Clone Versus Authentic Discussion

[Mtek]

Oh, someone asked if a k4 were $80 would I buy it? Yes. I wouldn't lose much reselling if I didn't like it. And I consider that a reasonable price.

A lot of my authentics have been bought used or during a sale. Or through a trade.

Ya know, I think if it came under a hundsky many more would have it. It's not just the price, but the thought of going over 100 is out of a comfort zone many have, whether they have the means or not.

I will say this, mine came from intaste at like 144-145, and several months later I bet I could sell it for 100-110 in the classies within 48 hrs. I guess that's one good thing for the low production for those who have them. I'm with you on 80 dollars though, I'd buy another for that.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Oh, someone asked if a k4 were $80 would I buy it? Yes. I wouldn't lose much reselling if I didn't like it. And I consider that a reasonable price.

A lot of my authentics have been bought used or during a sale. Or through a trade.

Most of my high dollar attys were bought through a friend of mine that owns a shop. I get a good deal on the popular high dollar stuff and pay internet price for the amod class of drippers. But, I'm lucky to have that opportunity if it weren't for that. I would probably not be a hobbyist vapor. Hahaha

 

[roxynoodle]

I'm not gonna get sucked into it. Especially when he's behaving to ignorant to find out that all the hardware I use are authentic. Hence, the statement that 'there is a difference.'. I just don't see pushing my personal feelings onto someone else as worthwhile.

That militant attitude is exactly what's wrong with "the community."
Lets bash everyone, so that everyone sees us as cranky exsmokers that need to go back to big tobacco, so that they get along.

Agree. I just got bashed because I helped someone with choosing her first RTA, and she chose a clone. I don't give morals lessons or tell people how to spend their money.

What they don't know is I spent morning, noon and night for 3 weeks helping, and showed her every atty I could think of that would work well with her Provaris. But, I didn't choose it for her. And she was new to RTAs. Not to vaping or this forum. She joined the same month I did.

Once she chose it, I taught her how to build it.

I felt good that I helped her, but according to some here, I'm now the worst person in the world. Yep, great community we have here sometimes. Now that she knows she can do it maybe she will chose a high end authentic for her next one. After all, she's using Provaris, not egos.

By the way, she's 60 years old, not 12. Her morals are probably pretty set at this point.

 

[Mtek]

Lets bash everyone, so that outsiders sees us as cranky exsmokers that need to go back to big tobacco, so that they get along.

My Marlb lights are way better than your Basic lights. J/K, I know what your saying.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

It's just exhausting


















But are they as good as my Winstons?

Lmao



Seriously its exhausting, all that kind of BS, made me take a 5-6 month hiatus from ECF, then two or three days after I'm back the same BS..... Can't wait for some to hit puberty

 

[roxynoodle]

My Dodge can eat your Ford or Chevy, lol!

And its Marb reds.

 

[roxynoodle]

You know what else is funny? I think half my clones have been gifts

And once I buy the authentic, or just didn't care for them that much, I give them to other members unless I need them for spare parts. Ok, and I like the Roses so much, I use all of them. That drives some nuts as well. OMG, she bought the authentic, but is still using her clones! Why not if I like them?

When I sold my SquapeR, I gave the 1:1 clone to the buyer for spare parts. Everything fit the authentic. Considering how hard it is to get stuff for it, he agreed it was handy to have in an emergency.

 

[WillyZee]

Most of my high dollar attys were bought through a friend of mine that owns a shop. I get a good deal on the popular high dollar stuff and pay internet price for the amod class of drippers. But, I'm lucky to have that opportunity if it weren't for that. I would probably not be a hobbyist vapor. Hahaha

I bought all my authentics, used from the classies ... I want them to have longevity in case things go sour.

 

[USMCotaku]

Agree. I just got bashed because I helped someone with choosing her first RTA, and she chose a clone. I don't give morals lessons or tell people how to spend their money.

What they don't know is I spent morning, noon and night for 3 weeks helping, and showed her every atty I could think of that would work well with her Provaris. But, I didn't choose it for her. And she was new to RTAs. Not to vaping or this forum. She joined the same month I did.

Once she chose it, I taught her how to build it.

I felt good that I helped her, but according to some here, I'm now the worst person in the world. Yep, great community we have here sometimes. Now that she knows she can do it maybe she will chose a high end authentic for her next one. After all, she's using Provaris, not egos.

By the way, she's 60 years old, not 12. Her morals are probably pretty set at this point.

I say ya did a good thing, for what that's worth

 

[Fir3b1rd]

I bought all my authentics, used from the classies ... I want them to have longevity in case things go sour.

My usual deal is I buy the clone first, try it and if it has potential I'll get the authentic. The erlkonigin was the exception to the rule, they cloned themselves with the erlprinze so no reason to go clone.



Granted 120 is my point for clone, if the authentic is 120 or under I'll buy the authentic and sell it if its not going to see use. If its over 120, the clone is the guinne pig . I need money for my cloned beer, Coors lt.

In the end, I either pif the clone or use it on a beater setup and the authentic stays in tiptop shape.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Agree. I just got bashed because I helped someone with choosing her first RTA, and she chose a clone. I don't give morals lessons or tell people how to spend their money.

What they don't know is I spent morning, noon and night for 3 weeks helping, and showed her every atty I could think of that would work well with her Provaris. But, I didn't choose it for her. And she was new to RTAs. Not to vaping or this forum. She joined the same month I did.

Once she chose it, I taught her how to build it.

I felt good that I helped her, but according to some here, I'm now the worst person in the world. Yep, great community we have here sometimes. Now that she knows she can do it maybe she will chose a high end authentic for her next one. After all, she's using Provaris, not egos.

By the way, she's 60 years old, not 12. Her morals are probably pretty set at this point.

That's awesome!

 

[becosemsaida]

27 pages (and counting for sure) with a topic that is only creating a mess !!!!

I always thought that the point of vaping was to keep of the analogs, maybe i'm getting old???

Ok, i have both originals and clones and YES i use them all. If i find it worth the money i wil buy authentic but if needed i will buy a clone, simple.

Talking about labour wages, patents, developments etc. etc...... People we are vapers, we made it getting of the analogs with clones or authentics, we are all winners !!

Most of the stuff we use nowadays is made in China, copied from some other that made it first... talking about household items NOT vaping stuff... We all pay top money for chinese stuff.

There is a market for all, respect that....

Now i know that there are people that can understand my point and others that are going to ignore this but just for fun: How many items you have that aren't made in China???? How many branded items are made in China and you still pay high prices for them?? You think that they are getting paid top wages just to make items for brand A or B??? If you doubt me take a look at Apple...... Are those clones... YES just branded with the logo... And i could go on and on but what's the point... As long there is a demand for cheap stuff there will always be clones, vaping stuff or not !!!

beco

 

[roxynoodle]

My usual deal is I buy the clone first, try it and if it has potential I'll get the authentic. The erlkonigin was the exception to the rule, they cloned themselves with the erlprinze so no reason to go clone.



Granted 120 is my point for clone, if the authentic is 120 or under I'll buy the authentic and sell it if its not going to see use. If its over 120, the clone is tue guinne pig . I need money for mu cloned beer, Coors lt.

In the end, I either pif the clone or use it on a beater setup and the authentic stays in tiptop shape.

I do the same. My high end stuff stays home. I take isticks and clones/cheap authentics out and about.

Just wondering if anyone gets angry with those who buy generic/rebranded Fruit Loops or plastic wrap? My insurance company will not pay for a brand name prescription drug if there is any possibility of substituting generics. They left me hanging in limbo for days with a very serious case of colitis while they argued with my doctor over an antibiotic. In the end he had to prescribe me 3 generics to make up for the one I really needed.

 

[Sirius]

Bronze..Morality issue? As far as I'm concerned authentics are all the same..as far as mechanicals go..There's a button on the bottom of a tube,..and a 510 on the other end. Over priced battery tubes with fancy logos..I own just one .. my very first mech mod..a cloned King,..and it's almost two years old,..and still works perfectly.
If someone can't fork over alost $200 for an authentic,..and vaping keeps them from smoking,..clones may have saved a a life.

In all actuality mods like the Sig100 watt,..150watt,..50 and 30 are priced reasonably well..Under $100..REO's Mods are priced pretty good as well..I just got a Vulcan atty for the Sig..it's authentic and I payed just under $60...I have a problem with modders putting something together and just because it's got their logo and a serial number on it,..charge three times it's worth..Now the Dibi's,..other squonkers,.. and VV or mechanicals that are hand crafted works of art..$300 to $400 and up....way out of most peoples reach. Like the Provape V2 and V3...imo over priced for the privilege of owning a VV PV with a fancy name and a good warranty..but some folks swear by them..I'll never know as my Sig100 performs well..and if I do ever replace it..it will be with another Sigelei product.
If you don't like clones..simply do not use them..If it's all that you can afford and they keep you off of cigarettes,..that's your business. After all,..was it not the record players and portable AM/FM radios that were the first USA made products to be cloned in Japan? What's the difference..I had several Sony amps,..tuners,..and cassette players.

 

[Sirius]

I do the same. My high end stuff stays home. I take isticks and clones/cheap authentics out and about.

Just wondering if anyone gets angry with those who buy generic/rebranded Fruit Loops or plastic wrap? My insurance company will not pay for a brand name prescription drug if there is any possibility of substituting generics. They left me hanging in limbo for days with a very serious case of colitis while they argued with my doctor over an antibiotic. In the end he had to prescribe me 3 generics to make up for the one I really needed.

Good analogy Roxynoodle..and I like those big bags of cloned Sugar Smacks meself!

 

[Fir3b1rd]

I do the same. My high end stuff stays home. I take isticks and clones/cheap authentics out and about.



Just wondering if anyone gets angry with those who buy generic/rebranded Fruit Loops or plastic wrap? My insurance company will not pay for a brand name prescription drug if there is any possibility of substituting generics. They left me hanging in limbo for days with a very serious case of colitis while they argued with my doctor over an antibiotic. In the end he had to prescribe me 3 generics to make up for the one I really needed.

Recently? Is it Obama care? A clone of real health insurance.

-couldn't help it. I've had the same dealings.

 

[roxynoodle]

Recently? Is it Obama care? A clone of real health insurance.

-couldn't help it. I've had the same dealings.

No, it is one of our huge companies. 1.5 years ago.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

No, it is one of our huge companies. 1.5 years ago.

Lol.... I was totally kidding. Thanks to an insurance company I have to get one of my meds from 2 different manufactures in order to get a full months supply

 

[roxynoodle]

Lol.... I was totally kidding. Thanks to an insurance company I have to get one of my meds from 2 different manufactures in order to get a full months supply

Well, insurance companies aren't run any more sensibly than some of the people here Or maybe they are run by the same people

Some people need drama. Some need to put others down to feel better about themselves. Some need to show off. This forum pretty much is the same as the world in general.

I guess the simple fact is that the older and sicker I get, the more I don't like people.

Maybe reading about what interests you, or helping other vapers is boring to some.

 

[RebelGolfer72]

I've also done the try a clone before I buy authentic before. Still do on occasion. My clones that suck forme get PIF'd or. Thrown in asbonusdeals when I sell something. Don't,oon down on anybody using a clone. Rather see them using a clone than a Marlboro!

Here is on, though for the militant anti-clone crowd.... Is it a bigger sin to deface/ modify a rare authentic, or to actually have a lone, knowing you are going to modify t heavily?