Clone Versus Authentic Discussion
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@luxt888 Err, you do know that buying a clone is not against the law, correct? And their manufacture is not illegal in the countries where they are built? You understand how nations and borders work?
I retract my comment about bad analogies. Didn't realize it was a binary choice between that and coherence. Let's go back to comparing cloned atomizers to stolen cars.
I'm all for fighting clonemakers using sensible strategies based on market realities. Armchair moralizing an economic system just plain doesn't work.
I retract my comment about bad analogies. Didn't realize it was a binary choice between that and coherence. Let's go back to comparing cloned atomizers to stolen cars.
I'm all for fighting clonemakers using sensible strategies based on market realities. Armchair moralizing an economic system just plain doesn't work.
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I would just like to point out that most of my clones are unbranded. I try to find one without the logo if possible, and they are out there. You just have to look a bit harder for them.
Who gives a crap if its branded or not??
Its not like anyone knows what any of this stuff is any way.
Non-vapers have no clue what we are using. So that leaves us. I know I don't care what other peoples stuff says. Please tell me you guys aren't checking me out.
This still leaves the concern over who gets the money.
Its not like anyone knows what any of this stuff is any way.
Non-vapers have no clue what we are using. So that leaves us. I know I don't care what other peoples stuff says. Please tell me you guys aren't checking me out.
This still leaves the concern over who gets the money.
Out of curiosity.
Since most of you said you buy clone for the same quality with a much lower price.
Not for the sake of the brand / label.
Would you buy a clone that is labeled CLONE ?
Same function and design yet bluntly different from the authentic.
Why not show to others you saved money buying clone?
[HASHTAG]#think[/HASHTAG]
Since most of you said you buy clone for the same quality with a much lower price.
Not for the sake of the brand / label.
Would you buy a clone that is labeled CLONE ?
Same function and design yet bluntly different from the authentic.
Why not show to others you saved money buying clone?
[HASHTAG]#think[/HASHTAG]
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?? Whoever said about law for clones an all? Read my post. I am saying the creation of law to tamed bad morale people in general.
This already happens with logoless clones.
And unless there's a language barrier issue, your earlier post was definitely implying that buying clones is illicit or should be illicit. And that's not an approach that works. Neither is attempting to make the issue a moral one. It's an economics question that demands an economics answer. It can't be solved by a legal, philosophical, or religious grandstanding. That's like answering a math problem with an essay.
Like it or not, feel that it's morally unjustifiable or perfectly natural, it's going to keep happening unless manufacturers furnish a solution that addresses the problem. It's already started happening to some extent, with more authentics filling the mid range price point that used to be vacant, and some high end innovators supplying a product that also plugs the same gap. It's changing for the better and its going to get harder for the clone companies and we'll all have a more full range of options. Just think for a moment--how many authentic options did someone vaping a year ago have to buy in the $25-50 range other than clones? How many do we have now? Who's business is that taking a chunk out of? And what companies that used to produce only clones are now trying their hand at original items? Why do you think they're doing that now? It's because there are now middle market authentics that aren't profitable to clone--so now they need authentic pieces to compete for the price point they used to dominate!
That's progress. You don't get that by telling people that something they're doing is wrong, you get that by filling the need that drives the behavior in a way that rewards the right people--the folks driving the innovation and the consumers driving the demand. That's the only way to win the clone wars!
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Sorry for the numerous edits. That was a longish post.
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Well if people have understanding and good morale of how business work, they should know buying clone is hurting the industry. Yes hope more authentic can venture into the lower-end market. But will it totally stop the clone market?
Authentic A is priced @ $25
Authentic B is priced @$95 with a better spec
then come along
Clone of authentic B 1:1 quality priced @$25
Authentic A vs Clone B .. Which are the ongoing clone buyers will buy? Same price, better spec product. What comes down to it?
I don't think it will wipe it out, but it sure is going to continue to get better for consumers. And at the end of the day thats what we need to care about. There's always going to be rogue companies but its going to get harder for them, and if there are authentics out there in the middle market range who cares if someone somewhere is doing something you don't approve of? That's a hard way to live life! Just rejoice that now there actually are great products that are original at the price point we want! And if you get a kick out of schadenfraude then tingle with glee that its harder to be a clonemaker today than it ever was and its just going to get harder. Personally, I don't give a damn. Just happy to finally have choices.
And my bet is that more and more clonemakers are going to update their product lines with original creations as it gets harder and harder to undercut the Youde's, Cthulhus, Aromamizers, etc etc etc. So good for them too! That's great! More choice for us.
And my bet is that more and more clonemakers are going to update their product lines with original creations as it gets harder and harder to undercut the Youde's, Cthulhus, Aromamizers, etc etc etc. So good for them too! That's great! More choice for us.
What it comes down to with your example is this
Authentic A @ $25
Authentic B @ $95
B Clone @ $25
What are you going to buy? I know I'll buy the authentic. Because clones are notorious for being a lottery betting against shoddy craftsmanship, poor threading, current shorting issues, etc.
Authentic A @ $25
Authentic B @ $95
B Clone @ $25
What are you going to buy? I know I'll buy the authentic. Because clones are notorious for being a lottery betting against shoddy craftsmanship, poor threading, current shorting issues, etc.
Yes @hyprocritelecteur +1 for those companies that made great original products for the lower end of the spectrum. I just hope this industry will get bigger. More innovations and products that target more wider price range without having to resort buying clones. Hope this lead to more b&m that carries hands on sample, try before buy. To kill those who buy clones to try before buying authentic.
Yeah, that's the last big hurtle and its a harder one. Personally I think if we push clones into mostly that zone then there's not really a problem. In actual effect it's kind of like outsourced unauthorized marketing for authentic high end pieces. It's not hurting sales, and its probably cheaper than giving every B&M store worldwide a free try before you buy piece that will get stolen.
It's still parasitic, but is it a problem? It's like the bacteria that eat our farts in our intestinal track. Sure, they're getting a free ride, but it's kind of helpful for everyone that they're there.
I would buy the authentic for support of their creation.
Even if the clone is 1:1 perfectly machined, i wouldn't bother.
If its way out of my budget, i would save up till i have that money.
If its out of stock or no longer in production, well too bad, wait for it to come out in 2nd hand trading
When i am done with it. Sell it. Good authentic have a good resale value.
Rare authentic can even make you a profit
Vaping is a very small community and hopefully growing. Our support in keeping the industry clean goes a long way.
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A lot of Clones today are made just as good as the authentis. Threads and all.
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A lot of Clones today are made just as good as the authentis. Threads and all.
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