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[alkaiser]

The problem with that statement is that up to a point, more vapour = more flavour.

A well built cotton setup will put out more vapour than a well built mesh setup even before you reach silly cloud chasing territory.

more vapor does not necessarily mean more flavor.

the same coil setup with cotton or mesh will not produce more vapor. the cotton and mesh are just wicks.

when you have too much airflow (more clouds!!), it cuts the flavor of the vapor. if the vapor's too hot, then the taste dulls as well.

there has to be a balance in terms of airflow and chamber size. smaller the chamber = higher concentration of vapor inside. that will give more flavor.

that's also why the smaller atomizers are known for flavor (cyclones/rm2/other 14 or 16mm atomizers/micro chambered gennies/etc)

 

[alkaiser]

what is a microchamber

it's basically where the top cap is reduced greatly to mimic the size of 14/16mm atomizers in chamber size.

here's an example of the rocket top cap (left most one)

 

[vapero]

I've been dripping almost 95% of the time for almost a year. I could easily vape 30-45 minutes each time, a mild inconvenience for the best results for me, but now with the new rdas it's just amazing, my origen v2 holds 50 drops and I just have to drip 3-4 times a day.

for me rdas are the best for the following reasons:
really easy to build
easy to fix if something is wrong (hate when I build a kayfun, aqua, aios or fogger, fill it up, vape and find something wrong with my coils|wicks|or flavor that i need to undo and drain everything)
really small (this is a must for me, I prefer a small rda and a medium size batt for big power than a tank and a 350 to get to an acceptable size)
flavor/vapor no tank has exceeded on this for me

 

[Rossum]

Can someone identify that atty please? That centerpost.. It's cool!

 

[vapero]

it's also easier to see the wick and coil health on a dripper, just take out the cap and see

 

[WattWick]

Can someone identify that atty please? That centerpost.. It's cool!

Gus Estia

it's also easier to see the wick and coil health on a dripper, just take out the cap and see

Same for gennies. One of the reasons I personally don't care too much for Kayfun style atties. The Squape R looks interesting, tho...

 

[ConradM]

more vapor does not necessarily mean more flavor.

the same coil setup with cotton or mesh will not produce more vapor. the cotton and mesh are just wicks.

when you have too much airflow (more clouds!!), it cuts the flavor of the vapor. if the vapor's too hot, then the taste dulls as well.

there has to be a balance in terms of airflow and chamber size. smaller the chamber = higher concentration of vapor inside. that will give more flavor.

that's also why the smaller atomizers are known for flavor (cyclones/rm2/other 14 or 16mm atomizers/micro chambered gennies/etc)

This. I'm actually kind of baffled that people are saying drippers have the best flavor as a general statement because they have so many things working against them in that regard.

 

[Bunnykiller]

what is a microchamber

ummm the place where the micro coil goes???

 

[st0nedpenguin]

more vapor does not necessarily mean more flavor.

the same coil setup with cotton or mesh will not produce more vapor. the cotton and mesh are just wicks.

when you have too much airflow (more clouds!!), it cuts the flavor of the vapor. if the vapor's too hot, then the taste dulls as well.

there has to be a balance in terms of airflow and chamber size. smaller the chamber = higher concentration of vapor inside. that will give more flavor.

that's also why the smaller atomizers are known for flavor (cyclones/rm2/other 14 or 16mm atomizers/micro chambered gennies/etc)

"Up to a point" was kinda the main point of the post you quoted.

And if you don't think a similar build on cotton will produce more vapour than mesh will, you need to play with cotton more.

 

[alkaiser]

"Up to a point" was kinda the main point of the post you quoted.

And if you don't think a similar build on cotton will produce more vapour than mesh will, you need to play with cotton more.

sorry i suck at reading. for some reason, i didn't see the up to a point.

i have lots of experience with cotton, and still use cotton in my drippers. if you wick cotton the same way as mesh (just wicking straight through), you'll get the same amount vapor as long as your mesh build doesn't suck. however, you will get more vapor if you have more of the cotton making connection with the coil (such as tucking excess wick under the coil). it's all about surface area and wicking. the problem with cotton/rayon (i've tried all kinds from cvs sterile, kgd, sally's rayon, etc) is that it just doesn't have as clean as taste as mesh (for me at least).

 

[jakematic]

Apologies - did not see the question was already answered.
Having some vision issues today...

Can someone identify that atty please? That centerpost.. It's cool!

GUS Estia

 

[Jdbaker82]

I'm confused as to why anyone wouldn't use a RDA lol.. different strokes for different folks

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[BeRight]

Caught me - I am among the rare and strange breed that only use RDAs.

Prefer their flavor and vapor production.

Prefer their short height, simplicity, and reliability - they just keep on working.

MVP2 + Origen or Magma + plastic Innokin Ucan like device (for juice) clipped to my belt loop and I am out the door.

For me its simple, inexpensive, great quality and reliable vape.

And yes after experimenting with numerous coil builds (gauges, wraps, single thru quad) I've settled on simple single micro coil, 12 wraps, 5/64 drill bit, 28 gauge kanthal, 1.5 ohms and vape at 8 watts.

Oh no I guess this makes me a vaping simpleton

 

[edyle]

I've been dripping almost 95% of the time for almost a year. I could easily vape 30-45 minutes each time, a mild inconvenience for the best results for me, but now with the new rdas it's just amazing, my origen v2 holds 50 drops and I just have to drip 3-4 times a day.

for me rdas are the best for the following reasons:
really easy to build
easy to fix if something is wrong (hate when I build a kayfun, aqua, aios or fogger, fill it up, vape and find something wrong with my coils|wicks|or flavor that i need to undo and drain everything)
really small (this is a must for me, I prefer a small rda and a medium size batt for big power than a tank and a 350 to get to an acceptable size)
flavor/vapor no tank has exceeded on this for me

This is the sort of thing about the new rda's that can make them a real alternative even for new converts; just getting 5 to 15 min out of one squirt/wetting is all you need for a replacement to smoking, after all a real cigarette only lasts 5 to 15 minutes. Plus you might be less chain vaping with a dripper because there's an end/slowdown.

 

[cracoucax]

- Drippers are as simple as it gets : coil, wick, nothing else whatsoever.
That mean hardly anything can go wrong with them that you couldn't fix on the spot.
Also means you have a lot of build possibilities
Tanks, either RTA, gennies or even clearos are so fiddly, there's always something wrong with them, always at the bad moment.
I guess your coil could break, that's about it and it doesn't happen out of the blue. It's also common to every system.

- Their flavor is outstanding, and it keeps getting better. See the magma, origen and others.
You don't have to build for clouds if you don't want to. My builds and airflow choices are always oriented toward flavor, on my magmas i'm not even sure i make as much vapor as a cotton protank. But the flavor is soooo concentrated, and the TH is strong.

- They can now have huge wells, more than 1ml. I chain vape alot, often 15 mls a day but a refill still lasts me a very long while, much more than a cigarette did mind you.

- If they're good you can easily close the air holes, so they can be very pocketable

- They're tiny compared to any tank. I'm gonna have a 18650 mod anyway so not having a Kayfun sized device on top it really nice...

- whatever the system used, even a reo i'd need a bottle of juice handy anyway for a full day

 

[WattWick]

This is the sort of thing about the new rda's that can make them a real alternative even for new converts; just getting 5 to 15 min out of one squirt/wetting is all you need for a replacement to smoking, after all a real cigarette only lasts 5 to 15 minutes. Plus you might be less chain vaping with a dripper because there's an end/slowdown.

It is quite nice with the bigger capacity drippers. Still (for me) it's sort of Schroedingers cat atty. Is there still liquid in there? Did I vape it dry? Will I get a dry hit? Will it flood it if I drip? Will it leak in my pockets? My vaping habits are too random to make it work properly. Sometimes I take 2-3 puffs every few minutes. Sometimes I take 10-30 puffs every couple of hours. Pyrex tanks are my friends

 

[cracoucax]

It is quite nice with the bigger capacity drippers. Still (for me) it's sort of Schroedingers cat atty. Is there still liquid in there? Did I vape it dry? Will I get a dry hit? Will it flood it if I drip? Will it leak in my pockets? My vaping habits are too random to make it work properly. Sometimes I take 2-3 puffs every few minutes. Sometimes I take 10-30 puffs every couple of hours. Pyrex tanks are my friends

i find it's easy to tell since the flavor will start to be lacking fast once the well is empty : the wick is drying. I can go on until i have no flavor or wick flavor if i feel like it, but i know it can take a full refill from that moment.

 

[edyle]

It is quite nice with the bigger capacity drippers. Still (for me) it's sort of Schroedingers cat atty. Is there still liquid in there? Did I vape it dry? Will I get a dry hit? Will it flood it if I drip? Will it leak in my pockets? My vaping habits are too random to make it work properly. Sometimes I take 2-3 puffs every few minutes. Sometimes I take 10-30 puffs every couple of hours. Pyrex tanks are my friends

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Methinks your liquid doth freeezeth!!

lol

 

[Rickajho]

Except I don't have a REO. I have nothing against them, they just never appealed to me enough to buy one.

I didn't get into bottom feeders because I was looking for a better vape; I was entirely satisfied with my DNA-powered Kayfuns at that point. What got me into them was seeing pics of some of pdib's first mods. I got in the queue for one thinking it would be a beautiful but impractical mod that would probably sit on my desk most of the time. Well, I couldn't have been more wrong about the impractical part. It's almost never been out of my arm's reach since the day I started vaping it,

Now if only someone would make a REGULATED bottom feeder in that form-factor, that would be the best of all possible worlds. But nobody does. Which, at least for the time being, means DIYing it.

Huh? I'm not sure what you are looking for or asking for here.

Reos already did make a regulated bottom feeder - the VV Grand using the Notcigs chip. Couldn't do sub ohm but it was VV regulated, and not a crappy 33 Hz PWM regulation either. It's since been discontinued but they show up in the classys - and sell fast. (Ask me how I know...)

That is being replaced with a Reo Grand that has sub ohm contacts in it, and will be designed to work with drop-in Kicks instead. Pick the Kick of your choice to get the performance you want on that one. Kick in: Regulated and working within the limits of the Kick you choose. Kick out: Sub ohm unregulated as low as you want.

 

[Rossum]

Huh? I'm not sure what you are looking for or asking for here.

Reos already did make a regulated bottom feeder - the VV Grand using the Notcigs chip. Couldn't do sub ohm but it was VV regulated, and not a crappy 33 Hz PWM regulation either. It's since been discontinued but they show up in the classys - and sell fast. (Ask me how I know...)

Yes, I've seen VV Grands. If a regular Grand doesn't appeal to me, do you think an even bigger VV Grand with stacked batteries would?

That is being replaced with a Reo Grand that has sub ohm contacts in it, and will be designed to work with drop-in Kicks instead. Pick the Kick of your choice to get the performance you want on that one. Kick in: Regulated and working within the limits of the Kick you choose. Kick out: Sub ohm unregulated as low as you want.

Or I can have it all in a smaller package with a more attractive (at least to me) form-factor, like this.