Converting to E Cigs with regards to Nicotine content.

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greenie

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I'm using the M401 with 18mg drip. I usually put 4 or 5 drops in and that will last me most of the day. From what I've gleaned in this thread, I'm taking in WAY more nicotine than I did smoking Camels.

I know that when I used to over-smoke analogs I would start having hot flashes, and feel just generally sick. I haven't experienced that with the e-cig, so I find it hard to believe I'm over medicating. Has anyone had "nicotine sickness" while dripping?

Analogs make me sick too but it was very hard to quit. This is the main reason I switched to the e-cig. It is clean and I don't get sick at all! I feel healthy as a matter of fact. I do vape during the day so I was feeling I got less nicotine than even one cigarette delivers. Which isn't a bad thing in my opinion.

Here is a thread that talks about nicotine amounts I found helpful and confirmed my suspicions.;)
As I cannot post links yet I can only give you the thread subject title.
Be aware-how-much-you-vape
 

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oh, thanks, I was freaking out, lol! So I sucked down almost 540 mg in 4 days?..................:lol: oops! No wonder I feel like sh*t:shock:
roflmao........
damned crack-head is what I am, can't stop laughing now.............
Anyways, any idea how many drops makes a ml?
approx 15 drops
 

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I am a true NooB; I just started within the last 2 weeks. I'm finally doing what I should have done a couple weeks ago and do my research.

I bought a VX2 manual. It seems to not give me the vapor I have seen in the 510, so I will be swithcnig soon when I can pony up the cash.

I tend to fill more frequently through out the day because of the longer than needed cartridge which really doesn't get to the atomizer while the filler gets in the way. It also makes me drip to get that "throat hit."

The way I see it, a pack of smokes has 22 MG of Nic, and I was smoking a pack a day or a little more. I bought different flavors of 16 MG in 10 ML bottles. As long as I make the bottle last a week, I don't exceed that 160 MGs of nic I was roughly taking in with analogs.

Breaking down to the per drip and per drop and per cartridge just seems senseless to me as I just read in some posts. I want vaping to be enjoyable for me so that I don't smoke the analogs - not a chore.

There is no way I'm about to run a spreadsheet and keep track on a daily basis. I will save that ad-hoc analytics request for the business engineering team. :)
 

ngarriso

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:) Just got my Kit Smoking everywhere Gold edition. I smoke about 15 cigs a day. When I put together a ecig from the kit it had hardly any smoke.. I cant tell what the cartridges are as far as levels.
Shouldnt I get more smoke? The film shows lots of smoke.
If I dont get smoke then I wont be able to replace my real cigerettes.
HELP!
 

nick76

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Cata where did you get the info : 1 typical pack cigarette = 20mg nicotine ?
I just read in some health related sites that said : 1 typical cigarette contains 8-9mg nicotine but we take in our body about 2-3mg each cig for light smoker.

So a pack cig = 2 X 20 = 40mg (to 60mg maybe)

Vaping 2ml of 14mg/ml = 28mg

I'm a newbie here can't post a link

I love my Joye510 and M402
 

wisegirlz

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:) Just got my Kit Smoking everywhere Gold edition. I smoke about 15 cigs a day. When I put together a ecig from the kit it had hardly any smoke.. I cant tell what the cartridges are as far as levels.
Shouldnt I get more smoke? The film shows lots of smoke.
If I dont get smoke then I wont be able to replace my real cigerettes.
HELP!
ngarriso - I had the same issue with my Smoking Everywhere ecig (about a month ago). I bought some juice to drop in the cart. Worked better that way. Then, after a gazillion hours reading these forums, I bought a 510 with a manual battery. My Smoking Everywhere cig has not left its case since. I love the 510 no comparison. Also no analogs for 3 weeks. Hang in there - you will not be disappointed. Best of luck to you!
 

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:) Just got my Kit Smoking everywhere Gold edition. I smoke about 15 cigs a day. When I put together a ecig from the kit it had hardly any smoke.. I cant tell what the cartridges are as far as levels.
Shouldnt I get more smoke? The film shows lots of smoke.
If I dont get smoke then I wont be able to replace my real cigerettes.
HELP!

Pull easy on the puff, hard pulling pulls in too much air. Also, don't let your fingers block the air intake holes at the atomizer, very easy to.;)

ZZ
 
I did a little research on the nicotine intake issue. Nowhere will you find how much nicotine is in a pack of cigarettes from the tobacco companies, but I did find some answers from some independent labs. For Marlboros there is an average of 1.89 mg of nicotine in EACH cigarette!!! That's almost 38mg per pack times two for me puts me at 76mg a day for smokes. I'm puffing on the Red Dragon e-cigs and I get almost a full day on one 16mg cart, and I puff on it alot through the day. I may have to start another one after dinner and that's it.So by my calcs. I'm cutting my nicotine intake quite a bit.

Hmmm I think we need to be a it careful here, it's rather confusing, but I think there is a difference between how much nicotine is in a ciggie and how muh you inhale.
I beleive I read somewhere that most of of the nicotine in a cigarette is
actually burnt so you don't inhale it as nicotine but it's combusted components which will probably be CO2, H20, NO2 or whatever so it similar to petrol in an engine, most of it is burns and CO2 and water come out the exhaust, with perhaps a little uncompusted petrol (very little in a modern engine).

But then again I don't know if the figure is the nicotine figure is what is in
the ciggie or the ammount they assume is inhaled.

All rather confusing.




Anyway I stumble upon some thing else from wikipedia.

Research suggests that, when smokers wish to achieve a stimulating effect, they take short quick puffs, which produce a low level of blood nicotine. This stimulates nereve transimssion When they wish to relax, they take deep puffs, which produce a high level of blood nicotine, which depresses the passage of nerve impulses, producing a mild sedative effect. At low doses, nicotine potently enhances the actions of norepinephrine and dopamine in the brain, causing a drug effect typical of those of psychostimulants. At higher doses, nicotine enhances the effect of serotonin and opiates activity, producing a calming, pain killing effect. Nicotine is unique in comparison to most drugs, as its profile changes from stimulant to sedative/pain killer in increasing dosages and use.
Technically, nicotine is not significantly addictive, as nicotine administered alone does not produce significant reinforcing properties. However, only after coadministration with an MAOI , such as those found in tobacco, nicotine produces significant behavioral sensitization, a measure of addiction potential. This is similar in effect to mphetamine.




Basically that when you go to the doctors for anit-depressants, pain killers, sedatives or whatever, he might as well hand you a pack of 20 and say "try these and see how you get on with them!!"

Infact it seem 90% of modern pharamcy is derived from tobacco!!!!!!

I recognise all of those cos I have a book on medicines, seretoin is asicaly Prozac.

However there does seem to one ingrediant missing and that is MAOI,
Monoamine oxidase inhibitors, so you won't get that from vaping cos it is not in nicoteen! Maybe some people find there is 'something' missing when vaping? (I have not tried yet).

And a very interesting thing about MAOI is...rum roll.......

Monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs) are a class of powerful antidepressant drugs prescribed for the treatment of depression They are particularly effective in treating atypical depression and have also shown efficacy in smoking sessation.


Smoking cessation eh? Of course you brain is still getting the same chemical!
I was actually on anti-depresants for a while but I asked to come of them because "I didn't like all those hemicals in my brain", which seems very ironic now, of course my doctor should have said "Well why the hell do you smoke then!!".

I have always taken he view that people who smoke are effectively self medicating, same goes for any drug, but I never knew quite how true that was!!

Anyway a bit of a long waffle, I forgot what I was talking about in the first place!!
 
Hi all, just got my e cig last night(501). I don't want to read through 17 pages of posts, so my question is in a 24mg bottle of juice, is it 24mg per cartridge filled or 24mg per ml or neither?


I always tough 24mg in a bottle however I see different bottle sizes, eg 20ml
and 30ml, both labled 24mg, which would mean the smaller bottle was 'stronger' in concentration, and I am sure that is not the case?

Or is it? I am a bit confused myself now, I guess it must be per ml as that is the only way it can make sense.

These companies are rather irresponsible I think, as this stuff can be dangerous in overdose etc...
 

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I always tough 24mg in a bottle however I see different bottle sizes, eg 20ml
and 30ml, both labled 24mg, which would mean the smaller bottle was 'stronger' in concentration, and I am sure that is not the case?

Or is it? I am a bit confused myself now, I guess it must be per ml as that is the only way it can make sense.

These companies are rather irresponsible I think, as this stuff can be dangerous in overdose etc...
it is per ml and you are not going to overdose vaping......I have lab results FWIW
 

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Hmmm I think we need to be a it careful here, it's rather confusing, but I think there is a difference between how much nicotine is in a ciggie and how muh you inhale.
I beleive I read somewhere that most of of the nicotine in a cigarette is
actually burnt so you don't inhale it as nicotine but it's combusted components which will probably be CO2, H20, NO2 or whatever so it similar to petrol in an engine, most of it is burns and CO2 and water come out the exhaust, with perhaps a little uncompusted petrol (very little in a modern engine).

But then again I don't know if the figure is the nicotine figure is what is in
the ciggie or the ammount they assume is inhaled.

All rather confusing.




Anyway I stumble upon some thing else from wikipedia.

Research suggests that, when smokers wish to achieve a stimulating effect, they take short quick puffs, which produce a low level of blood nicotine. This stimulates nereve transimssion When they wish to relax, they take deep puffs, which produce a high level of blood nicotine, which depresses the passage of nerve impulses, producing a mild sedative effect. At low doses, nicotine potently enhances the actions of norepinephrine and dopamine in the brain, causing a drug effect typical of those of psychostimulants. At higher doses, nicotine enhances the effect of serotonin and opiates activity, producing a calming, pain killing effect. Nicotine is unique in comparison to most drugs, as its profile changes from stimulant to sedative/pain killer in increasing dosages and use.
Technically, nicotine is not significantly addictive, as nicotine administered alone does not produce significant reinforcing properties. However, only after coadministration with an MAOI , such as those found in tobacco, nicotine produces significant behavioral sensitization, a measure of addiction potential. This is similar in effect to mphetamine.




Basically that when you go to the doctors for anit-depressants, pain killers, sedatives or whatever, he might as well hand you a pack of 20 and say "try these and see how you get on with them!!"

Infact it seem 90% of modern pharamcy is derived from tobacco!!!!!!

I recognise all of those cos I have a book on medicines, seretoin is asicaly Prozac.

However there does seem to one ingrediant missing and that is MAOI,
Monoamine oxidase inhibitors, so you won't get that from vaping cos it is not in nicoteen! Maybe some people find there is 'something' missing when vaping? (I have not tried yet).

And a very interesting thing about MAOI is...rum roll.......

Monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs) are a class of powerful antidepressant drugs prescribed for the treatment of depression They are particularly effective in treating atypical depression and have also shown efficacy in smoking sessation.


Smoking cessation eh? Of course you brain is still getting the same chemical!
I was actually on anti-depresants for a while but I asked to come of them because "I didn't like all those hemicals in my brain", which seems very ironic now, of course my doctor should have said "Well why the hell do you smoke then!!".

I have always taken he view that people who smoke are effectively self medicating, same goes for any drug, but I never knew quite how true that was!!

Anyway a bit of a long waffle, I forgot what I was talking about in the first place!!

There are quite a lot of innacuracies and assumptions in your post. Modern pharmacy wasn't derived from tobacco. It was only recently it was discovered tobacco triggers these particular neuromessengers inside of you. Claiming that Prozac IS serotonin is also stupid - Prozac activates serotonin, it's not the physical neuromessenger. Claiming you don't want to have "too many chemicals in your head" is also quite a strange thing to say, considering these chemicals are always present in your mind - it just takes a psychoactive substance to release them. MAOIs and Tobacco do not produce the same chemicals in your mind...MAOIs work together with nicotine inside a cigarette to create the effects that tobacco does.
 

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Wish I'd had this help when I started. Great advice to people getting started; GO EASY. Didn't realize I was getting a nicotine overdose until I bought some of the 34 mg unflavored and began flavoring my own without cutting with glycerin the first time. Talk about RLS (restless leg syndrome), it was so bad I had to go to the recliner and spend one of the most sleepless nights ever. My wife caught on and pointed out that the only thing she could figure out was too much nicotine while I was still vaping away at 3 AM with a case of "jimmy legs" that would have made a good episode of Seinfeld in the day.
 

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I can't believe I read all 18 pages in this thread. But very informative about the strength of e-juice and nicotine consumption.

For almost 15 years I have smoked around 1/2 pack of Marlboro Menthol Lights. That's 10 cigs a day. Sometimes I would smoke more, but I dont remember ever finishing a pack in one day.

Well I bought blucigs and 401 Dragon Kit. Had no idea of nicotine content until I read this thread. I read on another thread that you will know when you body has enough nicotine. It made a lot of sense.

I have been vaping almost the entire day using truesmokers 18mg watermelon juice. I have been dripping 2-3 drops constantly since I woke up!. It seems to me that's a lot of nicotine. But the weird thing I dont feel anything. Like I dont have enough nicotine.. I almost bought a 24mg bottle but now it seems I have to get a 12mg bottle.

One thing I wonder is if I am actually getting the same or more of the nicotine content I was getting before with an analog. It does not feel like it, but according to the math I am getting 3-4 times more than I was getting before.
 

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I believe the nicotine content in regular smokes or e-juice must be wrong somewhere. I am pretty new at this, and have been vaping for about 1 week now.

I have 2 X 18mg 10ML bottles of ejuice I purchased and in about 1 week the bottles are 1/4 full (near empty). According to the math, that seems to equal over 2 cartons or more of normal cigarettes. Yet, I always feel I dont have enough nicotine. Need to constantly vape.
 

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I've only been off analogs for a few days, but was wonding why I was having really bad nicotine withdrawl symptoms even though I was using a higher cart nicotine rating than my old analog rating. So I read this entire thread and then started poking around this on line.
I found a few studes about absorbtion rates that I thought were pertinent to this conversation. According to the very few studies done on absorbtion of available nicotine that I could find, the cartridges/juice deliver more nicotine on the inhale, but much less (10X less) is available for absorbtion. Kind of like taking a strong multi vitamin but only being able to process a tenth of it. At 16 mg strength in my cart, I'd only be absorbing 1.6 of that, which is much less than the amount I'd absorb from a pack or even half pack of analogs.

No wonder I had crazy withdawl symptoms.

Here are two of the studies I looked at.

According to the site/study by Dr Laugesen on the Ruyan e cigarette only one tenth of the available nicotine in an ecig is actually absorbed.

Table 1 Nicotine doses deliverable from a tobacco and a Ruyan® nicotine e-cigarette

Manufactured tobacco cigarette
Per puff 0.1 mg
Per 15 puffs or one cigarette 1.5 mg
Per 300 puffs (20 cigarettes or 1 nicotine cartridge) 30 mg

Ruyan® 16 mg cartridge
Per puff 0.010 mg
Per 15 puffs or one cigarette 0.15 mg
Per 300 puffs (20 cigarettes or 1 nicotine cartridge) 3 mg

Ruyan® 0 mg cartridge
Per puff 0.0 mg
Per 15 puffs or one cigarette 0.0 mg
Per 300 puffs (20 cigarettes or 1 nicotine cartridge) 0 mg

The full report can be found by googling the drs name and the word "ruyan" (I"m not yet permitted to post links in this forum).

I know this isn't a lot of data to work from (I'd like to see more studies), but it does at least explain what I was exerpiencing. YMMV
Personally, (and I'm not actually recomending anyone else try this approach--just saying what I think I'm going to try) . . . starting tomorrow, I'm going to try increasing my juice strenght and increasing my number of puffs. If all this data is true, it won't get me to absorbing the actual amount my body is used to, but might get me close enough to deal with the cravings/symptoms. Then I can start a less drastic weaning of myself off the nicotine and hopefully be free of it this time next year (or at least completely off the analogs). If its all wrong, I may get a bit nausous and back off this plan asap.
 
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