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Cops mistaking ecigs for Other Stuff
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I value my, and your, rights more than that. If you do not stand for principle you stand for nothing.
I cannot comment on every state in the United States.
I live in Virginia.
"Under no circumstances will I consent to a search"
And what gave them probable cause for the dog sniff? It seems like Virginia is one of those hybrid States that believe in probable cause only part of the time.
reading all of your replies makes me (here in the UK) feel somewhat "Sorry" for you over there ... I can honestly say we NEVER get the attitude from the cops over here that you guys get, Obviously we too have the "probable cause" type of thing but only if the officer actually "Smells" something "odd" in the car hes pulled over ........ Many Many Moons ago I was smoking "other stuff" (gave it up years ago) just got bored with it & the price was prohibitive as well.
i got pulled over Loads of times (Poppin red Lights & Speeding ect ect) but never once got searched for ANYTHING
Having "holidayed" in your fair country I did find your Cops were far more "aggressive" than ours in the UK..... I mean we dont "have" to carry any documentation with us in the car ... & if we do get get pulled over we just get a "producer" slip .. (we have to produce our Licence/insurance/MOT at the local police station within 7 days ... (no big hassle)
**NOTE** .... MOT = "Ministry of Transport Test" every car over 3 years old must pass this "roadworthy" test every 12 months, without it we cannot get our insurance or "Road Fund Licence" to enable the car to be driven legally on the public road ...
i got pulled over Loads of times (Poppin red Lights & Speeding ect ect) but never once got searched for ANYTHING
Having "holidayed" in your fair country I did find your Cops were far more "aggressive" than ours in the UK..... I mean we dont "have" to carry any documentation with us in the car ... & if we do get get pulled over we just get a "producer" slip .. (we have to produce our Licence/insurance/MOT at the local police station within 7 days ... (no big hassle)
**NOTE** .... MOT = "Ministry of Transport Test" every car over 3 years old must pass this "roadworthy" test every 12 months, without it we cannot get our insurance or "Road Fund Licence" to enable the car to be driven legally on the public road ...
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When I went to MEPS (military entrance processing station) they asked if my mod was a bomb.
Some days, I think people have a giant neon arrow following them around that says "Hey Mr Policeman, please hassle me!" or something. Even when driving cross country in an old school bus, through ICE checkpoints in border states, ultra conservative small towns in states like Utah and Nevada with out of state plates and "hippy" stickers on the back, I have never even noticed a second glance from a representative of the local law enforcement community.
I dunno, it seems like some people are just spoiling for a fight with the police or "The System" and get all crazy about it when their wish comes true.
I dunno, it seems like some people are just spoiling for a fight with the police or "The System" and get all crazy about it when their wish comes true.
I have a bunch of cop friends and they've seen me vape. They're always joking around that I am smoking {SOMETHING BAD} and of course, I act all stupid and pretend {SOMETHING BAD}. Thankfully, they've known me long enough that I don't do that. But I also came across another cop that's seen me vaping and he knows what it is since, according to him, his cousin opened up a vape shop. And one of my cop friends actually started vaping thanks to me. So there are cops out there that's starting to know about vaping.
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If you have nothing to hide Kristin, why do you have curtains on your windows? You may be happy giving up your rights and being pushed around, but some if us still believe we were born "free".
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CA here too. I honestly don't know anyone who uses devices for "other stuff". The vaping community is quite popular from San Francisco to Sacramento (I'm sure elsewhere, but this is all I know), brick & mortar shops are popping up everywhere. Even gas stations have disposables (even the one on base). The only other substance I've seen anyone do is the shisha pens, which seeing as how there are hookah bars all over, it was bound to become popular.
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Part of the reason though is that your cops are generally not armed, so they have to "play it safe" a bit more and can't afford to be overly aggressive. You are also a lot more laid back over there.
The problem is the vaping community is split into two, and there isn't much overlap. The only reason I realize just how big that other community is, is because of my acquaintances over the years. In fact until a few months ago I didn't realize the vaping community was as big as it was, and I still feel it is smaller compared to the other side. Ours only seems bigger because it is legal (for the most part) so there is no real hiding it going on.
The other big problem is that the majority of shops in LA look like, or are head shops. Dark inside, scraggly staff. Dragons on their websites. That aesthetic needs to be broken away from. Owners need to not look like cons. Not that I care about how people dress, but you can't expect a politician or policeman to take you seriously if you look like a hells angel drug cooker. A little polish on the business side will go a long way in this industry.
I'm gonna post this one more time. Next time, this thread will be closed.
PLEASE READ THIS!
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ation/255864-why-we-dont-allow-drug-talk.html
PLEASE READ THIS!
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ation/255864-why-we-dont-allow-drug-talk.html
I honestly never considered officers mistaking electronic cigarettes for anything other than what they are. They're extremely commonplace here, which is a little weird because it's such a small city. We have two B&Ms and then a few in nearby cities. I even have a friend that's an officer that I convinced to try ecigs, and he loves them, which I guess was nice for him to educate fellow officers. I'm glad to read a lot of the thoughts and opinions as I'll be traveling, and this was not something I had considered.
I have curtains on my windows for no other reason than the fact that my boyfriend and I would blind people if they saw us running around in here in the nude.
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I got pulled over by a state trooper for a bad inspection sticker and he asked me about my Tesla but it was more curiosity than anything else. I let him check it out (I offered ) and he asked a few questions, said it was neat and sent me on my way without a ticket! I have dbag civilians ask me if it's for that constantly though
I am totally against drugs. I'm saying it is a problem. I am completely on your side. The industry needs to change.
C'mon Man don't get yer Panties in a twizzle!!!!....... The very fact that we're DISCUSSING the fact that some Officers of the Law COULD get it WRONG means it <<<< "the "D" word" Has to be "Implied" about ..... i have read every single post on this thread & where the "D" Word HAS been Implied it was in a NEGATIVE CONTEXT
Totally agree if someone posts "hey have you tried XXXXXXX or YYYYYYYYYY in/on a Vamo" ect ect .. then SURE come down on em like a ton of bricks & ban em...... NO PROBS THERE.........but the fact of the matter is we are discussing Law enforcement "MISTAKES" which means we have NO CHOICE but to OCCASIONALLY mention the "D" Word .......
I have owned & run Forums fer over 25 years DIRECT MENTION of "Things" .. oh Yeah Deleted & Banned NO QUESTION ... but using "IT" as a Reference in/on another subject (as in Here) ..... will / would NOT cause a Problem surely ..
SHH
You would think, the way vaping is taking off, and the other stuff legal in other states, police countrywide would be briefed on the difference between nic juice and the other stuff and hardware to avoid harassment complaints. I am upset they found a way to vape the other stuff. They have other non smoking delivery methods. They need to leave vaping out of it!
What I just told the owners of a new vape shop in a small town, get out infront, have a staff meeting with your local PD. Intro them to the product, describe what its supposed to do, know what to ask, have a clean shop, light and open, don't sell other "Stuff" (that the mere mention of evokes a ban hammer here), keep your personal appearance clean, speak with proper etiquette, be courteous, help your neighbors.
These are no-nonsense things to do, that everyone should do, if there is this 'movement' to be taken seriously, not to be banned, not to be tread on, not to be lobbied against, not to be shunned. Freedom of expression is fine. If you say you are leading an industry, especially one, that has the potential to be the future disrupter of a 400+ year old trade, you better look a little sharp. Your opponents wear suits, have MBA's, well connected family, money to lobby. You detractors are in shock, un-educated about your product, believing mis-information. If you are infront of a movement, then clean up and look like it.
Otherwise, those who dont, are in it for the money, and not allot. A tiny bit. A big little man complex. A bunch of teenagers working for you, no foresight beyond tomorrow. Just a hustle. So be it. Don't expect, or think you deserve respect when you show up on the legislators doorstep. You won't be taken seriously, people see right through it. A hustler, trying to protect their street corner.
If you sell e-cigs in a local geography, its your job to legitimize them.
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