"Clones" are actually the REAL THING
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good video on counterfeit and clone Watch Counterfeit Culture online | Free | Hulu
Can't vape those, so the answer is no....
Oh really...
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I had a fake LV wallet my sister got me when she was on a holiday in a third world country. I lost it. Now I have a real one. I better not lose it. It cost more than a nemmy and trident. Shame that the genuine LV doesn't seem better than the fake, in any way. I'd expect it to be quite a different case with cloned mechs. I'm pissing all the way from Australia
Has anyone considered that when you buy an original, you're also paying for customer service and support? VapeHead Origins is a perfect example... I'm a member of all three groups on Facebook (Tech Support, Merchandise, and the USA group) and the level of support they offer to people who own their products is simply amazing. If anything goes wrong (replacement parts, refinishing, or just plain questions) they will do it, usually for a minimal fee. Whenever I've had a question about my Titan, Cronus or Helios, it's answered within an hour on their Facebook pages. I highly doubt Beauticig (who makes the Lavafire Lock, a Titan/Cronus clone) would offer that kind of support.
A while ago VHO did a sort of fundraiser, and donated a portion of funds from their products to the victims of the earthquake in the Philippines. Once again, I highly doubt a Chinese company that makes counterfeits, or even clones for that matter, would do that. VHO is a company I would want to support, even if their products are expensive.
A while ago VHO did a sort of fundraiser, and donated a portion of funds from their products to the victims of the earthquake in the Philippines. Once again, I highly doubt a Chinese company that makes counterfeits, or even clones for that matter, would do that. VHO is a company I would want to support, even if their products are expensive.
Considering you're using that metal tube all day, every day, I'd say the likelihood of needing support sometime in the future is relatively high. Mechanisms fail, threads wear down, and most metals are not chemically inert. This is particularly relevant for aluminum mods such as the Titan.
Pff clones/copies suck.
now excuse me while I head to walmart. My favorite Reebok look a likes are only 5 bucks this week.
and gonna get some of those Great Month tires for the car before i forget.(goodyear is too expensive)
now excuse me while I head to walmart. My favorite Reebok look a likes are only 5 bucks this week.
and gonna get some of those Great Month tires for the car before i forget.(goodyear is too expensive)
This is what im telling people.
Let's say a Rebook original = 70 bucks
You only have 10 bucks to spend. What would you buy?
Reebok look a like (diff brand) = 5 bucks
Reebok exact replica = 5 bucks
Let you all decide.
If you would be a smartass and say save up and buy the original, by all means go. You can also be sarcastic if you want, I mean if you really have that low of an IQ to understand a simple question and situation then I dont have a problem with it.
PS: Not referring to the poster who I quoted lol.
If this was for me, im sorry, i just couldnt find any other word to replace "smarta--" but i havent referred to anyone or pointed someone out specifically but i still am sorry.
Ugh, I can't believe I am going to post in here again. Cloning/reverse engineering/bootlegging/counterfeiting all hurt the industry. When you have a great idea, and many of these atomizers use some serious innovation, and someone copies it to sell for 1/3 the price, all while cutting corners to do so it does two things:
1) Reduces the likelihood of that designer/engineer putting 100% into their next creation if the sales go to the counterfieter. Clones are counterfeit, regardless if they say 'style' or 'like' in the description. It was someone else's idea that they stole and are producing for their own profit.
2) Creates a bit of an impression on the original. If the counterfeit is sub par build, and has the same markings, then unknowing consumers equate this to the original. Granted, in these circles, we know what we are buying, and do it deliberately.
Now, all of this goes out the window if the people making the clones get permission from the original maker. This also, in my mind, sloses credibility when something is no longer made... but even that has some sticky areas. As you said, clones lower the value of out of production originals... however, is this really a good thing? But I digress.. There is a point where reviving a classic idea with a remake is great, as long as it's truly out of production, or intentionally limited by the original maker.
I think this argument is between people who have produced IP and people who have not. I have had ideas, writing and artistic expression stolen, and it does not feel good to see your work, being presented in a cheap way with someone else's name on it.
Yes, it happens every day. Yes, it allows people to afford similar devices at discount prices... but at what cost? Stealing ideas makes it less appealing to put out innovative ideas.
1) Reduces the likelihood of that designer/engineer putting 100% into their next creation if the sales go to the counterfieter. Clones are counterfeit, regardless if they say 'style' or 'like' in the description. It was someone else's idea that they stole and are producing for their own profit.
2) Creates a bit of an impression on the original. If the counterfeit is sub par build, and has the same markings, then unknowing consumers equate this to the original. Granted, in these circles, we know what we are buying, and do it deliberately.
Now, all of this goes out the window if the people making the clones get permission from the original maker. This also, in my mind, sloses credibility when something is no longer made... but even that has some sticky areas. As you said, clones lower the value of out of production originals... however, is this really a good thing? But I digress.. There is a point where reviving a classic idea with a remake is great, as long as it's truly out of production, or intentionally limited by the original maker.
I think this argument is between people who have produced IP and people who have not. I have had ideas, writing and artistic expression stolen, and it does not feel good to see your work, being presented in a cheap way with someone else's name on it.
Yes, it happens every day. Yes, it allows people to afford similar devices at discount prices... but at what cost? Stealing ideas makes it less appealing to put out innovative ideas.
You are confused because you haven't drawn a line between cloning and counterfeiting.
Hurt the industry in theory, or in reality? Because everything I've seen points to all the cloning being absolutely great for the industry.
People claim cloning and knockoffs hinder innovation. Ok, logical theory, but reality in this case is the opposite, cloning DRIVES new innovation. Evolv didn't come out with their Kick II until the Kick was cloned by China. Joye keeps redesigning and innovating new features on their eGo batteries, everyone else keeps knocking them off. There are many examples of new versions and updates of products being released by the original manufacturer after China cloned their first versions.
Whether they came out with new versions because China cloned their original, or were going to release a new version anyway, the point remains the clones are not hurting innovation. The ecig industry moves at faster than light speeds compared to any other industry I'm aware of. If everything in the industry worked the same as other, more mainstream industries with strict patent protection and all all, it would have taken 20 years to get where we have gotten in only 3.
The fact of the matter is that this industry is evolving and advancing at break-neck speeds, with new innovative products being released all the time. That's reality. To claim the industry has been harmed by cloning seems really dishonest to me.
Aside from that fact, consider the massive amounts of people getting into vaping, and STAYING with vaping because of all this low-priced gear. There is an unfathomable number of people buying vape gear every day, usually lower-priced stuff, who then move on up to higher end gear.
If they had to save up 300-400 for a decent setup before even getting started, far fewer would stick with it. I see vaping saving lives, and if I manufactured PVs, which got knocked off, and the knock-off helped someone quit smoking I'd be incredibly happy even if they bought the clone instead of my product.
I'm not trying to pick on you here, but I see that claim repeated over and over again, and it's just wrong. Because in the real world, with the massive amount of cloning and copying, innovation is strong, and nobody can honestly deny that. All these high-end, in demand products sell out in quick order, and nobody can deny that. There is no damage, nothing negative happening anywhere other than in people's heads.
People that want high-end expensive original gear can have it, people that want cheap gear can have it, people who want to manufacture and sell high-end gear can sell all they can produce, many people around the world can make a living as vendors selling knock-offs and clones. Everyone, quite literally, wins, and nobody is loosing. Yet over and over people need to manufacture negativity. These are good times people, we have a nearly unlimited selection of awesome gear, and everyone is making money, be happy.
Who made you post? I'm sure if you report it the mods can handle the mean person that's forcing you to post in a thread against your will...
I... actually kinda agree with this. It's a byproduct of our capitalist society (and don't lie, China... you're right behind the US in that department). Meaning, competition creates innovation. I don't think anyone can disagree with that. Granted, it's not for the right reasons in my opinion (monetary profit instead of curiosity), but it still does it.
However, this domino effect is best executed with a sort of "race". Remember when the US landed on the moon? It wasn't done for science, it was done to beat the Soviets. Our species can accomplish amazing things, as long as there's some kind of competition involved. My point is, a China counterfeit never tries to one-up an original. In fact, the only time I can think of that this actually happened is with the Russian 91%. If counterfeiters simply took ideas and built upon them, this industry would be moving faster than it is now (think of the iPad/Nook/Kindle wars). Instead, they're just copying exact designs and logos. This doesn't create innovation, this creates corruption and distrust. I remember a time when you didn't have to worry about buying a counterfeit video game. There will come a point when you have to worry about this with mods and attys as well if we keep going in this direction.
My opinion is and always will be something like this:
Anyone can throw paint randomly onto a canvas... but that doesn't mean it's a Jackson Pollock.
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