Clone Versus Authentic Discussion

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xpen

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The huge pro about clones is the chance to try out things with a reasonable/low economic commitment.
Paying a few hundred bucks only to find out that you - subjectively - don't like that specific mod/atom/whatever is a piss poor way of approaching the problem.
If on the other hand you liked the clone, well the original can only be the same, or better - so it becomes a safe investment.
 
This is the only industry in the world that created a politically correct term to make people feel morally ok with buying counterfeit products. COUNTERFEIT. A clone is a genetically identical reproduction of a living organism not a counterfeit vape product. COUNTERFEIT. I no longer care to debate or argue about it. People who are the type who buy counterfeit products arent going to be swayed by me telling them they are stifling innovation and supporting not the vaping industry but the illegal economy in the capital of counterfeit, Shenzen China. COUNTERFEIT. #clonesheepnotmods #SupportVapingNotTaiping (Taiping is a city in China just to make sure everyone gets how clever that hashtag is)

Boy, you said it all. Vaping is new market, and American ingenuity rules it. I can respect a Chinese company like Hcigar, at least they appear to have their own R + D and their box mods show pride of craftmanship. Not really a clone, but a legal Chinese manufactured device. But have you looked inside the POS VF DNA 40 clones from China? They're horrible, and if they last 6 months I'll be surprised. Loads of defects, and the clone loving public embraces the ripoffs. They actually convince themselves that their cheap Chinese knockoff works BETTER than the Authentic USA device, which is insane. They believe all the writing on the website, when we all know they'll say anything to sell you the garbage their producing. The inside looks like it was built by a kid with a hot glue gun, and its cheap and they feel they'll replace it when it breaks in five months. Support the USA, buy made in America products, and let Americans have jobs with dignity, and stop buying retrofitted crap that comes out a week after the original. If you can't afford it now, save your money and buy it wheen you can afford it, or don't buy it at all.
 

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Guarantee it? How do you explain it where on FastTech you have basically two identical devices, one with a logo and one without a logo, and generally the logo version will sell equally well if not better than the logo-less version?

P. Busardo recently went to a 'clone' shop. Customers want the logos...


 

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they are stifling innovation and supporting not the vaping industry but the illegal economy in the capital of counterfeit,

So please, do go on how say, Yiloong and their Foggers are straight up, cheap counterfits of another identical atty that ended up only costing a fraction of your standard authentic.

Have you ever worked in a machine shop? Have you ever cut threads? Have you ever gotten off your ivory tower and used your hands on a lathe to turn a mod? Use a CNC machine? CAD/CAM designware? Do you know what a thread mill is?

You do realize that, for essentially a little trinket/piece of functional art, the ONLY thing that matters is the end result and price, right? Your efficiency in creating the product is entirely your problem, that your customers really don't know nor care about.

I went through a similar problem with my photo business - I get paid only an X amount for a given shoot, and if I want to attract the general mass of customers, the time it takes me to process and develop all the photos is MY problem. No client will pay extra just because it took me extra effort or some hiccups. So designers of expensive authentics could well contract some efficient factory to create enough of their product to whatever spec desired, like what Eciggity did with Ehpro for the Billow.

Then lets look at some of the plain, exactly-the-same looking simple 18650 tube mech mods. Authentic is just a plain, smooth metal tube with a button; a clone is the same exact thing. No real innovation in either, but what's the point of spending upwards of $100 more for a minor QC difference if that? It's easier to argue say, Smok Magneto vs a clone, it's only $30 difference for a more premium feel and same exact function.

Support the USA, buy made in America products, and let Americans have jobs with dignity, and stop buying retrofitted crap that comes out a week after the original. If you can't afford it now, save your money and buy it wheen you can afford it, or don't buy it at all.

Thing is, if your product sits at a sky-high price while being aimed at the primary consumer mass, you'll have more stock than sales regardless of patriotism. Plus it's not like as an inventor of 1 piece of gear and access to the machinery you'd create enough new jobs for people, that some customers only buy once in a blue moon.
 
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Because I said so... Just pointing out the facts and that you had something about apple or iphone in you comments or signature when I wrote that. :)

Quite on topic indeed if you look at how well the 2 saturated the market. Rather a less expensive, more expansive modern phone than either $800 premium with dumbed down features/potential or an old flip moto.
 

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Nowadays, you're likely better off buying an authentic China product for cheap over buying a clone of something. The big things right now are sub-ohm tanks and regulated devices, both of which China makes widely available and at a low price.

I find myself using my iStick over my authentic rDNA40 regularly and the Lemo beats out every other tank in the market IMO, and that combination costs about $60.
 

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Nowadays, you're likely better off buying an authentic China product for cheap over buying a clone of something. The big things right now are sub-ohm tanks and regulated devices, both of which China makes widely available and at a low price.

I find myself using my iStick over my authentic rDNA40 regularly and the Lemo beats out every other tank in the market IMO, and that combination costs about $60.

What are these "authentic China products" you mention? Thinking about getting a Cloupor Mini clone. Know anything about those?
 

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I don't understand how people have it stuck in their had that it hurts the industry so much. If anything it helps it as more often than not it's making popular products available to a broader spectrum of social stratification. Still waiting for authentic company's to realize the fact that people are making 1:1 clones at less than half the price so they start putting a more realistic price tag on the items. But that's not happening. Why? Because theirs obviously still enough demand. In some cases a clone needs to be sold 4-5 times to match the profits of the original. So really, they aren't making out on top.

Besides, let's think about this for a second. If someone can't afford a Russian or something and say clones weren't available what would they do? Buy something else! The authentic manufacturer still misses out anyway. I own both, and I have a problem with neither. I do have issues with clones using authentic branding because that opens the door for the seller to pass it off at authentic costs. And it does happen, a lot.
 
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