"Clones" are actually the REAL THING

[buklao]

I have read many of the posts in this thread but not all of them. I am sure I will get flack back but... I just want to say that I do not understand why so many people get so upset about clones.

Everything in the world has some kind of clone or copy, and I mean everything does. Its just the way life is now. This gives everyone a choice and fulfills the different budgets that people have. If you want the original item buy it, if you can't afford or don't like the price of the original, you can get the clone.

I will say copy quality is much better than it used to be, but this is just better for those that are more budget minded. In the end, I do not think either side is losing anything. Both the originator and clone makers along with the consumer end up winning. Manufacturers are making money no matter what and the consumer is getting what they want. Thats my $.02 on the matter.

I second this, not a hater or anything but, people should just mind their own business.

If you can afford to spend 300++ dollars on a piece of metal, great but dont go ranting on people who can't afford it or just choose not to waste 300++ dollars on a piece of metal.

And look at it this way, manufacturers put the serial #s on each item, why? To say that there are only limited stocks for a reason, 1. To give them a good reason to put the price to 300++ level, 2. To keep the people thrilled about its authenticity and make them come back for more.

On the other hand, people who CAN afford this but was NOT ABLE to buy will be eager to have one so they will either go with a clone while waiting, or people who has the original will resell the item for x2 of the price. Remember, not everyone who buys the original use them, they buy it to resell and profit more. OR they will ask someone to make a PERFECT REPLICA of the original and pay a little more?

With that being said, those who can't even afford clones will tend to make their own, and who knows it could be those people who are now manufacturing other mods, lets say the inventor of KING mod wanted a NEMESIS but could not afford and made a copy with a bit of change and boom! A success?

Okay, its off topic now but what im saying is, not everyone is the same, just mind your own business and people will mind theirs.

Its not like the manufacturers give you profit or punish you for buying/not buying the originals anyway. You just have that feeling of having the original is great, you enjoy that feeling and leave the others alone lol.

 

[INFRNL]

I think I might pick up a few clones.

1. to see if I really like the particular models
2. so I can take them to work and not have to worry about them getting messed up.
3. When I find the one I truly can't live without; I will buy the real thing

 

[K_Tech]

If you can afford to spend 300++ dollars on a piece of metal, great but dont go ranting on people who can't afford it or just choose not to waste 300++ dollars on a piece of metal.

"Waste" is a little harsh, don't you think? Personally, the money's only wasted if you buy something with it and then throw it away. Like on a pack of cigarettes...

I think I might pick up a few clones.

1. to see if I really like the particular models
2. so I can take them to work and not have to worry about them getting messed up.
3. When I find the one I truly can't live without; I will buy the real thing

Seems reasonable.

 

[JmanEspresso]

I dont agree with counterfiets in any way. Its stealing, its morally wrong, and I dont care what kind of backwards left right sideways justification comes up next, your never going to convince me that STEALING IS OK BECAUSE ITS NOT.


These mods, the originals, are representations of the makers hard work, thought, ingenuity, creativity, passion and ability.

IF you want one, you buy one. Its costs what it costs because thats how much it costs.


Saying that you think its overpriced and ridiculous and you're not paying that, is fine. But that doesnt give you the right to own one. Not one single person has the right to own any of these mods, UNTIL YOU PAY FOR IT.


And if I can get something out in the open..

Every single person who is reading this thread on their computer or smartphone can afford a Chi, a Nemesis, a King, a Poldi, what have you. EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. READING. THIS. THREAD.

Except you want it NOW. GIMME STUFF NOW.

Its not that its out of your budget, its that you want it NOW. SAVE UP. Christ its $250 bucks, tops. Every single person using their computer and smartphone can save up $250 dollars if they wanted too. Probably wouldnt take more then a couple paychecks.

Im not telling you how to spend your money. Im telling you that if you want something, you buy it. If you dont have the money right now, you save up for it.

You dont go buy some cheap imitation that not only ISNT the real thing you actually wanted, but is also serving to HURT the person or peoples who make the thing you wanted.



Counterfiets are stolen items. You can get arrested for selling lots of different counterfiets things, and if you have counterfiet money in your wallet, EVEN IF YOU DIDNT MAKE IT, you're going to federal prison. why?

Because no matter what you tell yourself to justify it, ITS STILL STEALING.

 

[bustabo]

You gonna go stand in front of the store in the mall selling fake designer purses and say the same thing to every women who walks out with a counterfeit Gucci purse???

Cause that's what your doing here... Telling someone what they can and can't spend their money on...

With that said, I think counterfeits are wrong, but there is a huge market for all things counterfeit. Nothing anyone can do about it, so live with it.

PS, I'm not attacking the poster above, just using what they said as an example


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[p.opus]

Counterfeit's are fraud.

It's one thing to "copy" a design or produce a "look a like". As long as patents aren't violated, I have no problems.

It's a completely different story when you put someone elses name on it.

If you want to buy an "Evod style tank" or "iTaste style battery". Go for it. Roll the dice.

However, if you sell a fake Kangertech Evod, or a fake "Innokin iTaste" you have crossed the line in my opinion.

1. You have falsely represented that the product was produced by the listed manufacturer. Any issues that are experienced with that product are now attributed to the manufacturer, that had nothing to do with it's release. I have read many issues with people who have experienced quality issues with Innokin iTastes only to find out almost to a man that the authenticity of these products were in question. I personally purchased two "Kanger" pro tanks mini's that failed within 3 weeks. Since I was unaware that they were counterfeit, I attributed the quality control issues directly to Kangertech. It was only after research and the purchase of authentic product that I was able change my opinion of the manufacturer. I now have authentic mini protanks and itaste vv3's. When ever I hear people having issues with Kanger products, Kanger heads or iTaste vv3's my first thought now is to whether or not the person purchased genuine merchandise. My personal experience with authentic Kanger and Innokin products has been nothing but positive.

2. Counterfeiting hurts innovation. A manufacturer spends quite a bit of money in research, development and design. They must price their product to recover their investment in R&D. A counterfeiter does not have this problem. He simply disassembles what is already been assembled, copies it completely and then produces the copy. They are able to unfairly compete with the original manufacturer because they don't have to incur the costs in R&D. How many dollars and man-hours went into designing manufacturing and testing something like an iTaste? Compare that to the counterfeiter who's total investment is the $50.00 or so to buy it and disassemble it. This tends to hinder innovation since it makes it harder to recover those R&D investments.

If all of you buying counterfeit items later have issues with your "fake" please do the rest of us a favor and state from the start that you have a fake. Instead of saying...I bought an Itaste and it's crap....say. I bought a FAKE Itaste and it's crap.

If you purchase fakes and clones, I can't tell you what to do, but when you have issues with the product, please be considerate and tell the rest of us you bought a fake, so you don't inadvertently besmirch the name and reputation of the original manufacturer and it's product in the process.

 

[bustabo]

I agree, don't buy a kraken clone from FastTech then post for help here without stating its a clone...

Someone looking to buy the real one who Google's for info and comes across posts saying "zomg my kraken has a dead short in the center pin skmewhre and it blew my battery up while it was in my pocket and I lost a testicle!!!!"

Its going to hurt the sales of the original

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[spookyluke]

Stealing is nature. Instinct. Only humans call it stealing. And we are the most immoral creatures know to man. LOL
sorry but this thread is troll bait. Next thing is the nazi factor. Someone is going to get compared to a nazi.

 

[INFRNL]

I can understand the points of the people that do not like the idea of clones. But you are all guilty yourselves, so you are contradicting yourselves at the same time.

For those like jmanexpresso, etc: Lets look at everything you own. I guarantee that there are many things that you own that are counterfit, copies, clones of something else; in some form or fashion.

Lets start with maybe something simple like: your toilet, sink, faucet, toilet paper, paper towels, clothing, light bulbs. Maybe your fridge, sd card, tools. The list can go on forever, but I guarantee you have a copy of something. It may seem different, but its not.

I think there have been some good points made from both sides, but I am neutral on the subject. This subject is like trying to argue about religion I think. It could go on forever with no resolution. I will leave it at that. You guys have fun...I have more parts to try and figure out what to buy

 

[edyle]

waow, about 3 posts in a row about counterfeit.

The thread is about clones.

 

[muzichead]

I find it interesting, the OP, (Prometheus72), had posts here, (#1 & #10), and hasn't posted anything else in his own thread!!! In 372 posts, not anything else... I think this thread should be closed because it has served its purpose for a decent debate, but has gotten out of hand with all the counterfeit garble...

 

[Burnie]

I find it interesting, the OP, (Prometheus72), had posts here, (#1 & #10), and hasn't posted anything else in his own thread!!! In 372 posts, not anything else... I think this thread should be closed because it has served its purpose for a decent debate, but has gotten out of hand with all the counterfeit garble...

Had not noticed that.

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[Richard75]

Stealing is nature. Instinct. Only humans call it stealing. And we are the most immoral creatures know to man. LOL
sorry but this thread is troll bait. Next thing is the nazi factor. Someone is going to get compared to a nazi.

It's also nature for a male to copulate with as many females he can in an attempt to pass on as much of his genetics as possible... but I (hopefully) doubt anyone here is going to condone that.

 

[SimianSteam]

I find it interesting, the OP, (Prometheus72), had posts here, (#1 & #10), and hasn't posted anything else in his own thread!!! In 372 posts, not anything else... I think this thread should be closed because it has served its purpose for a decent debate, but has gotten out of hand with all the counterfeit garble...

Probably got scared off when the thread started turning into a battle royale.

 

[scrutineer]

Probably got scared off when the thread started turning into a battle royale.

And he didn't forsee this when he made the original post?

 

[SimianSteam]

And he didn't forsee this when he made the original post?

Who knows? I try not to figure out what goes on in other people's minds. Mine is already dark and scary enough as it is.

 

[buklao]

Again with the counterfeits, i think everyone and i mean everyone in here who thinks that having the exact same thing(w/o logo) is okay, is contradicting themselves.

Let me ask you some questions.

Would you buy a Nemesis mod clone without its logo?
Would the clone makers think they would sell the exact same clone but not have the logo?

Personally, i think people buy and get attracted more to clones because of the price and because of it having almost everything an original has.

Let's say someone has an LV purse (original) sitting beside someone who has a purse that is the same as the LV, checkered brown/dark brown, but not have the logo. Wouldnt you think that the person observing both would think that the other is a cheap bag and would not even appreciate the quality because it does not have the logo of the original right beside it?

Its just common instinct that you will despise a clone if it does not have the brand of the original. Maybe you will appreciate the clone afterwards but the first impression will always be the same.

Regarding the post above where i said spending 300++ on a piece of shiny metal is a waste, my point was that if you really think in a practical point of view, you would spend 20-30 on a clone and get that extra 270+ on tools,juice,atty and other stuff that you need, related to vaping or personal needs. Rather than buying a piece of metal for 300++ then spending another 100++ on the stuff you need is worth it, then you are rich af! Lol

I think it would be more practical to buy in ipad/iphone or even a laptop than a shiny piece of metal right?

 

[muzichead]

Again with the counterfeits, i think everyone and i mean everyone in here who thinks that having the exact same thing(w/o logo) is okay, is contradicting themselves. I think it would be more practical to buy in ipad/iphone or even a laptop than a shiny piece of metal right?

Can't vape those, so the answer is no....

 

[minimalsaint]

OMG this thread.
So what I wanna know is.....
Who ...... the furthest here? Has the event been judged yet?

 

[Burnie]

Dang I keep having to make more

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