Counter-Menthol?

[XMit]

Let's say you wanted to make a juice with a small background of menthol, just a "top note". I've found the perfect ratio of menthol for one of my recipes, but it only lasts about six to ten drags before the menthol starts to take center stage. I would like it to keep in the background. It seems the more you vape this juice the more it becomes a menthol juice with a "note" of the main flavor component. I've thought of mint, but I don't want a flavor so much as just a cooling.

In cooking lots of spices and flavors have a counter or balancer. The vinegar discussion has put this idea into my head for juice. Has anyone found anything that counters the cumulative effects of menthol? Or is it an all or nothing thing? Is the Koolada from TPA a cumulative type of menthol flavor?

 

[Hoosier]

Koolada will add coolness, or that thing that mint does, without the taste. It sounds like that is a better way to go from what you say you want.

Note, because of the effect it creates that some folks' brain's will believe it to be menthol, but I usually only see that with folks who hate menthol.

 

[Tona Aspsusa]

Very interesting question.

My first thought was Koolada, but I have no experience with it at all.

Another thought is: How are you adding your menthol?
If you have crystals, what if you made an *extremely* weak solution of that, like one crystal in 10ml PGA. Then add an extremly small amount of that to your juice?

(This is almost what I did, my initial menthol PGA was just five crystals in 10ml PGA - it was clearly there in my first "slop juice", but it wasn't very dominant. But still clearly there. So maybe doing an even weaker menthol solution and adding just a drop might be a solution to your problem?)

 

[Tona Aspsusa]

Serial posting because I read your post again, and noticed something:

I've found the perfect ratio of menthol for one of my recipes, but it only lasts about six to ten drags before the menthol starts to take center stage. I would like it to keep in the background. It seems the more you vape this juice the more it becomes a menthol juice with a "note" of the main flavor component.

I notice that this is happening with my current menthol-experiments, which incorporate a hefty dollop of mint and much stronger menthol than my first experiments.
I thought it was the mint that was making it "overly menthol" (I seriously need to put it down after a few drags, and the feel/taste of menthol stays for tens of minutes*), but now I'm thinking it might be the fact that I have a) increased the potency of my menthol solution quite a few notches, and b) added a bit more of it to my current menthol vape.
And when I think about it, I didn't get this effect when I only added a bit of mint to my "menthol slops bottle", it's new since adding a few drops of my more potent menthol solution.

So maybe it would help if you would experiment with very little of a very weak menthol solution?

Just out of curiousity, what are your other flavourings in this mix? I'm thinking the type of juice might make a difference here, tobacco or non-tobacco, sweet or dry, etc?

*Darn it! I just had one of the few good analogs I allow myself per day, and that menthol aftertaste made it into a menthol ciggie! Blech, what a waste.

 

[XMit]

It is a fruit flavor. I don't want to use PGA in my mixes so I added 2 small shards of menthol straight to my flavoring (6ml) as it's PG and the crystals will dissolve in it. It is a 20% flavor mix with 1 drop of my ph balancer per 10 ml.

Perhaps I need to separate the menthol crystals from my flavoring? The draw, the exhale the flavor is perfect, just there and not overt. Problem is the menthol seems to be a cumulative thing where the more you vape it the more pronounced it is and not in flavor but in mouthfeel.

I'm thinking this is just something to deal with as far as menthol. Sucks though because the first vapes are just what I am trying to acheive.

So, Koolada it is in my next order, expensive though!

 

[Hoosier]

So, Koolada it is in my next order, expensive though!

I've had a tiny bottle for quite awhile. (Coming from a guy who has some 4 oz bottles of flavoring that are empty.)

 

[Tona Aspsusa]

It is a fruit flavor. I don't want to use PGA in my mixes so I added 2 small shards of menthol straight to my flavoring (6ml) as it's PG and the crystals will dissolve in it. It is a 20% flavor mix with 1 drop of my ph balancer per 10 ml.

Ouch ouch ouch! Screams the menthol-sensitive.

[calming down]
OK, you added it to the flavouring, not the juice itself? And the flavouring is 20% of the juice? Which makes two shards of menthol to 30ml of juice, right?

That's still a lot. Or would be to me.

If you don't want to use PGA, I think many people dissolve their crystals in plain PG or VG.

If I were you I'd try making a very weak menthol solution (in PG, if you like) and then add drops of that to the flavouring.

I can't think of any way to get the crystals out of your current solution though.

 

[XMit]

Ouch ouch ouch! Screams the menthol-sensitive.

[calming down]
OK, you added it to the flavouring, not the juice itself? And the flavouring is 20% of the juice? Which makes two shards of menthol to 30ml of juice, right?

That's still a lot. Or would be to me.

If you don't want to use PGA, I think many people dissolve their crystals in plain PG or VG.

If I were you I'd try making a very weak menthol solution (in PG, if you like) and then add drops of that to the flavouring.

I can't think of any way to get the crystals out of your current solution though.

You're numbers are right. I guess I didn't realize how concentrated that could turn out to be. I won't want to try to reapir this one, I'll vape it till it's gone, just not one of those nom nom nom, juices. In fact the menthol taking over changes the flavor of the juice from the original to a peachy mint tea type flavor, which actually isn't terrible, just not what I was going for.