I have bought about 15 rdas since I started vaping. All of them originals. If some costs 50,60, 100 bucks and u can get a knock off for 7 to 10 bucks. Something tells me the knock off probably is not as good. But I cant say Ive never owned one. Who owns a clone and r they any good?
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Rdas aren't rocket scientist. There aren't any complicated circuits are components. If the clone gets the build deck right and the airflow there's no problem.
You'll cheap out on things like construction material and and removable parts like screws.
If you plan on keeping your atty for a long time then by all means get the real deal. Or if it's something that is actually unique and not easily cloned.
I'm not paying more then 8 bucks for something that I'm only going to use for a month.
You bought 15 rdas since you started vaping...I'm about to buy 15 this month alone.
You'll cheap out on things like construction material and and removable parts like screws.
If you plan on keeping your atty for a long time then by all means get the real deal. Or if it's something that is actually unique and not easily cloned.
I'm not paying more then 8 bucks for something that I'm only going to use for a month.
You bought 15 rdas since you started vaping...I'm about to buy 15 this month alone.
I only have two RDA's. An authentic Patriot and a Topeco Velocity clone. I spent like $80 on the Patriot when it first came out, and ended up having to drill out the two air holes to get a decent vape. I spent like $18 on the Velocity clone and it has been perfect from the beginning. I see no reason not to buy a clone. The authentic Velocity was over $100 when it first came out and is no longer in production, so there are only clone versions available now.
I really am loathe to spend a lot of money on an RTA/RBA where I have no idea whether I will like it or not. Also, while it MAY or may not be "better" than the original, which can be debatable in some instances, it can really be useful to find out if it's a product I MAY NOT like, before springing for an original. I have a couple Kayfun clones for example and I'm just really not a huge fan of juice flow control. I suppose at some point I could go back to them with a renewed interest in making them work, and if I really do get something magical at which point I would consider an original, but I think clones can be great for figuring out if something is for you. I don't feel bad getting clones in those instances, because if I like the clone enough, I'd probably be willing to buy an original.
There are also just atomizers like the doggy style, where it is near impossible to even FIND let alone buy an authentic and in those instances I am happy that clones are available, not to mention thrilled to find an RTA I really like for 12 dollars.
I guess it's all about how and where you want to put your money at times. As I return to work, I plan to slowly save up for a Dicodes mod (which really, there aren't clones available) but I just really want one, am willing to pay the price, and I really doubt my need to try a clone (if I could even find one, I mean....)
I guess what I'm saying is clones have their place and not their place along with everything else. I do find the prices of SOME authentic rebuildables to be a bit ridiculous, also, although IDK, what the market supports, it supports. Plenty of happy Kayfun users out there more than willing to pay the premium for the original etc.
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There are also just atomizers like the doggy style, where it is near impossible to even FIND let alone buy an authentic and in those instances I am happy that clones are available, not to mention thrilled to find an RTA I really like for 12 dollars.
I guess it's all about how and where you want to put your money at times. As I return to work, I plan to slowly save up for a Dicodes mod (which really, there aren't clones available) but I just really want one, am willing to pay the price, and I really doubt my need to try a clone (if I could even find one, I mean....)
I guess what I'm saying is clones have their place and not their place along with everything else. I do find the prices of SOME authentic rebuildables to be a bit ridiculous, also, although IDK, what the market supports, it supports. Plenty of happy Kayfun users out there more than willing to pay the premium for the original etc.
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There are some RDAs that are worth to spend the authentic price, if you like it that much that you'd like to support the developer.
That said, I own a lot of authentics and clones, and most of the time the only difference is the quality of the screws and orings, and while a few do perform worse, most clones perform exactly the same, and some are actually much better than their authentic counterpart.
That said, I own a lot of authentics and clones, and most of the time the only difference is the quality of the screws and orings, and while a few do perform worse, most clones perform exactly the same, and some are actually much better than their authentic counterpart.
IN MY OPINION it's the complexity of an RDA that will determine if it can be cloned well on not. I have many authentics and quite a few clones. My favorite RDA hands down is my authentic Lucid ($55). I bought a clone ($10) to compare the difference. The clone is garbage. I have an authentic TM24 PRO. It's also an excellent RDA. Don't remember what I paid for it. I bought a clone for a friend and comparing the 2 side by side you cannot tell the difference. They perform exactly the same. Like I said earlier I have an authentic Apocalypse ($40) that I really like. I also have 2 clones ($8). 1 of the clones I like a little better than the authentic the other is the same.
I have a 502 clone ($10). The authentic is $155. I do not and will not own an authentic. The vapor production and the flavor is really good BUT the complicated squonking mechanism doesn't work at all. It's a good dripper. The point being if I spent $155 on an RDA, and I never will, and it didn't work correctly I'd be really MAD. Spending $10 on a clone that doesn't work? So what!
I have a 502 clone ($10). The authentic is $155. I do not and will not own an authentic. The vapor production and the flavor is really good BUT the complicated squonking mechanism doesn't work at all. It's a good dripper. The point being if I spent $155 on an RDA, and I never will, and it didn't work correctly I'd be really MAD. Spending $10 on a clone that doesn't work? So what!
I have both...I like both. I do some research before buying an authentic OR a clone. There's good ones and bad ones in both categories. If a manufacturer intentionally limits production to keep prices high, feed the flippers or make them so exclusive that they're impossible to get, I'll buy the clone in a heartbeat. Want me to join a secret facebook group and find people to vouch for me? You'll never see a dime of my money.
I will go out of my way to support a company doing business the right way. I've bought authentics just to support a company to keep innovating and coming out with new products even though the clone might be great.
I will go out of my way to support a company doing business the right way. I've bought authentics just to support a company to keep innovating and coming out with new products even though the clone might be great.
I've vaped Kayfun attys for years and have always bought EHPro and Tobecco clones with no issues whatsoever. If the price is right on an original i'll go for the authentic original.
Lately, prices have eased on new RTA's and I've purchased Digiflavor Siren 2, Innokin Ares, Vandy Vape Beserker, and a fairly long list of others in my search for the best flavor. You can usually find a sale price on most OEM attys and save $10 or more. $50 is about my limit on any atty, not because I'm cheap, but because it's just mass produced machined steel with a deck and chimney.
I have an SXK Doggystyle being delivered today from Fasttech for $12.00 including shipping. Deal!
Lately, prices have eased on new RTA's and I've purchased Digiflavor Siren 2, Innokin Ares, Vandy Vape Beserker, and a fairly long list of others in my search for the best flavor. You can usually find a sale price on most OEM attys and save $10 or more. $50 is about my limit on any atty, not because I'm cheap, but because it's just mass produced machined steel with a deck and chimney.
I have an SXK Doggystyle being delivered today from Fasttech for $12.00 including shipping. Deal!
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Most I just gave away. It might be more then 15. I dont know. But I just give them to people that need one.
My tanks and rtas are authentic but I don't order top tire ayyus so not expensive. RDAs some are clones but again the authentic aren't high ticket either. All my devices are authentic, not taking chances on them.
I just figure why not get the real deal. I dont buy cheap rdas.
I prefer not to put money into the pockets of copy-catters. Innovation takes time, energy and income. And the trouble should be rewarded.
Not saying others shouldn't purchase clones. Especially if the original is no longer available. As for me, I try not to.
Not saying others shouldn't purchase clones. Especially if the original is no longer available. As for me, I try not to.
Then you are blessed with a higher vape budget than I am. I'm not a big on rdas so not a big deal to me either way.
or in the case of something like armageddon mfg...the clones are the authentics
^^ Yup. Take tools for example Craftsman make a left to be stamped Craftsman. Husky make a right to be stamped Husky. This comes from a small city sized factory in China.
Yet being involved in the flashlight industry I also understand that there are times when clones come from stolen intelectual property made in another 2 car garage sized factory not far from the authentic one.
It is my understanding that some clones of KangerTech (for example) items are made by KangerTech and labeled as clones. That's kool and the gang to this guy. Yet I know that more than likely the genuine article has a wee bit more craftsmanship than a clone that may be items made by worn lathe cutters or o'rings made from a less durable material.
Yet being involved in the flashlight industry I also understand that there are times when clones come from stolen intelectual property made in another 2 car garage sized factory not far from the authentic one.
It is my understanding that some clones of KangerTech (for example) items are made by KangerTech and labeled as clones. That's kool and the gang to this guy. Yet I know that more than likely the genuine article has a wee bit more craftsmanship than a clone that may be items made by worn lathe cutters or o'rings made from a less durable material.
Good rdas like Kennedy and Cosmonaut dont produce clones. The higher end rdas stick to what they make. District 5fve isnt going to make clones. Neither is Kennedy. Ur going to get what u pay for. I like the quality of the Kennedy and Cosmonaut. The Layercake is good quality and is built well it just sucks to build on. But there's no flaws in its quality.
I have seen clones of high end stuff, like kennedy, be every bit as good as the authentic. Sometimes you could look at both and not be able to tell which is which. I have had authentics that were basically trash, they didn't work well at all but the clone addressed the issues and made it better.
I understand that clones hurt some companies, but a lot of those companies sell limited numbers and in limited ways (like only on Facebook to a select few), which just fuels the clone industry because it leaves so many others wanting one, the authentic supply doesn't meet the demand. That's why clones are successful, they don't discriminate as to who they will sell to or make someone jump through hoops to have a chance to own one.
I will never use facebook, so if I want one of those Facebook only products, I need to find the occasional used item, or buy a readily avaliable clone. I have nothing against clones at all. It happens in every market. Have you ever bought "great value" brand items at walmart? That is a clone of the big brands.
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