Yes exactly.
Another odd thing I forgot:
When I unboxed it, the SVD from fasttech was dirty as hell... Obviously brand new, no signs of wear whatsoever, but just very dirty.
The Vamo I got from them was like that too.
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Yes exactly.
Another odd thing I forgot:
When I unboxed it, the SVD from fasttech was dirty as hell... Obviously brand new, no signs of wear whatsoever, but just very dirty.
The Vamo I got from them was like that too.
Having worked 14 years for a far eastern company a while back, (Toshiba) I can confirm that a lot of parts are outsourced from varying manufacturers (some from China), minor changes to the spec do occur frequently, usually in an attempt to cut production costs, also specs for the same model do vary depending on its export destination, each batch can vary slightly from the previous production run, the same part from different suppliers can look slightly different even though both perform the same function and are within spec.
I wouldn't have thought innokin were any different in that respect, knowing how some Chinese manufacturing practices work (QC is not their strongest point), I would be surprised if you ever got 2 SVD's exactly the same in every respect.
I wouldn't have thought innokin were any different in that respect, knowing how some Chinese manufacturing practices work (QC is not their strongest point), I would be surprised if you ever got 2 SVD's exactly the same in every respect.
the statement cannot verify them to be real so they should be treated as fake. not saying the are really fake but Innokin claims no responsibility for them. Fasttech guarantees them to be real so it up to the buyer. i would probably file a complaint with fasttech since yours doesnt match the one pictured.
I don't have one, I was just questioning your definitive statement that Innokin had declared them to be fake, which you have now withdrawn.
I'm not so sure about a protoype .The only red LEDS I've ever seen for SVDs are these ones that are definitely not made by Innokin:
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I wouldn't take that as an indicator. Mine was clean. And I've seen people say they received genuine Innokins and they needed cleaning. That's just end process QC stuff. I think if there are actual clones it will be about the parts and manufacturing.
I don't see the Vamo as relevant - more than one factory makes them - they are a type rather than a brand.
I'm not challenging the hypothesis, but statistically, you would need a larger sample size to make any sort of definitive conclusion, probably a minimum of 10 units, 10 directly from Innokin (remove the variable that a US reseller might also be selling 'copies') and 10 from Fasttech ...including opening them up and seeing if there are any differences on the inside.
We know, for a fact, that Innokin made changes to their MVP units in mid production (added eGo threading) sometime between "mid-2012" and current, without making a version change. That at least sets a precedence for un-announced changes to production parts and, therefore, has to be taken into account in the study.
My guess is, you would likely be hard-pressed to find any two devices exactly alike in every way, the chinese simply do not operate under the same production and quality control methods that are more common with US manufacturing (which contributes a great deal to why US products are typically more expensive).
Again, I'm not saying they aren't "fakes" or "copies" ...I'm just saying there's not enough information here based on exactly 1 sample to form a conclusion.
We know, for a fact, that Innokin made changes to their MVP units in mid production (added eGo threading) sometime between "mid-2012" and current, without making a version change. That at least sets a precedence for un-announced changes to production parts and, therefore, has to be taken into account in the study.
My guess is, you would likely be hard-pressed to find any two devices exactly alike in every way, the chinese simply do not operate under the same production and quality control methods that are more common with US manufacturing (which contributes a great deal to why US products are typically more expensive).
Again, I'm not saying they aren't "fakes" or "copies" ...I'm just saying there's not enough information here based on exactly 1 sample to form a conclusion.
grimmgreen did a review on the SVD. The first one he got was a beta version. Then later he did a review on the production model. It looks like you have a mix of both models.
Even if it's a "fake", the components probably come from the same factories anyway.
If it works I'd wouldn't be too worried.
The Sigelei Zmax is technically a "fake" too - but it's better than the original Smok version.
If it works I'd wouldn't be too worried.
The Sigelei Zmax is technically a "fake" too - but it's better than the original Smok version.
Considering you can buy the exact same item from the same vendor and get small differences the info in this thread seems anecdotal at best. Believe what you want and act accordingly. What kind of warranty did the OP get with their "legit" SVD? Five months down the road will the vendor replace the unit?
I have an SVD from Fasttech and it is identical to the SVD the OP is claimed legit. Curious myself, an image search shows various different reputable vendors selling what looks like 2 or 3 slightly different versions. I'm completely happy with mine.
I will let you know what I think of mine when it arrives.
The factory where the SVDs are made will just be an assembly plant, all the parts will have been made and brought in from elsewhere made by a variety of manufacturers, each individual part is likely to be sourced from more than one manufacturer, so there will be quite a bit of variation between batches.
The factory where the SVDs are made will just be an assembly plant, all the parts will have been made and brought in from elsewhere made by a variety of manufacturers, each individual part is likely to be sourced from more than one manufacturer, so there will be quite a bit of variation between batches.
My SVD ordered from a supplier here just broke. Shipped it back and waiting on a replacement.
Will be curious to see if any differences appear from initial release to now.
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Will be curious to see if any differences appear from initial release to now.
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Hiya,
I snapped a couple of quick pics today. I have put them below under yours - they show that Fasttech SVD is the same as your "legit" SVD in some respects. I think this is about what parts Innokin make use of with each run they do. Pics below:
This is my fasttech SVD in 18350 mode. It came with the short tube. As you can see it goes right up to the bottom of the screen like your "legit" SVD on the left in your picture.
Here's my Fasttech one - the button is the same as your "legit one" on the left of your pic:
(Note: the button has light reflecting - it does't have a permanent shaded part across like it looks here).
I snapped a couple of quick pics today. I have put them below under yours - they show that Fasttech SVD is the same as your "legit" SVD in some respects. I think this is about what parts Innokin make use of with each run they do. Pics below:
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Here both are in 18350 mode, fully tightened:
This is my fasttech SVD in 18350 mode. It came with the short tube. As you can see it goes right up to the bottom of the screen like your "legit" SVD on the left in your picture.
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- Fasttech fire button is black and shiny, legit button is less dark and grainy: the battery charge color indication is easier to see through it.
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Here's my Fasttech one - the button is the same as your "legit one" on the left of your pic:
(Note: the button has light reflecting - it does't have a permanent shaded part across like it looks here).
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I'm not sure that I do have the fat top plate. Maybe you could give a height measurement of your two? Mine doesn't have the two extra holes at the bottom of the threads. And to my surprise the 510 is spring loaded on mine.
Edit : Oh, the one you think is a copy is the spring loaded one. Just figured that. I see the spring load as an advantage.
So - on my Fasttech SVD the tube length, fire button are the same as your "legit" SVD. It looks like they change the parts around a bit depending on what's been made for them. Or who makes them for them perhaps.
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Subscribed to this thread. I've got one winging it's way to me from FT as we speak, hopefully it should be here in a few days.
I do appreciate that certain aspects of a product do change over time, it's the same with most items.
All I know is, if it works the way I want it to I'll be happy. Maybe it is a copy, maybe it isn't. Maybe it's got different parts from different sources or production runs, maybe not. It keeps me smoke free and it's a new toy to play with, that's all that really bothers me
I do appreciate that certain aspects of a product do change over time, it's the same with most items.
All I know is, if it works the way I want it to I'll be happy. Maybe it is a copy, maybe it isn't. Maybe it's got different parts from different sources or production runs, maybe not. It keeps me smoke free and it's a new toy to play with, that's all that really bothers me
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