RBAs vs new RDAs

[XBarbarian]

Yes I was a PAD 19 year smoker. Lung hitting was never my intention. But as I built my coils lower and lower and needed more and more airflow I eventually had to lung to hit. So I guess you could say lung hitting is just a result of chasing that bigger hit.

Now I can't back to a "tight" draw device. I recently tried a Fogger v4 and while I could lung hit it, it took to much effort and I just don't care to mouth to lung anymore.

yep.. thats the deal.. one I had my tobh and all 3 holes open.. it was just naturally a lung hit.. and oh so sweet and airy... mouth hitting is hard to do now... my tobh is running on a cartel clone.. which is a heavy bronze mech thing, and generally.. only used at home...
I just ordered a VS rDNA 30, so, I may move the tobh to that, and maybe dripping on the go might not be as bad. I did order a R91 to go witht eh VS, hoping its isnt that restricted...

but.. today.. I spent the day reading about the REO's... and.. hm.. that may have to be the next thing.. a on the go, bottom fed dripper.. seems pretty much all REO owners love them..

 

[Rule62]

Funny how the lung hit thing evolves. The first time I tried a Zatty, a couple years ago, when I was sort of a genesis newbie, I thought the draw was crazy loose. I liked the tighter draws of the Cobra, the Bliss, and the DID. That was when most of us were building gennies at 1.0 ohm and above, and doing mouth to lung hits. Eventually, as I began building lower and lower, I ended up drilling out all those caps. I build everything, gennies and drippers, around .45-.5 ohms, and need the airflow to go with it for the lung hits. I never MTL anymore.

 

[Millah]

As a lot of others have mentioned in this thread, the beauty of an RDA is the airflow, and with the Magma its the domed top cap/dual coils/etc.

But for me, the primary benefit of an RDA is the simple fact that you're dripping e-liquid directly on the coil. You don't have to trust the tank system to wick properly, you are doing it yourself and ensuring a fully saturated coil every time you vape. For me thats the single biggest factor in using any RDA over a tank system. Especially with thicker liquids. While the Kayfun design is truly brilliant with the juice channels, I still have trouble with some juices not FULLY saturating my coil. The coil will still get wet, but its not like a fully saturated vape. I'm very sensitive to this (and I've discovered much more so than others it seems). Some people I know will use a thick juice inside of a Nautilus or something like that, and act like its wicking perfectly, but then when I try I can immediately notice the coil is not as wet as it should be.

I always heard from others in the vaping community that "you can't beat dripping, best flavor if you are willing to put up with it." And I had the exact same thoughts...."how could it be any different, they're all the same thing, its just a coil wrapped around a wick." It wasn't until I tried it for myself before I truly started discovering the benefits, and noticing the subtle details.

 

[xxJollyRogerxx]

As a lot of others have mentioned in this thread, the beauty of an RDA is the airflow, and with the Magma its the domed top cap/dual coils/etc.

But for me, the primary benefit of an RDA is the simple fact that you're dripping e-liquid directly on the coil. You don't have to trust the tank system to wick properly, you are doing it yourself and ensuring a fully saturated coil every time you vape. For me thats the single biggest factor in using any RDA over a tank system. Especially with thicker liquids. While the Kayfun design is truly brilliant with the juice channels, I still have trouble with some juices not FULLY saturating my coil. The coil will still get wet, but its not like a fully saturated vape. I'm very sensitive to this (and I've discovered much more so than others it seems). Some people I know will use a thick juice inside of a Nautilus or something like that, and act like its wicking perfectly, but then when I try I can immediately notice the coil is not as wet as it should be.

I always heard from others in the vaping community that "you can't beat dripping, best flavor if you are willing to put up with it." And I had the exact same thoughts...."how could it be any different, they're all the same thing, its just a coil wrapped around a wick." It wasn't until I tried it for myself before I truly started discovering the benefits, and noticing the subtle details.

Ah ... but that was my point! The Magma now has a "well" to "fill", albeit small, and wick from that but you are no longer simply dripping and that is what got me thinking about this. If they hadn't added that bit in it I would have kept on thinking about it that same way; you drip / vape some / drip more. But that addition and how it looked I thought "Shoot they could add a tank on it with a channel in there and they would be the same."

Then what if they added a squeeze bottle somewhere to fill the little well? That sounds like the REO doesn't it? or I think it does

 

[mujuru]

Funny how the lung hit thing evolves. The first time I tried a Zatty, a couple years ago, when I was sort of a genesis newbie, I thought the draw was crazy loose. I liked the tighter draws of the Cobra, the Bliss, and the DID. That was when most of us were building gennies at 1.0 ohm and above, and doing mouth to lung hits. Eventually, as I began building lower and lower, I ended up drilling out all those caps. I build everything, gennies and drippers, around .45-.5 ohms, and need the airflow to go with it for the lung hits. I never MTL anymore.

And here i thought that not many people out there were "stupid" enough to drill out their Bliss and Cobra... lol. I have mine drilled out as well! They both have airflow like and hit like a dripper. I've fallen back in love with my Bliss as of late. Small tank, but perfect for this scenario. And still love how it looks! And interestingly, i've settled in at .5Ω on my builds as well.

Back on topic: Yes, the line between different systems can be blurred at times IF you mod your topper. But if used as it comes from the makers, there's a hugh difference from topper to topper... even RDA or RDA. Which i think is great since everyone has their own personal preferences.

I definitely fall into the camp of the Kayfuns being a little too restrictive in terms of air. And mine generally sits and gets no love. But there was definitely a time when i enjoyed it very much. But currently... i'm a fan of big air flow, you can always adjust your air flow manually, by how hard you inhale... but you simply don't have that option with restrictive air flow.

Generally speaking, I'm more of a Mouth-Lung inhaler... but I like my hits to be quick and thick... and a loose draws allows for that.

 

[vapero]

I used to like semi tight draw at first and they did resembled a cigarette but after my first rda and a great suggestion from a fellow ecfer i drilled my cap, since then I've been doing lung hits and with my fruit menthols it now resembles a deep breath on this

man I love this on a hot summer day

 

[xxJollyRogerxx]

Well I think I am going to throw in a Magma on my next vape order So that i can expand my horizons and all that jazz. I am really curious now as to how it actually hits.

But the one thing I know i will not like too much (as mentioned already) is if it has some liquid in it, it will spill out if laid on its side. I always lay my attys on their side cuz i know if i don't it will get knocked over so I will just have to make sure there is no extra juice in it.

 

[ConradM]

That's not quite accurate. You can pack the magma with cotton, fill it with a good amount of juice and not worry about leaking.

 

[GeorgeWachsmuth]

My Magma doesn't leak. Its on its side now...I have been vaping it for a while..no leaking.

 

[XBarbarian]

But the one thing I know i will not like too much (as mentioned already) is if it has some liquid in it, it will spill out if laid on its side. I always lay my attys on their side cuz i know if i don't it will get knocked over so I will just have to make sure there is no extra juice in it.

a stand solves this sort of.. I use a small cup atm, and keep my dripper upright when its freshly filled between pulls.

 

[mujuru]

Well I think I am going to throw in a Magma on my next vape order So that i can expand my horizons and all that jazz. I am really curious now as to how it actually hits.

But the one thing I know i will not like too much (as mentioned already) is if it has some liquid in it, it will spill out if laid on its side. I always lay my attys on their side cuz i know if i don't it will get knocked over so I will just have to make sure there is no extra juice in it.

By design, it shouldn't leak unless its grossly overfilled... Upside down, it probably would, but not on its side. Funny cuz in many ways, the Magma reminds me of the old Vision Eternity (but on Steroids) which i actually liked, except for the really cheap material it was made of (kept breaking at the 510). I always wondered why no one improved on that design, cuz i always felt like they were actually on to something if refined and reinforced.

 

[granolaboy]

"Mouth to Lung"

Sounds like a bad porno movie

 

[Rule62]

Well I think I am going to throw in a Magma on my next vape order So that i can expand my horizons and all that jazz. I am really curious now as to how it actually hits.

But the one thing I know i will not like too much (as mentioned already) is if it has some liquid in it, it will spill out if laid on its side. I always lay my attys on their side cuz i know if i don't it will get knocked over so I will just have to make sure there is no extra juice in it.

Again, just shows how we're all different. I never lay mods on their side. They roll around and get scratched up. Mine are always standing on end.

 

[mujuru]

Again, just shows how we're all different. I never lay mods on their side. They roll around and get scratched up. Mine are always standing on end.

and i never set mine down... lol.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Interesting discussion.

I like RDA's for the freedom of builds - usually, they have a platform that allows a wider range of coil types and configurations. I also agree with the many who like the air flow considerations. I dislike RDA's for the pain of constant dripping (even the 1 ml of a Magma would get old quickly in terms of topping up).

I like RB/TA's for the convenience, pure and simple. They tend to leak less (less of an issue with something like the Magma, but the stereotype still holds true) and carry a day's supply of juice on board. I dislike RB/TA's for the (relatively) restrictive build platforms and the (relatively) PITA that is regular maintenance (e.g., rewicking a Kayfun).

For myself, the REO has become my stable state. It's just a bottom fed RDA with onboard juice and, thus, the best of both worlds. Interesting in that it's an old design and yet would seem to be where the trend is heading per the OP's observation - dripper performance with juice storage.

 

[Jdbaker82]

Magma has replaced everything in my arsenal ordered 4 magmas to always have different flavors loaded... Thing is like the perfect vape love everything about it

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[anumber1]

Curious as to what ohms you are running the magmas at then? sub-ohm? Are you using the same ohm on both the Kayfuns and the Magma?

I sub ohm the magma with dual 1.3 ohm coils, the same resistance and gauge wire in both my kayfun and magma (but dual coils in the magma), 28g. Micro coils. The magma measures at .6 ohms or so.

The kayfun gets really tricky to wick at subohms. I prefer to run my kayfun at 1.3 to 1.6 ohms.

 

[anumber1]

By design, it shouldn't leak unless its grossly overfilled... Upside down, it probably would, but not on its side. Funny cuz in many ways, the Magma reminds me of the old Vision Eternity (but on Steroids) which i actually liked, except for the really cheap material it was made of (kept breaking at the 510). I always wondered why no one improved on that design, cuz i always felt like they were actually on to something if refined and reinforced.

My magma will ooze if pocketed freshly filled or nearly filled.

It has no orings so even if you close the airflow ring, it is not "sealed". It's just not gonna collect pocket fuzz in the holes.

I have had a juicy pocket a few times. Now I just don't fill it if it may need to go in a pocket.

 

[XBarbarian]

For myself, the REO has become my stable state. It's just a bottom fed RDA with onboard juice and, thus, the best of both worlds. Interesting in that it's an old design and yet would seem to be where the trend is heading per the OP's observation - dripper performance with juice storage.

which atty ya run on your REO? Wonder if a Magma can be drilled to support bottom feeding? but the REO on the site seem to have a nice compact RDA attached and that makes sense as opposed to a 22mm atty..

 

[KC33]

I use my Magma almost exclusively for my single coil builds and keep the airflow opened on both ends. The flavor is only slightly diminished which is still leaps and bounds over a kayfun. The vape is too hot for me using duals on the Magma. I know a lot of ppl like that but to each their own.