Cloupor Mini Mod 30W

[Cotay]

See, now we are getting somewhere. You know LAW and how it can be used to anyone advantage as long as the lawyer is good enough.
Still, you have NO idea whether there is any defect in design of the USB.
You Have No idea whether the USB is even built by or supplied to Cloupor.
You have no idea who has done what for certifications.
You have no Idea whether the device is 1.1 or 1.2 compliant design.

I on the other hand can see plainly, Cloupor sells a hand full of products without Contracting Venders and is doubtfully able to build a USB device or a VV/VW Board. Like most China Ecig market companies they likely buy from several suppliers and Assemble a product or simply Rep a finished product.

Life's to short - live a little.

You simply wish to fuss over a Vender statement which is nothing less(a statement) which has nothing to do with the FEW Cloupor mini melt downs.
What I have read clearly states:
NOT in USE
NOT Being Charged
What I have seen:
Boards melt down center of main board

Have you even read my posts clearly? I have categorically said I am not convinced there is an issue and that its is Cloupor's issue even if there is one. My point is that even if they aren't at fault or there is no issue, a good lawyer still wouldn't let them post a statement like they have. I doubt even they have had time to run a full failure analysis. I'm paid as a lawyer to see the long term results of statements like this....and it's always better to keep your mouth shut until all facts are known. And now I will take my own advice and shut up.

 

[crxess]

.........................
I'm good with that.

And we all want the same thing - mods that work.

 

[cowfood]

Hmm, I think Cloupor might not really care about the legal ramifications for US vendors in this regard. They can (at this price point) continue to use FT or GB or pick your Chinese hub. Considering $30 + $20 shipping, (for 3 days) or 1 week tops, US consumers will just go that route, and the loss would be negligible for them.
-CF

 

[Croak]

Hmm, I think Cloupor might not really care about the legal ramifications for US vendors in this regard. They can (at this price point) continue to use FT or GB or pick your Chinese hub. Considering $30 + $20 shipping, (for 3 days) or 1 week tops, US consumers will just go that route, and the loss would be negligible for them.
-CF

Even if the problem was widespread (which it's not), it would take months for the various bureaucracies to make a move. And in the world of Chinese mods, those months are probably longer than the planned production cycle of a particular product, and most of the existing inventory already in the wholesale and retail channels.

In other words, by the time anyone decided to take action (IF there was action required, and IF this is more than just a small handful cases, and IF this isn't propaganda from a competitor), the Mini would be obsolete and Cloupor wouldn't have to worry about it, they'd be on to the follow-up product and would have collected most if not all of their profits from the Mini..

And once again, if it WAS a major problem, they'd just say that the USB connection did meet consortium standards, it was a manufacturing defect that was to blame. That's presuming they cared at all about the consortium as they are almost certainly not the manufacturer of the commodity USB board on the Mini, just the assembler. As for their recent statement, well, they'd just say they were urging users to err on the side of caution.

 

[Elyptic]

So the big question. Do people regularly charge via the USB port without issue? One of the reasons I ordered one of these is that it has USB charging. I don't have an external battery charger and don't want one. I travel frequently and it's much easier to not have to deal with an external charger.


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[Cotay]

Even if the problem was widespread (which it's not), it would take months for the various bureaucracies to make a move. And in the world of Chinese mods, those months are probably longer than the planned production cycle of a particular product, and most of the existing inventory already in the wholesale and retail channels.

In other words, by the time anyone decided to take action (IF there was action required, and IF this is more than just a small handful cases, and IF this isn't propaganda from a competitor), the Mini would be obsolete and Cloupor wouldn't have to worry about it, they'd be on to the follow-up product and would have collected most if not all of their profits from the Mini..

And once again, if it WAS a major problem, they'd just say that the USB connection did meet consortium standards, it was a manufacturing defect that was to blame. That's presuming they cared at all about the consortium as they are almost certainly not the manufacturer of the commodity USB board on the Mini, just the assembler. As for their recent statement, well, they'd just say they were urging users to err on the side of caution.

Just as a side note, even if there is an issue (and again let me be perfectly clear that I'm skeptical that there really is one here), the Statue of Limitations for product liability is usually measured in years (it's different in each State) so if (and this is a big if) there were a problem and someone were injured, Cloupor having moved on to another product would not absolve them of potential liability. If there were an issue (and even if it is the fault of a third party supplier), a manufacturer, its distributors and retailers could face a strict liability claim for a defective product even if they were not negligent themselves in the manufacture of the device. Note that a strict liability claim can be made even if injuries are only intermittent or rare and the plaintiff only needs to prove causation. Now if a plaintiff uses the product in a way in which it was not intended to be used and the injury results, that is a defense. That may be why Cloupor has put up their statement that the Mini is not intended to be charged with a laptop/motherboard charger, but if I were counsel for a plaintiff I'd argue that the distinction being made between wall chargers and laptop/motherboard chargers is irrelevant and functionally is no different. The more I think about it, I think Cloupor put that statement on their website as a shield to a strict liability claim...I just don't think it would work. So I'll admit that their attorneys probably knew what they were doing when they released the statement...but I'd tear it apart at trial.

EDIT: Sorry crxess, now I'll shut up.

 

[cowfood]

Agreed in full.

 

[Piloteers]

The Kanger subtank mini and nano isn't out yet. It should be nice on the mini. I would wait until you see reviews.......

I received my subtank mini on friday from sv. they are hitting the streets.

 

[crxess]

Just as a side note, even if there is an issue (and again let me be perfectly clear that I'm skeptical that there really is one here), the Statue of Limitations for product liability is usually measured in years (it's different in each State) so if (and this is a big if) there were a problem and someone were injured, Cloupor having moved on to another product would not absolve them of potential liability. If there were an issue (and even if it is the fault of a third party supplier), a manufacturer, its distributors and retailers could face a strict liability claim for a defective product even if they were not negligent themselves in the manufacture of the device. Note that a strict liability claim can be made even if injuries are only intermittent or rare and the plaintiff only needs to prove causation. Now if a plaintiff uses the product in a way in which it was not intended to be used and the injury results, that is a defense. That may be why Cloupor has put up their statement that the Mini is not intended to be charged with a laptop/motherboard charger, but if I were counsel for a plaintiff I'd argue that the distinction being made between wall chargers and laptop/motherboard chargers is irrelevant and functionally is no different. The more I think about it, I think Cloupor put that statement on their website as a shield to a strict liability claim...I just don't think it would work. So I'll admit that their attorneys probably knew what they were doing when they released the statement...but I'd tear it apart at trial.

EDIT: Sorry crxess, now I'll shut up.

Hey no problem.
One thing I do know about challenging liability is We live in America. Anyone can sue anyone at any time for any thing and the Dumber the plaintiff the better the chance of winning.
Must be a sympathy thing.

With our freedoms going away faster than we can track at times we should consider change our Countries Motto from LAND of the FREE to something like - Just Wait, I'll Sue You

* Obviously I am talking about things far beyond Simple Mod issues.*

 

[Kloverz158]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/645747-cloupor-mini-caught-fire.html
\Clouper Mini on
Just to spread the words if ya havent heard yet. It could be user fault but then again its better to be safe then sorry.

 

[crxess]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/645747-cloupor-mini-caught-fire.html
\Clouper Mini on
Just to spread the words if ya havent heard yet. It could be user fault but then again its better to be safe then sorry.

I found this:



Anyone Notice the Different routing of the Ground wire on the Damaged unit?
Wire is laying across and bearing down on the USB PLUG Not a good combination.

The one thing I hate is the sub par assembly of this mod - Hot Glue is not a reasonable assembly product and does not belong in a unit that can generate heat.

 

[beez0527]

Hey Jay let me know how you like it. I may get one but waiting for reviews. The occ coils are way over priced. I have seen them at 6 bucks. I will rebuild the coils since it looks real easy , just like the protank 2 that I use now. I want the nano since it should fit the cloupor mini nicely . I know the nano comes with two but i like to have several already rebuilt. I guess 5 extra would be enough.

FT has 5pk for $12 and these are ver easy to rebuild and whats better is i re-wick them after a week and i actually like mine better after re-wicking. I have a total of 20 occ 10 .5 10 1.2.

Subtank OCC Coil Re-wicking/IPV Mini/Subtank Winners - Spinfuel eMagazine

 

[Ardy]

I don't know of any recent box mods that haven't had their problems.......

 

[Jayscuzzi]

FT has 5pk for $12 and these are ver easy to rebuild and whats better is i re-wick them after a week and i actually like mine better after re-wicking. I have a total of 20 occ 10 .5 10 1.2.

Subtank OCC Coil Re-wicking/IPV Mini/Subtank Winners - Spinfuel eMagazine

What gauge kanthal you using?

 

[beez0527]

What gauge kanthal you using?

28 mostly have used 26 as well

 

[Cotay]

I don't know of any recent box mods that haven't had their problems.......

Very true...that is why I'm not warming to the recent 3 month product release cycles from the mod vendors. Testing and safety go out the window in the name of decreased time to market. It's a recipe for disaster.

 

[crxess]

A response from Cloupor to the e-mail I sent concerning their charging statement and the actual issues. If you can decipher it your ahead of me.

Hi Dalmer,

Thank you for your kind email.

Yes, we are in deep research this problem now.

About high technology device,becase the produce and shipping on the way,a few device not very stable, maybe that's normal.
But we will try our best to solver this problem.

Thank you very much for your support.

I think they are saying they got in a hurry

 

[eddiea]

So the big question. Do people regularly charge via the USB port without issue? One of the reasons I ordered one of these is that it has USB charging. I don't have an external battery charger and don't want one. I travel frequently and it's much easier to not have to deal with an external charger.

I charge mine via USB using a phone/wall charger without any issues but being able to charge using a port on a computer/laptop/car-charger is a feature I would use but would probably never need to since I rarely vape over 15W with a 2500mAh battery which lasts me much more than a day.

 

[Elyptic]

I charge mine via USB using a phone/wall charger without any issues but being able to charge using a port on a computer/laptop/car-charger is a feature I would use but would probably never need to since I rarely vape over 15W with a 2500mAh battery which lasts me much more than a day.

Thanks! I was planning on using my rDNA for the high wattage vaping, so this will probably see my kanthal attys (run around 14 watts). I wouldn't expect to need to charge it daily with the right battery, so I think I'll be fine!


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[friediceman]

Evape.us now has these in stock for $42 with free shipping. Personally, I'd hold out until this melting/burning issue is resolved...

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