Company Meeting about e-cigs & Smoking

[Jadc]

So where do I start.... The company I work for have had an issue about smoking for a while now, But now they have inforced the ban on the property and even dismissed the ... breaks till lunch time and home time, But as some of you may know I have been e-smoking for over a year now so I accept there law policy, But now they have a hiccup about E-cigs I have heard rumours they don't really know what they are they think they are still smoking but you and I know that they are not it's just them being ignorant and wanting the power strip as they know us e-smokers have something over them in the company. I have a few questions so I can back my self up in the meeting tomorrow regarding it and for my other fellow work buddys who e-smoke.

1- What is the UK law on smoking? isnt it smoking is classed as lit tobacco or anything be lit?

2- Is there a law about smoking on the property not meaning inside the building but outside the building? I don't mean on public roads I mean within that like carpark on the property.

3- I kinda do and kinda don't accept there policy only because in e-mails that go around via our HR we get sentences like this “Further to the recent changes and reminders with regards to the no smoking on company property (including electronic cigarettes) “ suggests to me that they are classing them as smoking right?

anything else that I use to fill my ammunition for tomorrow would be great.

Either way they can't stop me from e-smoking in the toilets or anywhere else quiet lol

Kind regards

Jadc

 

[Olef]

Look up the UK laws a bit quick. It is my understanding that 'smoking' is banned in public places - and 'smoking' is defined as the inhaling of the smoke from burning tobacco. vaping - there is no tobacco, there is no no burning and there is no smoke so that equals not smoking as defined under UK law.

Good luck, my MD is a bit more informed and there are three of us vaping away at our desks now. Let us know how you get on.

 

[Jadc]

Thanks for that buddy, and also thanks for rubbing it in

This company speaking with the MD's & HR is like speaking to a brick wall .... Frustrates me.

 

[madjack]

...goto CASAA.org and look at their "resources" page...specifically, http://www.casaa.org/files/CASAA_Legislative_Packet_Regarding_Indoor_Bans_Web.pdf ...you might want to print it up to bring with you...don't stop there, as there is plenty of info you can use....
madjack

 

[kinabaloo]

You have a right to a break evry so often (at least once in the morning and once in the afternoon) besides lunchtime.

The revolution is underway now, to regain our freedoms from the central banker mafiosi, so hold on there ...

"I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale." --Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1816.

 

[Olef]

Thanks for that buddy, and also thanks for rubbing it in

Lol, oops...

 

[Jadc]

hehe Olef! thanks for the info so far guy's just can't stand being classed as a smoker by the company where I am not only because they don't understand Ecigs

 

[madjack]

hehe Olef! thanks for the info so far guy's just can't stand being classed as a smoker by the company where I am not only because they don't understand Ecigs

...this is where that tri-fold hand out from CASAA can be of assistance..............................

 

[rolygate]

Hope you've seen the UK consumer group website at: ECCA UK - Electronic Cigarette Consumer Association of the UK

As regards the law, there are three different issues: what is the legal definition of smoking; what private property owners can allow or disallow on their premises; and what an employer can or cannot force you to do or not do.

1. Smoking
This is defined as the ignition and combustion of materials (and inhaling the smoke), so e-cigs cannot fall within that definition. That is why they are exempt from any legal controls as regards places they can be used, except perhaps for sensitive areas such as operating theatres, petroleum refineries or gas tanker ships where obviously there might be a challenge. In other words there is no legal reason why you cannot vape in a restaurant for example, unless the owners of those premises have prohibited it. Ditto with on a bus, though that is probably another type of case.

2. Property owners' rights
With regards to the rights of property owners, the simple answer is they can decide what can or cannot be done on their premises. This may also include transport vehicles such as buses and planes. It is possible that if you wanted to fund a legal challenge (or if a freedom group or union wanted to), there might be a loophole or two - but for all practical purposes, the owner decides.

3. Employment law
Here, I don't have any idea of the situation and only your union can assist. This is why you belong to a union, as only they have the power to go up against firms who behave unreasonably.

 

[DaveP]

Vaping rights pretty much depend on company policy and your boss's attitude. Look at some of the CASAA.org pamphlets for some public relations info you can print and distribute.

Search CASAA.org for more info.

http://www.casaa.org/files/CASAA-Ecig-TriFold-Brochure.pdf

 

[madjack]

errrrr, that's CASAA.org.....................................

 

[Pamdane]

If I remember from when I taught in the UK some 20 years ago, you car is your property. It sits on theirs with permission. What you do within it is your right. So, if by law they must give you a break between start and lunch, and between lunch and quitting time, you are within your rights to vape in the car. If you are one of many who does not use a car in the UK, get permission from another employee to use theirs. If possible, perhaps park in a lot that is not on your companies property. Then they have ABSOLUTELY no rights to enforce where you go or what you do on any break. As posted earlier, on their property you are bound to follow their rules or risk being unemployed.
Best wishes.
One thing to go armed with: a personal vaporizer is the same, even if it is the type used in a childs room when they are sick. Perhaps take one to tomorrows meeting and let them know that if one is prohibited, so is the other, and winters can get very dry. Get their thought processes going. Next explain that the vapor you exhale is the same used for fire fighter training. Do thye truly believe the power that be would allow a FF in training to be exposed to a harmful vapor? Again, just get them thinking. Maybe just ask if they want to be lumped in a category that is anti fire fighter? LOL.

 

[Jadc]

Yet again thanks for all the info I will go armed but not to much! lol don't want to risk them hating me or thinking I am trouble maker lol, Pamdane, that is some good information there about vaping in the car, do you have any proof like a law I can read up on about that because that would be brilliant as we would have finally stumped them...the company is just on a power trip urging to make us unhappy I am sure of it....It's like being in school sometimes and they are hell a lot older then me .... The company is world wide and the main head quarters is in the states and we are a main head quarters for the Europe having 60+ colleagues in the uk section but hey I will let you guy's know how it pans out tomorrow at 8am! they had to pick as soon as we start to ruin the rest of out day...bast*rds

 

[carpedebass]

errrrr, that's CASAA.org.....................................

Avast ye matey, ye be soundin' a bit like a pirate ye scallywag!

 

[madjack]

errrrrrrr, uhhhhhhhh, not arrrrrrrrrrr.................

 

[carpedebass]

errrrrrrr, uhhhhhhhh, not arrrrrrrrrrr.................

hee hee...

 

[Jadc]

Well had the meeting Vaping banned & smoking banned on the property inside and outside have to use the public road just out side pretty much...what a lovely message that is sending the customers we show around ... The managers said if you want to talk about it his door is open...but I was thinking what is the bloody point lol! Just have to use my skills of ninja vaping I have gathered over the year

 

[carpedebass]

Well had the meeting Vaping banned & smoking banned on the property inside and outside have to use the public road just out side pretty much...what a lovely message that is sending the customers we show around ... The managers said if you want to talk about it his door is open...but I was thinking what is the bloody point lol! Just have to use my skills of ninja vaping I have gathered over the year

Imagine all the man hours lost to folks having to hike to smoke...

 

[Jadc]

Imagine all the man hours lost to folks having to hike to smoke...

sorry forgot to add this only allowed during lunch from 12-1 or 1-2 and obviously home time at 5pm.....as I said back to Ninja Vaping...live life on the edge I say

 

[carpedebass]

sorry forgot to add this only allowed during lunch from 12-1 or 1-2 and obviously home time at 5pm.....as I said back to Ninja Vaping...live life on the edge I say

Bunch of crooks!! Sheesh! They can do pretty much anything they want these days because folks need jobs!!