Cotton Boiling?

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CVS organic for me, straight outta bag and into my RDA's, No special measures taken except thorough washing and drying of my hands prior to use. Only off taste is during initial burn off, which my dumb .... used to vape through, now I just burn it with cap off and blow on it for first 1-3 loads of juice depending on the juice going on.

Perhaps some day I will try another wick material although plain 'ol organic cotton balls work for me. And apparently works for most folk who shop at my local b&m as their standard wick material for builds (for employees and customers alike) is the same exact product from same store I buy from.

That said, I deal with a lot of nasty crap (both figuratively and literally) in my line of work. To worry about what is going to hold the juice in my e-cig and wick it for me... Well thats the least of my concerns in life :)
 

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Im still wondering what is in the cotton that everyone is so afraid of that they feel they need to boil it??

if its hydrogen peroxide, that breaks down to oxygen and water... and if the cotton is dry in the bag then there isnt any water left and the oxygen is at normal atmospherical levels. and no telling whats in tap water... someone mentioned the smell of chlorine when boiling the cotton... the chlorine smell came from the water.... not the cotton.

also what amazes me is that before people vaped they most likely smoked... did they worry about how many bug legs they puffed on?? I doubt it..
 

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Rayon is a fiber that comes from organic materials and is processed just like cotton.


Rayon is not processed just like cotton at all. Rayon is a synthetic fiber made from high-cellulose organic stuff (mostly wood). You can see how sophisticated process of rayon production is (Wikipedia):

First, cellulose is prodused:
Viscose - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Viscose rayon is a fiber of regenerated cellulose; it is structurally similar to cotton. Cellulose is a linear polymer of β-D-glucose units with the empirical formula (C6H10O5)n.[2] To prepare viscose, dissolving pulp is treated with aqueous sodium hydroxide (typically 16-19% w/w) to form "alkali cellulose," which has the approximate formula [C6H9O4-ONa]n. The alkali cellulose is then treated with carbon disulfide to form sodium cellulose xanthate.[3]
[C6H9O4-ONa]n + nCS2 → [C6H9O4-OCS2Na]n
The higher the ratio of cellulose to combined sulfur, the lower the solubility of the cellulose xanthate. The xanthate is dissolved in aqueous sodium hydroxide (typically 2-5% w/w) and allowed to depolymerize to a desired extent, indicated by the solution's viscosity. The rate of depolymerization (ripening or maturing) depends on temperature and is affected by the presence of various inorganic and organic additives, such as metal oxides and hydroxides.[3] Air also affects the ripening process since oxygen causes depolymerization.[4]
Rayon fiber is produced from the ripened solutions by treatment with a mineral acid, such as sulfuric acid. In this step, the xanthate groups are hydrolyzed to regenerate cellulose and release dithiocarbonic acid that later decomposes to carbon disulfide and water:

Then -Rayon is produced:

Rayon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Production method
Regular rayon (or viscose) is the most widely produced form of rayon. This method of rayon production has been utilized since the early 1900s and it has the ability to produce either filament or staple fibers. The process is as follows:
1. Cellulose: Production begins with processed cellulose
2. Immersion: The cellulose is dissolved in caustic soda: (C6H10O5)n + nNaOH → (C6H9O4ONa)n + nH2O
3. Pressing: The solution is then pressed between rollers to remove excess liquid
4. White Crumb: The pressed sheets are crumbled or shredded to produce what is known as "white crumb"
5. Aging: The "white crumb" is aged through exposure to oxygen
6. Xanthation: The aged "white crumb" is mixed with carbon disulfide in a process known as Xanthation, the aged alkali cellulose crumbs are placed in vats and are allowed to react with carbon disulfide under controlled temperature (20 to 30 °C) to form cellulose xanthate: (C6H9O4ONa)n + nCS2 → (C6H9O4O-SC-SNa)n
7. Yellow Crumb: Xanthation changes the chemical makeup of the cellulose mixture and the resulting product is now called "yellow crumb"
8. Viscose: The "yellow crumb" is dissolved in a caustic solution to form viscose
9. Ripening: The viscose is set to stand for a period of time, allowing it to ripen: (C6H9O4O-SC-SNa)n + nH2O → (C6H10O5)n + nCS2 + nNaOH
10. Filtering: After ripening, the viscose is filtered to remove any undissolved particles
11. Degassing: Any bubbles of air are pressed from the viscose in a degassing process
12. Extruding: The viscose solution is extruded through a spinneret, which resembles a shower head with many small holes
13. Acid Bath: As the viscose exits the spinneret, it lands in a bath of sulfuric acid, resulting in the formation of rayon filaments: (C6H9O4O-SC-SNa)n + ½nH2SO4 → (C6H10O5)n+ nCS2 + ½nNa2SO4
14. Drawing: The rayon filaments are stretched, known as drawing, to straighten out the fibers
15. Washing: The fibers are then washed to remove any residual chemicals
16. Cutting: If filament fibers are desired the process ends here. The filaments are cut down when producing staple fibers[1]
 

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Sean, that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid. All my gear came today and the wifey is snagging the cotton. Once I get home from work, I'm going to town on the Atty. I'll post if I die.

Why worry about it? If the cotton stays wet it will barely get burnt. Here is a pic of a wick from my digital microscope that had around 9ml vaped from it. You can see that the cotton is barely burnt.

PICT0136.jpg:vapor:
 

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Nope, no need. Always a big debate to boil or not. I have a bag of organic cotton from Walgreens and boiled it. Twice for 20 minutes in distilled water. First time there was a definite odor coming out of that steam. Second time not so much. Took 2 days for it to dry completely. Would I do it again. nope. Why? Well, the pan was clean but sterile? And 2 days for whatever spores floating around to contaminate my nice boiled cotton. But that bag I boiled will probably last me a year or so.

Also just received more Rayon than I will ever need. It works. Rayon still has a break-in period, maybe not as long as cotton. Rayon is suppose to wick as well as Japanese cotton and better than organic. I really think the important thing for cotton is that it's pure cotton and that is the reason why we always say organic. You definitely don't want any "poly" fillers in your cotton.

The test that PBusardo did showed that Rayon wicks faster than the others. Japanese cotton came in second.:vapor:
 

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I like my Koh Gen Doh, but this is the Rayon people are using.
Graham CelluCotton Cotton Coil

The sally rayon is easier to get and you get more for less money. The delasco balls are a good alternative as well. I have tried both and can tell no difference between the two.

Edit: $3.50 for 200 balls plus $4.00 shipping isn't that bad.
 

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Well, so I picked up some 100% Pure Sterile cotton from CVS for like 3 bucks, and installed it in the kayfun with a higher resistance coil. Vapes great! Much better wicking this time. The ~ 2ohm coil gives a nice, cool fog, not so much a cloud. Flavor (compared to what I've been "vaping") is phenomenal with some 5 Pawns Castle Long.
 

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I need to come up with some sort of test, because it's my opinion that Rayon also holds/retains more liquid than cotton.

dunno.... Ive pretty much ran my rayon to a point of being nearly dry ( almost got a hint of a dry hit) if I had done 2 more pulls I would have been coughing due to a dry burn....
 

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I like my Koh Gen Doh, but this is the Rayon people are using.
Graham CelluCotton Cotton Coil

The sally rayon is easier to get and you get more for less money. The delasco balls are a good alternative as well. I have tried both and can tell no difference between the two.

Edit: $3.50 for 200 balls plus $4.00 shipping isn't that bad.

Thank you! We have a few Sally Beauty shops in Madison. I'll call to see if they carry any.
 

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PBusardo,"I never boiled my cigarettes before I smoked them."

I'm pretty sure he didn't fill them with liquid or have to charge them either.

For me, organic 100% natural cotton doesn't need to be boiled, but my evidence is anecdotal.

It's a preference thing. Do it if you want but there is no real science or research behind if you should or not.
 
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