Clone Versus Authentic Discussion

[Fir3b1rd]

I couldn't bring myself to put a dremmel or a file to a 100+ piece of vape gear.

 

[stevegmu]

27 pages (and counting for sure) with a topic that is only creating a mess !!!!

I always thought that the point of vaping was to keep of the analogs, maybe i'm getting old???

Ok, i have both originals and clones and YES i use them all. If i find it worth the money i wil buy authentic but if needed i will buy a clone, simple.

Talking about labour wages, patents, developments etc. etc...... People we are vapers, we made it getting of the analogs with clones or authentics, we are all winners !!

Most of the stuff we use nowadays is made in China, copied from some other that made it first... talking about household items NOT vaping stuff... We all pay top money for chinese stuff.

There is a market for all, respect that....

Now i know that there are people that can understand my point and others that are going to ignore this but just for fun: How many items you have that aren't made in China???? How many branded items are made in China and you still pay high prices for them?? You think that they are getting paid top wages just to make items for brand A or B??? If you doubt me take a look at Apple...... Are those clones... YES just branded with the logo... And i could go on and on but what's the point... As long there is a demand for cheap stuff there will always be clones, vaping stuff or not !!!

beco

I actually own very few things made in PRC. Pretty much just iProducts and certain electronics. Oddly, none of them are counterfeits. I have Apple iPhones, not Tobecco iPhones. Maybe I should buy a fake iWatch from chinabuye. The real one is expensive and I deserve to have one at a fraction of the price...

 

[USMCotaku]

Well, insurance companies aren't run any more sensibly than some of the people here Or maybe they are run by the same people

Some people need drama. Some need to put others down to feel better about themselves. Some need to show off. This forum pretty much is the same as the world in general.

I guess the simple fact is that the older and sicker I get, the more I don't like people.

Maybe reading about what interests you, or helping other vapers is boring to some.

I started out not liking people.... And 90% of the people I've met don't prove me wrong
I guess it's all worth it to know the 10% who surprise me

 

[USMCotaku]

I actually own very few things made in PRC. Pretty much just iProducts and certain electronics. Oddly, none of them are counterfeits. I have Apple iPhones, not Tobecco iPhones. Maybe I should buy a fake iWatch from chinabuye. The real one is expensive and I deserve to have one at a fraction of the price...

Bet you have more PRC stuff then you think.
To steal your analogy, and apply for line of reasoning to it..... There should be no cheap smartphones, we should all be happy paying out the nose for an iPhone or Samsung, and if you can't afford one, you should just be happy with an old brick phone, cause you can make calls on it after all.

 

[stevegmu]

Bet you have more PRC stuff then you think.
To steal your analogy, and apply for line of reasoning to it..... There should be no cheap smartphones, we should all be happy paying out the nose for an iPhone or Samsung, and if you can't afford one, you should just be happy with an old brick phone, cause you can make calls on it after all.

No. I actually look where things are made before I buy them...

There are plenty of cheap smart phones; they are sold under their own name, packaging, appearance, not as iPhone 'clones'...

 

[roxynoodle]

Nobody is answering my question about whether generic/rebranded cereal, plastic wrap or pharmeceuticals are ok.

Verizon gave me my Samsung free. I didn't realize they were expensive phones ? You could have the previous model iphone free, too.

 

[Sirius]

Nobody is answering my question about whether generic/rebranded cereal, plastic wrap or pharmeceuticals are ok.

Verizon gave me my Samsung free. I didn't realize they were expensive phones ? You could have the previous model iphone free, too.

I'll answer that one,..sure cloned cereal is okay...My thinking is,..you buy the box when you buy Sugar Smacks,..and the cereal in a bag with Malt 'O' Meal...Tootie Fruities insted of a box of Fruit Loops.

*ducks from swooping pissedoff Toucan Sam!

 

[stevegmu]

Nobody is answering my question about whether generic/rebranded cereal, plastic wrap or pharmeceuticals are ok.

Verizon gave me my Samsung free. I didn't realize they were expensive phones ? You could have the previous model iphone free, too.

Are the examples you gave sold under the same name, packaging and appearance of the original? Last I checked, generics can be sold as 'compares to' or equivalent to' items, but not as exact copies...

 

[roxynoodle]

I have another question for folks here. Are you still upset if its a clone (no logos/writing) or is it just the counterfits (fake logo, etc).

And for those who have bought clones/counterfeits, would you still buy them if they had no logo? I sure would, and wish I always could. When I suggested things like the cutout design on a Stingray X could be changed to another nice looking design for a clone, a friend told me no one would buy them, but I don't think that's true.

 

[stevegmu]

I have another question for folks here. Are you still upset if its a clone (no logos/writing) or is it just the counterfits (fake logo, etc).

And for those who have bought clones/counterfeits, would you still buy them if they had no logo? I sure would, and wish I always could. When I suggested things like the cutout design on a Stingray X could be changed to another nice looking design for a clone, a friend told me no one would buy them, but I don't think that's true.

If you watch P. Busardo's last segment on his China visit, he asks the 'clone' sweat shop boss the same question. People want the name, packaging, logos, design...

 

[roxynoodle]

Are the examples you gave sold under the same name, packaging and appearance of the original? Last I checked, generics can be sold as 'compares to' or equivalent to' items, but not as exact copies...

Sort of. Fruity Loops instead of Fruit Loops. Things like paper products are darn close. Generic pharmaceuticals say, "Compare to _______".

So would you be ok then with non logoed clones or if they said "Tobeco" or whoever?

 

[roxynoodle]

If you watch P. Busardo's last segment on his China visit, he asks the 'clone' sweat shop boss the same question. People want the name, packaging, logos, design...

But, do they? Or do the cloners just think we do? I don't. I've never once tried to pretend anything I have isn't what it really is. People who do have issues.

 

[stevegmu]

Sort of. Fruity Loops instead of Fruit Loops. Things like paper products are darn close. Generic pharmaceuticals say, "Compare to _______".

So would you be ok then with non logoed clones or if they said "Tobeco" or whoever?

They are close, but dissimilar enough to be sold legally in the US.
If they copy the general design and sell them under their own name, not as a 'clone' of something else, I don't think many would have an issue. I wouldn't care...

 

[stevegmu]

But, do they? Or do the cloners just think we do? I don't. I've never once tried to pretend anything I have isn't what it really is. People who do have issues.

The 'cloners' copy what the vendors send them. You haven't seen the video? It is very enlightening...

 

[ricks]

I have another question for folks here. Are you still upset if its a clone (no logos/writing) or is it just the counterfits (fake logo, etc).

And for those who have bought clones/counterfeits, would you still buy them if they had no logo? I sure would, and wish I always could. When I suggested things like the cutout design on a Stingray X could be changed to another nice looking design for a clone, a friend told me no one would buy them, but I don't think that's true.

I would rather my Tobecos be unbranded. No logo at all would look so much nicer.

 

[Sirius]

I have another question for folks here. Are you still upset if its a clone (no logos/writing) or is it just the counterfits (fake logo, etc).

And for those who have bought clones/counterfeits, would you still buy them if they had no logo? I sure would, and wish I always could. When I suggested things like the cutout design on a Stingray X could be changed to another nice looking design for a clone, a friend told me no one would buy them, but I don't think that's true.

Not at all..Sandpaper is cheap,..and that is just what I did with the Lion w/Crown on the King and the Bomb on the firing button..Sanded it all off.

Logo still somewhat visible when this photo was took..It's all gone now.

 

[Mtek]

Roxynoodle, I see things diff than you in this area but I think you're great and a helpful member of the forum. Do what makes you happy, my opinion is mine, and I hope I have not offended you or anyone.

 

[roxynoodle]

I know what they told Busardo. I suspect though, its more the Chinese culture who wants to walk around with fake Nikes, fake attys, and whatever. They may have projected that onto the rest of the world, thinking we all do. I'm just exploring what ECF members think about that. I'm a curious person. I often ask questions like this, and yes, sometimes stir the pot a bit to see what's in the soup.

Sometimes the questions I ask aren't necessarily my views either as I'm trying to explore others' views.

I will add that one thing I like that the Chinese do is offer more colors. I wonder how many people bought, say a k 4 since they seem to be the hot topic, because it was black? Would Svoemesto have gotten some of the clone sales if they also had black ones? Maybe not, but I think there's at least a possibility. I just got an EHPro Mini Buddha, and a day later I found out black ones will be available next week. I would rather have had a black one.

 

[roxynoodle]

Roxynoodle, I see things diff than you in this area but I think you're great and a helpful member of the forum. Do what makes you happy, my opinion is mine, and I hope I have not offended you or anyone.

No, of course not . You've always been polite, and can discuss things like adults should. You don't call people names or insinuate they are mentally deficient.

I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me. Each of us has the right to have our own mind. Its what makes us who we are. Its rude and childish behavior that I object to most of all.

 

[Sirius]

I know what they told Busardo. I suspect though, its more the Chinese culture who wants to walk around with fake Nikes, fake attys, and whatever. They may have projected that onto the rest of the world, thinking we all do. I'm just exploring what ECF members think about that. I'm a curious person. I often ask questions like this, and yes, sometimes stir the pot a bit to see what's in the soup.

Sometimes the questions I ask aren't necessarily my views either as I'm trying to explore others' views.

I will add that one thing I like that the Chinese do is offer more colors. I wonder how many people bought, say a k 4 since they seem to be the hot topic, because it was black? Would Svoemesto have gotten some of the clone sales if they also had black ones? Maybe not, but I think there's at least a possibility. I just got an EHPro Mini Buddha, and a day later I found out black ones will be available next week. I would rather have had a black one.

I was very disappointed in the EHPro Billow I got..The threads were shoddy and the screws for the posts were wonky as hell..I used their authentic a couple of times and it now sits in a box somewhere..I think maybe they should just stick to clones..They really do a good job on their Atomics.