I've been moving away from them, but yes, lately I've been feeling that way :D


I know right??? Sheesh.. Since some authentic have dropped in price and I've learned to know what to look for in an atty I slowed down with the buying clone to test stuff. Like the aqua. I knew I would love it so I blindly bought the authentic.

But threads like this and the attitude of some, make me wanna go have a clone party, someone call darth Vader!
 

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Do your homework before you lead people into thinking all SS is the same.

SvoeMesto uses 316L grade stainless steel. Clones 304 grade. What does that mean?

Type 316L stainless steel in a molybdenum bearing austenitic. It is more resistant to general corrosion and pitting than conventional nickel chromium stainless steels such as 302-304. It has the following characteristics:

- Higher creep resistance

- Excellent formability.

- Rupture and tensile strength at high temperatures

- Corrosion and pitting resistance

I don't care how much steel China makes SvoeMesto uses German high grade 316L grade Stainless Steel.

I can see that you simply copied (plagiarized) that off the internet. None of it is relevant to vaping equipment. This is another example of someone going way outside of their area of expertise and misleading good-intentioned people coming to this forum to get relavent information. You really should be more considerate to them and everyone else here trying to help.

Oh, by the way, to everyone else here that even cares, he plagiarized the above info off the
Lenntech website, directly (that's illegal) (and immoral). Just copy and paste his text into google, hit search, and you'll see it on their website.

My info and Roxy's info come from experience. We're trying to help people.
 
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