Coils and wattages for box mods? Bit of a long post, could use some info from the experts here.

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DcMagic

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The short Version: As far as the box is concerned: Im not sure if 30 will be enough or if I should go for a 50 watt box mod.
As far as the coils (On a box mod) What is the difference between using a .8ohm coil, vs. a 1.8 ohm coil. - I have heard that you want to get a HIGHER ohm coil with the box mods so that you get more power. So does the max WATTAGE matter then? Or is higher ohm coil good on lower wattage's?


Here is the rest of it: So you can get an understanding of my reference point.


Let me give a reference point (And I know this coils won't work on box mods, but its just for example purposes)
Right now I have a mech mod, running a 20g kanthol single coil, I think its 5-6 wraps, but it came out to .27 ohms, and I am using a half charged sony vtc 18650 battery.
Id like to get a rough idea what this warmth, vapor production and flavor is equivalent to when using a box mod.
What wattage would this be equivalent to on this 20g build?


Next,
What Wattage would give me the same type of hit off a .5-.9 ohm build. and What wattage would give me the same type of hit off a 1.4 - 1.8 ohm build?


If possible, could you also give an example of a coil set up that would give me each of those ohm readings so I can research coils that I would want to try in the new set up I want to get.


Ill be using a Infinite Magma RDA clone. and probably want to run a single coil on it, either single strand, or even parallel or 3 strands. Whatever works as long as its a single coil.


Here is what I am trying to avoid, I notice that a LOT of people use tank on the 30w devices, and I am all about dripping, the reason being is I picked up a kayfun lite tank mod, similar to the Russian 91%, and I hated it, While the flavor was decent, the vapor production was seriously lacking for MY taste.


Now I know that a lot fo my frineds, my mom, my gf etc etc all prefer a more "mellow" hit so they would be saticfied with the mild hit from a tank. So I usually chalk up tank users as more of the "Casual vaper"

Me, I like to be a bit more "extreme". Most people that drag my mech mod set up with like a 28g parallel set up or 20g super sub ohm builds on it say the hit is just way to harsh (It doesn't taste burnt) Its just too hard of a hit and too much vapor/flavor for them. So I would not say I fall into that "casual" category.


And so given that, sets the basis for all my confusion on what type of box mod and coil set ups that will work with their standard 0.5ohm - 3.0ohm coil limitations, but will be able to deliver the more "intense" vape that I personally enjoy.

Vape On.
 
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Let me give a reference point (And I know this coils won't work on box mods, but its just for example purposes)
Right now I have a mech mod, running a 20g kanthol single coil, I think its 5-6 wraps, but it came out to .27 ohms, and I am using a half charged sony vtc 18650 battery.
Id like to get a rough idea what this warmth, vapor production and flavor is equivalent to when using a box mod.
What wattage would this be equivalent to on this 20g build?


Uhhh you've been on ECF for how long and not one person has told you to learn Ohm's Law? I find that hard to believe since I think I saw someone else link you to steam engine in your previous thread. I'm going to do the same, because if you've been dabbling with low builds in mech mods then you should've already learned this. This will answer most of the questions in your thread. It seriously won't get any easier than this. Just plug in the values.

Ohm's law | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

As for the first question. A higher ohm coil requires less amps and wattage to achieve the same voltage as a lower ohm coil build. People used to suggest higher ohm builds to achieve a good vape experience, because boxes used to provide limited power and wattage. Nowadays you can pick up 165watt boxes, so this isn't the case anymore. The build you intend on doing should be based on your preference and that fits within the compatibility of the box. I personally wouldn't run a build lower than 0.7 in a 30 watt box, even though I can go down to 0.5, because I like to operate around 4.5+ volts.
 

DcMagic

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Oh damn I got schooled, I have been using the same builds for like 6 years, I dont keep up with my research and I know NOTHING about box mods... My question is about the VAPE EXPERIENCE from different wattages compared to what I am using... A calculator wont tell me that. That calc wont tell me how dense and flavorful your vape is on a box mod at different wattages, which is basically my question.


So no.. No schooling was done here. Just condescending generic replies.
 
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There are plenty of box mods out these days that will fire down to .2, some even lower.
Your question about your .27 build on a half charged battery is easy to figure out with an ohms law calculator. We'll say your battery is around 3.7ish volts. Well 3.7v with a .27 build equals 50.7w. A .27 build on a fully charged battery would be getting around 4.2v.4.2v at .27 equals 65.3w. You'd probably want something like the sigelei 100w or the ipv3. My phone won't let me paste a link for some reason but just go to Google and search ohms law calculator and do some playing around with it and definitely check out the links posted above. I'm no expert or even an advanced vaper but this is some of what I've learned. I try to learn all I can!


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DcMagic

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We good now ?

The more I read, the more its coming together... Im slowing getting myself out of the super sub-ohm cloud chasing mind frame and moving to the just flavor production from higher ohm builds on something like 20-30 watts.

In this video he is only at 17w on a 1.3(I could be wrong) ohm build, and it seems to be hitting great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye0hFjz7y0A
 

DcMagic

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I mix my juice to about 70/30 vg/pg. And I just got the Magma in my hands today, A 1.2-1.5ohm micro coil is going to be fantastic on there I can already tell.

I think 30w is going to be more than enough for plenty of vapor with this rda. But damn this 50 for the price looks sick. I think its between the SMOKTech Xpro 50 and the IPV Mini 30

I like how the battery comes out easy on the ipv, but the button looks jankey, and I know NOTHING about SMOKTech. BUT.... 5 bux more for 50 watts, At this point it comes down more to looks (Meh) but more impartantly the build quality, which would be more reliable and feel more sturdy, has better connection and conductivity (parts) etc etc.

Any opinions for one vs the other?

IPV

iPV Mini 30 Watt MOD Pioneer4you Greenleaf

SMOKTECH

SMOKTech XPRO M50 50W Mini Box Mod

I may start a sep thread just for comments and options about both of these... Ill take a couple more days and order this weekend once I made up my mind. Feel free to toss in another contender for the same 50-60 price range. The wattage is good, but not if the SMOK is a crap quality (In comparison to the IPV) or vise-versa i guess.
 
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