Cloud Chaser Builds

[Nanooks]

.3 ohms that's my sweet spot for my 6Mg 100% vg juice. If I go lower than that the throat hit is just too much. I have to come at this as I am an ex smoker that needs nicotine first, then a dabbler in cloud chasing next. I have a feeling though that I will have to rename this thread to "the birth of a cloud chaser". Still to date this is about achieving a vape that is equal to or better than a cigarette.

That being said, yes, 50 amps is my next step as well. Tomorrow is payday and I am going to get some 26, 22, and 20 gauge kanthal. I guess I will have to get some zero nic juice as well. If my 26650 Tobh gets here this weekend, I may cross that .25 ohm wall.

 

[Nanooks]

K got 26650 Tobh in. Parallel 24 gauge clocked in at 0.12 ohms 8 wrap. If you don't hear from me again I blew myself up.

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

double twisted 26g kanth, wrapped on a 2mm ID, 5 open wrap's, single coil gave me .3Ω..... getting some nice cloudage (sp).

i'm finding open wrap coil's are better at high watts then micro style tight wrapped coil's, spreading out that heat works better for me and seems to produce more vapour, plus when you have tight touching wrap's you alway's end up gaining an extra .2ohm's, cooling the vape down, not good


I've also learnt not to put my coil's directly underneath the DT, I've had enough of coil's spitting juice to the back of my throat, it happened the other night and it was like my air pipe was trying to close but I was trying to breath in, was weird but it went after a minute



Treehead did you drill that fourth hole on the tobh with a drill press? I expect i'd get away with drilling the middle one with a hand drill as theres already a hole(like a pilot hole) if you know what I mean.

K got 26650 Tobh in. Parallel 24 gauge clocked in at 0.12 ohms 8 wrap. If you don't hear from me again I blew myself up.

He ^^ didn't make it back

 

[juggalofisher88]

Quad coil dual parallel vertical split or however the proper terminology would be lol.
26g 2mm ID 14wraps .35[ohm]
My first below .5 it was hell getting 4 strands of 26 in the positive post on igoW lol.
Think I need more cotton....
Don't mind the crappy pic...

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[Nanooks]

Jury is still out SOLID device.

 

[treehead]

If you guys want to blow clouds I highly suggest getting some Nichrome or even better Gplat (pricey but sooo worth it for flavor and vapor, I ended up saving wire because every build I built I was happy with and stuck with it for a week or two...which is a long time for me to stick with one build lol), I feel like all this time I've been "training" with Kanthal, I've had weights on my ankles, because no matter how perfectly or extreme I build the deck I could never get huge competition-like vapor (without taking long 8 second pulls anyway). I actually just got some Nichrome and Gplat in this week and I've been loving it so much, I think I'm addicted to it now.

With Gplat you can basically build bigger coil-cloud-blowing goodness, and still end up with lower ohms, it basically just heats up faster.

Pretty huge coil to be at 1ohm right? Buy a 50amp SonyVT if you get some 22ga Elite, your gonna want and need it!

It was pretty hard to catch the coil halfway heated because it would heats up super quick, the stuff cools down faster too.

It's so angry, the funny thing is since there's so much surface and wick (I'm guessing :/), I actually get dry hits way less easy, and I expected the flavor to be killed off a little because most vapor coils do but, it turned my flavors from a light beer, to a nice wholesome full beer. It just got denser and warmer, even with my combined 1/2" airflow, it was like my Mothers Milk was turned into a warm, fresh-out-of-the-oven strawberry custard. Something's really satisfying about it.

***EDIT: Oops forgot the proof.***

I couldn't hold my arm far enough away to capture the whole cloud lol.

 

[Nanooks]

Big brother is here.

I hate posting pics on the web. By desk is messy. I didn't clean my tips. Reality vaping.

Where do I start. So I ordered my copper Hades and Tobeco 26650 Tobh a month ago from Vapor Tek USA. Shortly thereafter I got 2 Sony 50 amp 26650 from a local store. I just got the Hades and Tobh yesterday. I didn't preorder them separately, so the Hades came in and the Tobh was about a week away. Then DHL lost the Tobh from China to Vapor Tek. Was my first preorder, not Vapor Tek's fault, just the nature of preorders. I cant tell you how bad I wanted to grab some wires and rig the batteries that were sitting there for 3 weeks up to my Tobh 18650. Live and learn.

So like I said got them yesterday. Someone posted that once they got their 26650 Tobh they sat and stared at it asking "what should I do with it"? I did the same thing.....for about 5 minutes. 3mm, 6/5, 24 gauge just works for me, so I decided to do the parallel version and go to 1/8 bit (3.17 mm) 8 wrap. Holy crap that 24 gauge in parallel is hard to work with. Installing the coil was a breeze with all that deck space though. 4 strands of 24 gauge sitting in the center post, and still room for at least another. Checked the ohms...0.12. I'm a Cloud Chaser. Threw double the cotton in the coils and juiced it up.

So I don't know why someone that is smart enough to work with complex coil builds on extreme sub-ohms wouldn't think .3 to .12 may merit a change in how you draw...... /cough /cough /cough /cough /cough. I about passed out. Its never the inhale draw that does it to me, its the exhale, so I was already screwed. Once I collected my wevos I eased into it. Had to give it some time to adapt to the intense vapor production.

4 volts, 0.12 ohms = 133 watts, 33 amps
3.7 volts, 0.12 ohms = 114 watts, 30.8 amps
Just as I calculated. Cant do this build with a VTC5.

So, where am I at? Old setup = .3 ohms. Old draw was 2, 1 to 1.5 second medium to hard pulls. Now, its a single hard half to 1 second pull. I am going to spend the first part of today playing around. I got a spool of 26 gauge Kanthal last night I am going to try. I don't know if you can see from my first picture (not this post, the first 26650 shot above) one coil is spun reversed. The negative lead is on top rather then on the bottom. That totally changed how my wick feeds now. Havent chopped the posts of the deck yet, and I may not need to if that negative lead isn't going to cut off the wick.

Treehead: Got your ohm meter in I see. Same one I got it looks. Great minds do think alike. 101 Vapes?

 

[Nanooks]

/sigh I am not going to edit the edit of the edit. Forgot to mention. Drip tips. Air flow is everything. I got a vape meet today and the hunt for a true widebore drip tip commences. Most widebore tips have a large chamber, but it bottle necks into a 1/8th or smaller stem at the base. You loose so much vapor to anything smaller than a 3/16th minimum drip tip. It is so hard to find one shopping online cause they never advertise the interior width. Wish me luck on my hunt. Worst case I will break down and buy the Cherry Vape widebore.

ps. Why would you vape anything but 100% vg at these low ohms? http://www.heathersheavenlyvapes.com/store3/index.php?main_page=index They are having a sale today only 30% off using coupon code: SUMMER30

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

Got my rba's from china today...

atomic.. nice vape and clouds but can see it will prob get hot with chain vaping.

magma.. verynice vape(sweet) and cloud's, a little heavy and also sound's like an induction kit on a twinturbo Gtr

tobh 1:1.. is my new best friend, this thing is awesome, big cloud's and tonnes of vapour, even with a .2Ω dual its just a smooth vape.. makes the juice sweet...

I've had to use or try these on my reo & since trying them I've had the tobh on it all day long, sacrificing the rm2 and the ability to squonk, that'll tell you how good it is.....

next stage is to try work out the best way to drill these for squonking to get myself back to vape heaven

 

[milescadre]

Got my rba's from china today...

atomic.. nice vape and clouds but can see it will prob get hot with chain vaping.

magma.. verynice vape(sweet) and cloud's, a little heavy and also sound's like an induction kit on a twinturbo Gtr

tobh 1:1.. is my new best friend, this thing is awesome, big cloud's and tonnes of vapour, even with a .2Ω dual its just a smooth vape.. makes the juice sweet...

I've had to use or try these on my reo & since trying them I've had the tobh on it all day long, sacrificing the rm2 and the ability to squonk, that'll tell you how good it is.....

next stage is to try work out the best way to drill these for squonking to get myself back to vape heaven

yea, my tobh is pretty epic, even at 0.2 ohms on a stress test, I couldnt get that tobh to bake. Even the clones by tobeco (the 1:1s) are pretty darn good.

I love mine to death and glad I got it ^^

 

[juggalofisher88]

I'm trying to decide between a tobh or a stillare that my b&m carries I'm leaning more towards the stillare because of the copper +post

don't mind the post I'm drunk

 

[sunminkin]

Very nice, I've had my eye on the quasar since I started vaping, I love it's super thick walls mainly. I didn't even know they had a copper version! Definitely going to get that if I ever pull the trigger on buying one, one thing I've always wondered; do the copper caps ever patina on the inside? I mean they can always be polished and cleaned with lemon juice, but I didn't know if it ever got bad. I may end up buying a copper tobh cap one of these days to try it out, I've never minded copper smell or anything, but I keep imagining a penny taste, which is whatever, I'm not picky! I'm sure that layer of juice keeps the taste away if any though.

Actually the inner sleeve on the quasar top cap is ss so the chamber that your coils are in is all ss. That way you dont get any penny taste and the inside doesn't get disgusting.

 

[treehead]

Got my rba's from china today...

atomic.. nice vape and clouds but can see it will prob get hot with chain vaping.

magma.. verynice vape(sweet) and cloud's, a little heavy and also sound's like an induction kit on a twinturbo Gtr

tobh 1:1.. is my new best friend, this thing is awesome, big cloud's and tonnes of vapour, even with a .2Ω dual its just a smooth vape.. makes the juice sweet...

I've had to use or try these on my reo & since trying them I've had the tobh on it all day long, sacrificing the rm2 and the ability to squonk, that'll tell you how good it is.....

next stage is to try work out the best way to drill these for squonking to get myself back to vape heaven

Nice choices for squonkers slippy! The magma's just made for that, you can squonk half your bottle practically haha! The atomic already looks like a reo beings so small. I think that Tobh will be sweeet, it's got the perfect drip well, and it'll be a squonker made for big vapor!

 

[treehead]

I'm trying to decide between a tobh or a stillare that my b&m carries I'm leaning more towards the stillare because of the copper +post

don't mind the post I'm drunk

You can't go wrong with either brother, they'll both chase clouds, but the Tobh will do it better just because of it's design. However your right on the conductivity, I don't notice a difference in power when I switch atty's, but I do when I switch mechanicals. I'd say it's such a small part of your circuit though, that it's negligible what your atty's conductivity is, what you want is a good mod to make up for it, since it's 90% of your conductivity anyway.

I'd say go with the Tobh personally, it's just...bulletproof when it comes to extreme builds. The reduced chamber, huge airflow (well they are both the same airflow), deep drip well, welded negative posts that are unbreakable for those builds you need to pull on, and most importantly; heat sinks, all are nice to have when your pushing the limits.

I own both, and like both, the stillare looks cool , and has awesome airflow. They'll both do what you want for sure, the Tobh to me just a little bit of a vape performance advantage to me, just a little.

 

[Nanooks]

So I have done alot this weekend but don't have time this second to put it down. Was looking at the last posts trying to keep it in context to coil builds even though we are discussing devices. The way I look at it is the devices are the pallet, where the coils are the painting. Briefly, I am sitting at .2 ohms and letting my lungs adapt. However I am looking at the possibility of a .08 ohm build in the near future.

 

[Nanooks]

I'm trying to decide between a tobh or a stillare that my b&m carries I'm leaning more towards the stillare because of the copper +post

I asked myself the same question a while back. Out of the box the Stillare is great. The problem with the tobh out of the box is those stupid airflow tabs are a pain to build around. If you grind them off, the tobh is the better platform for cloud chasing.

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

Nice choices for squonkers slippy! The magma's just made for that, you can squonk half your bottle practically haha! The atomic already looks like a reo beings so small. I think that Tobh will be sweeet, it's got the perfect drip well, and it'll be a squonker made for big vapor!

this is the third day now of dripping instead of squonking and you are right they do have big well's..... the flavour doesn't get affected like it does on a smaller rba like the rm2 where if you have wick and juice sitting around the flavour diminishes..... i'm slowly but surely getting very confused as to what I want to vape my rba's on HAHAHAAA

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

I asked myself the same question a while back. Out of the box the Stillare is great. The problem with the tobh out of the box is those stupid airflow tabs are a pain to build around. If you grind them off, the tobh is the better platform for cloud chasing.

Those tobh tab's don't bother me... I don't even notice em when i'm building.... but! I also put the coils very close to the air intake so they don't sit over the well.. >>

 

[AngryCagen]

I'm trying to decide between a tobh or a stillare that my b&m carries I'm leaning more towards the stillare because of the copper +post

don't mind the post I'm drunk

whats up man. I actually have both and they have been in my current setups since I bought them. While the Stillare produces nice vapor and looks badass on anything you put it on, the tobh is my main rda. great stock airflow holes and the flavor is night and day compared to the stillare. If I could only have one I would have to go with the tobh atty. because it actually has more airflow, and by more airflow I mean if you were to put a drip tip on it and look down the hole, that5 hole is wide open as opposed to the stock stillare. but you can always drill them out more. but if you do, do it in steps and work your way up the bit size chain, that way your not trying to drill out so much metal at one time....I gotta give props for that tip to Big Lou! Either way you go, you are going to be happy and let's face it, you will probably end up with both of them anyway...lol

 

[juggalofisher88]

Wow thanks for all the personal reviews the jury seems to be the tobh.
Which once I think about it heat sinks would be great as my igoW top get hotter then **** lol
I deffently want something that I can build dual 24g builds on my igo is a pain with thick wire I had a heck of a Time putting 4 strands of 26g through that tiny positive when I deed my dual parallel build on it.