Cold maceration of tobacco

[VIAWOL]

Very nice! Thank you so much. Now round two, what can I use for filters to start out? Do you like to add PG to your PGA?

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[Bunnykiller]

I use coffie filters at the moment due to the availability. I am planning on some felt 5 micron once the time comes.
I dont use PG since I have reactions to it... ( sore throat runny nose and sneezing). I find that introducing VG to the PGA extracts too much color and sugars from the cased tobacco (pipe) and causes wick/coil gunking issues. Since PGA doesnt dissovle sugar that well, it makes for a cleaner extract once everything is mixed.

 

[Bunnykiller]

here is an example of VG extracts and PGA extracts
the left column of samples are all VG based extracts
the right column is PGA based extracts
the same tobacco was used for the top 2
another batch in the middle
and a third for the bottom 2
PGA is much cleaner than VG when it comes to extracting

 

[VIAWOL]

Perfect! Those are the kind of facts I was looking for! I feel like I can get started on this once I narrow down the right tobacco. Right now I'm hooked on Halo Torque 56 but I feel guilty about how fast I go thru it. I feel like I'm not really being as frugal as I can be.
I hope you don't mind but I have more questions. When reducing, the jar is open of course, do you surround with water to maintain even temp?

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[VIAWOL]

Nice plate btw

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[Bunnykiller]

Perfect! Those are the kind of facts I was looking for! I feel like I can get started on this once I narrow down the right tobacco. Right now I'm hooked on Halo Torque 56 but I feel guilty about how fast I go thru it. I feel like I'm not really being as frugal as I can be.
I hope you don't mind but I have more questions. When reducing, the jar is open of course, do you surround with water to maintain even temp?

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yes.... water is usually about 1/2" higher than the extract level when starting, seems to speed things up a tad. If you want it to go even faster, find a SS bowl that will fit in the crockpot and float evenly, place extract in the bowl instead of a jar. The extra surface area allows for more airflow and quicker evaporation.

 

[VIAWOL]

How would you say the PGA method compares to the other methods? I'm thinking that if you reduce the PGA down to 10% of its original volume it wouldn't be much. Doesn't that waste a lot? Or is the flavor and gunk reduction with it?

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[Bunnykiller]

the reducing concentrates the flavors, therefore when you mix it with the VG it doesnt thin out the VG and the volume of reduced extract going into the vg is more like 10-30% of the mixed product ( and 30% is a strong flavored mix).

when you reduce the Everclear extract, the alcohol evaporates leaving the flavors and oils to get more intense in the remaining alcohol, therefore requiring less volume needed to add to the vg

think of as like trying to make the syrup used in instant coffie... you make a pot of coffie, boil off the water and you end up with coffie concentrate in which you use later by adding it to more water later to drink...

 

[VIAWOL]

I like the sound of that.
So after the whole process I will have a strong concentrate, I'm guessing there is no formula to getting the flavor ratio just right? That seems like the part that would be all trial and error. I do like that it wouldn't thin out VG much, I really enjoy high VG dripping.

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[Bunnykiller]

no, there is no hard set formula.... its all based off of taste ( personal tastes at that) what you may find weak flavored may be too strong for another....

 

[VIAWOL]

Yup that's what I figured. I wish I had a lab... I would like to measure everything and keep notes and all that to satisfy my ocd and to make repeating any success much simpler. Still may keep notes and just do the best I can with a little food scale.

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[Sl4gathor]

I might have to try an extract with Everclear......
My last one with PG is a hell of a coil gunker, but oh so tasty....
I still haven't filtered my Bugler Turkish, going on 2 months, o forgot about it......heh

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[molimelight]

I was looking at this site and thinking about getting some of these to do a cold maceration with.

Seattle Pipe Club Mississippi River
Lane BCA
Lane RLP
Peter Stokkebye 84 Turkish

Anyone have any experience with these or suggestions? I tried to read the descriptions and the reviews of the pipe smokers and do some extrapolation but I know that pipe smoking and vaping are two different things.

Also, if I want to get about 30 to 50 ml of extraction, how much of each should I buy? They come in one ounce increments.

Thanks!

 

[billherbst]

I was looking at this site and thinking about getting some of these to do a cold maceration with.

Seattle Pipe Club Mississippi River
Lane BCA
Lane RLP
Peter Stokkebye 84 Turkish

Anyone have any experience with these or suggestions? I tried to read the descriptions and the reviews of the pipe smokers and do some extrapolation but I know that pipe smoking and vaping are two different things.

Also, if I want to get about 30 to 50 ml of extraction, how much of each should I buy? They come in one ounce increments.

Thanks!

I've extracted the PS 84 Turkish, I have both Lanes awaiting extraction, and I also have two separate SPC Mississippi River extracts from my home extraction buddies.

They're all fine choices.

You can a yield of 50ml of finished extract from a PG/VG simple soak maceration using a mere 1/6 to 1/3 ounce of tobacco. So get a one ounce bulk sampler, as that's the smallest amount one can buy.

 

[boomerdude]

I've done the SPC Mississippi River. It makes for an excellent vape. I use the whole ounce to extract 60-80 mls. The Lane BCA is essentially Captain Black according to P&C. I have some of that extracting right now using the same method of heat extraction.

 

[billherbst]

I've done the SPC Mississippi River. It makes for an excellent vape. I use the whole ounce to extract 60-80 mls. The Lane BCA is essentially Captain Black according to P&C. I have some of that extracting right now using the same method of heat extraction.

boomer,

Your SPC Mississippi River is one of the two I referenced. The other is from Dustmight.

Am I correct in assuming that "BCA" stands for Black Cavendish Aromatic? I guess Captain Black is also black Cavendish. Some posts on pipe forums suggest that Lane RLP-6 (the "R" in the acronym might be Ribbon-cut), also a black Cav, is Lane's take on Captain Black White. Maybe all three are subtle variations on a theme. The weird thing is that Lane makes Captain Black, or so I've read.

Some posters on pipe forum threads hold that RLP-6 is a "higher-class" version of Captain Black, sort of like the old Buick versus Pontiac distinction decades ago at GM.

 

[molimelight]

As always, great information on this board! Thanks guys, I'll go ahead and order an ounce of each. Do you guys do anything special (freeze, refrigerate) tobacco that you have waiting to do a maceration with?

 

[regal55]

boomer,

Your SPC Mississippi River is one of the two I referenced. The other is from Dustmight.

Am I correct in assuming that "BCA" stands for Black Cavendish Aromatic? I guess Captain Black is also black Cavendish. Some posts on pipe forums suggest that Lane RLP-6 (the "R" in the acronym might be Ribbon-cut), also a black Cav, is Lane's take on Captain Black White. Maybe all three are subtle variations on a theme. The weird thing is that Lane makes Captain Black, or so I've read.

Some posters on pipe forum threads hold that RLP-6 is a "higher-class" version of Captain Black, sort of like the old Buick versus Pontiac distinction decades ago at GM.

I tried a captain black extract and didn't care for it, not only was it a gunker but its flavor wasn't "right." I may have steeped it to long. Two worth trying are Newminister #403 and pipes&cigars Black currant Cavendish. Newminster #403 isn't a pure Cavendish but the center is and gives a smooth Cavendish flavore

 

[Ian444]

I was looking at this site and thinking about getting some of these to do a cold maceration with.

Seattle Pipe Club Mississippi River
Lane BCA
Lane RLP
Peter Stokkebye 84 Turkish

Anyone have any experience with these or suggestions? I tried to read the descriptions and the reviews of the pipe smokers and do some extrapolation but I know that pipe smoking and vaping are two different things.

Also, if I want to get about 30 to 50 ml of extraction, how much of each should I buy? They come in one ounce increments.

Thanks!

The reviews can help, I usually look at added flavorings, overall score and strength. Added flavors cause me uncertainty, overall score may or can be useful, and good strength is good. Reading the reviews by the people helps me choose most of my tobaccos, mostly because I have nothing else to go by I think the reviews are still useful for vaping purposes to an extent.

I have found that tobaccos without added flavouring usually give a solid consistent result. With added flavourings, the outcome is not so sure, and at least 2 months steeping is usually required IMO for the flavor to mature. Its a matter of try it and see. The Mississipi River has been on my wishlist for a while now, and the Turkish 84 looks good. The other two are the unknowns, for a few bucks its not a great loss if it doesn't work out. However I have read of Captain Black being extracted with good success, not sure which one, the white pouch I think.

 

[Str8vision]

For me, 72 to 96 hour room temperature soaks seem to be ideal for PGA based tobacco macerations. I enjoy experimenting so I processed a room temperature maceration of Dunhill's Nightcap using 90% PGA/10% PG as the solvent but extended the soak time to six days (144 hours), just to see what would happen. The result was less than favorable. The flavor profile and intensity of the extract remained similar to that of a four day soak, excellent, but in the background I can perceive a faint new flavor attribute that resembles what I would describe as chlorophyll--ish plant matter on the exhale. Six days may have pushed the limit when using a PGA dominant solvent.