CR2 Protected bateries interesting

[jeffcmfrt]

Even before I ordered my super 6 I started researching and the hunt begun for protected CR 2 batteries. It brought me to smokejuice and I missed where it said the CR 2 batteries did not work with 510 attomizers for a unknown reason. Then come to find out they may not even fit the Super 6 but I had already ordered 10 of them and a charger.
They do not work with a regulat Joye 510 atomizer but they do work with a 510 High voltage atomizer that I purchased from east mall.
Has anyone confirmed theese do not work in the Super 6 this is the exact measurement with a caliper and the batteries are blue with IFR15266 on the side

Lenth: 28.54 mm from end to end 27.73 mm without positive tip
Width: 15.17 mm
As stated with a little longer spring I put theese CR2 protected batteries in my Silver Bullet and they did not work with a standard 510 Joye atomizer but did work with a High Voltage atomizer from east mall with HV-EM5 on the side of atty

I also purchased 6 of the green Excellerator CR 2 Bateries
Lenth: 26.73 mm overall 25.89 mm without the little positive tip
I am pretty sure it has been confirmed the Excellerator brand do work in the Super 6. But if someone can confirm that the Protected CR 2 bateries that have IFR15266 on the side of them from smokejuice . com work with 901, 801 and HighVoltahe 510 atomizers?

Jeff

 

[RamShot Rowdy]

The Excellerator CR2 LiFePO4 batteries fit in the S6 fine. They are actually a little shorter than the UltraFire LiIon CR2. I've heard people say some protected CR2s will not fit, not sure about the particular ones you are talking about. David posted some specs somewhere about the maximum size battery the S6 will take.

 

[jeffcmfrt]

The Excellerator CR2 LiFePO4 batteries fit in the S6 fine. They are actually a little shorter than the UltraFire LiIon CR2. I've heard people say some protected CR2s will not fit, not sure about the particular ones you are talking about. David posted some specs somewhere about the maximum size battery the S6 will take.

Thanks! Yes I think he ordered some that I mentioned and said after further investagateing they do not fit in the Super 6. But at that time it was like they do fit then they don't. Either way I will know for sure in the next few days. I will have my Super 6 on hand to measure and will look into any and all protected batteries and post my findings for those who like 6 volt. I am not too worried about useing unprotected CR 2's but would rather them be protected.

Jeff

 

[Drozd]

when I asked about maximum battery dimensions David said "about 15.367mm X 57mm maximum"...

 

[jboze]

I would avoid those excellerators at all cost! I believe they have been involved in at least one or two cases of explosive mods. Not to mention that they have a terrible mah rating.

 

[redrhino]

As jboze said the excellerators batts fit fine in the SS....But the life expectancy as far as vaping is concerned, is terrible....Although i never had them explode on me or anything like that, nor do i personally know of anyone who had it happen to them....But i will say one thing, about 3 days ago they got really hot on me as i was vaping,so i pretty much just replaced them with a fresh set,and chucked the ones that got hot in the garbage,no reason to take a chance... Just my 2 cents worth...

 

[North Shore]

Redrhino,

Those excellerator batteries are known to be bad news. They may be LFP, but they are the cause of this very bad incident-at least. I include this link to the original post Battery explosion in my mod breaks jaw and knocks out my two front teeth

I have heard of other blowups with generic blue unprotected CR2's, but have not heard anything bad about the green Ultrafire CR2's, from deal extreme, yet.

 

[redrhino]

Thank you North Shore....i will be buying those green ones,Today...Thanks again...

 

[North Shore]

Even so, use with great caution.

Get a multi-tester and make sure that they have a charge before you even start. Also make sure that you have a quality charger that can sense a problem. At this point I hesitate to suggest any particular one.

Another thought, if you don't have batteries sitting there like I do, vape at 3.7V and wait a month or two. This industry is moving at such a fast pace that it will not be stopped just by batteries.

 

[redrhino]

Well that is my problem North Shore, I do not like the 3.7V vaping at all anymore...I am so spoiled by 5V and 6V mods....That i just can't bring my self back to vaping at 3.7V anymore...And yes the Industry is moving very quickly...

 

[jeffcmfrt]

This is my take and my opinion on one of theese cases the one that the Guy suposive had his BB blow up on him breaking his jaw. I am familiar with and have seen batteries explode/Expell Gasses much bigger then then 2X 3 Volt CR2 batteries. In the case of 2 batteries one battery fails first and it will start to get warm then warmer then start to expell gasses (By this time your device has giveing you signs of failure or noticable tempature rise, Hissing noises) now the explosion so to speak is from the gasses not being able to exscape building up pressure.In most cases this happens in a fair amount of time and with multipul batteries in happens in waves giveing the person warnings and time to react prevent further harm or damage. This does not happen in a split second 2 batteries will just fail at the same time and explode.In fact the ods of 2 batteries failing at the same time is next to none! So one batery will begein to fail then as tempatures rise naturally the second battery starts to sustain thermal damage from the first battery failure then again which takes time. So it is not like many people think 2 Batteries just go bad amd explode giveing no signs or warnings. In fact it has been seen over and over people tend to ignore their responsibility and ignore signs and warnings. I am not at all sayin this is the case here by no means and as I said this is just my opinion that the injuries that was sustained do not match what would happen after all a broken Jaw is caused by let's say someone falling face first on a cement step or a car accident with facial trauma some thing just dont add up ....and I just cant see myself not seeing and heaveing to warning signs and preventing somthing like this from happining.

Just my 2 pennies it's ok if you dont agree!

Jeff

 

[redrhino]

Jeff i agree but at the same time i disagree....Let me brake it down...

(1) I agree with the fact that booth bats failing at the same time is probably impossible,at least with out any warning at all....Agreed....

(2) I disagree about the face trauma.... Since we do not have all the fact about the incident we cannot speculate....He could have just reacted in a different way from the explosion....Let me explain what i mean by that....When the batts exploded he could have just jumped back and fall flat on his face therefore breaking his jaw,fall forward,step on a cat/dog and fall on his jaw by braking it etc etc.....I'm sure you get the point....Anything could have happened....

Just my 2 cents worth....

 

[jeffcmfrt]

Jeff i agree but at the same time i disagree....Let me brake it down...

(1) I agree with the fact that booth bats failing at the same time is probably impossible,at least with out any warning at all....Agreed....

(2) I disagree about the face trauma.... Since we do not have all the fact about the incident we cannot speculate....He could have just reacted in a different way from the explosion....Let me explain what i mean by that....When the batts exploded he could have just jumped back and fall flat on his face therefore breaking his jaw,fall forward,step on a cat/dog and fall on his jaw by braking it etc etc.....I'm sure you get the point....Anything could have happened....

Just my 2 cents worth....

You are soo right that his jaw could have got broke falling or whatever else. It still is hard for me knowing how batteries operate and seeing them fail ......meaning I can't swallow the fact that yes I beleive theese incidents do haapen but as for science and the way batteries work they just don't blow up in a split second! And their had to be warnings ,signs that had to be noticed befor it ever got to the point of building up that much pressure.
No we don't have all the facts. But on the other hand I would not want someone to not use 6 volt because of theese isolated incidents that may or may not have a certin anount of neglect. Weather that be just not paying atention or being pre ocupied and not noticeing ......or noticeing it but simply did nothing....I don't know but putting myself in that situation I can honestly say that I without a doubt would not have allowed the batteries to harm me.

I was not even going to post this but the more I thought about it I said I should because knowone else is and I know others have thought my exact thoughts on this subject.
I for one will continue to Vape at my regular 3.7 volt for the most part but on ocasion I do enjoy 6 volt vapeing and do it safely when I do. I think absolutely this shoud raise flags and be reconized and remind people to be carefull and take the proper precautions and follow directions when useing or chargeing their batteries. But it should not by no means scare people from safely useing and vapeing at 6 volts...thats all.

And I think that everyone who uses PV's should understand batteries and how they work and learn how to do it safe.

This is a wonderfull link about batteries Welcome to Battery University

Jeff

 

[Quick1]

The BB looked like it came apart at the threads. It's aluminum. If the cylinder was relatively sealed then the gas could have built up to the point of the threads failing. That would be a significant amount of force. Easily break your jaw, take out teeth, etc.

 

[redrhino]

You are soo right that his jaw could have got broke falling or whatever else. It still is hard for me knowing how batteries operate and seeing them fail ......meaning I can't swallow the fact that yes I beleive theese incidents do haapen but as for science and the way batteries work they just don't blow up in a split second! And their had to be warnings ,signs that had to be noticed befor it ever got to the point of building up that much pressure.
No we don't have all the facts. But on the other hand I would not want someone to not use 6 volt because of theese isolated incidents that may or may not have a certin anount of neglect. Weather that be just not paying atention or being pre ocupied and not noticeing ......or noticeing it but simply did nothing....I don't know but putting myself in that situation I can honestly say that I without a doubt would not have allowed the batteries to harm me.

I was not even going to post this but the more I thought about it I said I should because knowone else is and I know others have thought my exact thoughts on this subject.
I for one will continue to Vape at my regular 3.7 volt for the most part but on ocasion I do enjoy 6 volt vapeing and do it safely when I do. I think absolutely this shoud raise flags and be reconized and remind people to be carefull and take the proper precautions and follow directions when useing or chargeing their batteries. But it should not by no means scare people from safely useing and vapeing at 6 volts...thats all.

And I think that everyone who uses PV's should understand batteries and how they work and learn how to do it safe.

This is a wonderfull link about batteries Welcome to Battery University

Jeff

Jeff Thanks for the link....And agreed 100% on the rest of the write up...

 

[New_World]

As jboze said the excellerators batts fit fine in the SS....But the life expectancy as far as vaping is concerned, is terrible....Although i never had them explode on me or anything like that, nor do i personally know of anyone who had it happen to them....But i will say one thing, about 3 days ago they got really hot on me as i was vaping,so i pretty much just replaced them with a fresh set,and chucked the ones that got hot in the garbage,no reason to take a chance... Just my 2 cents worth...

very smart choice.

if batts get hot like that, pitch em.
better to be safe.

in fact that happened to another user when his GG (I believe Grant was the model) blew up.
The batts got warm. It had vent holes in the Mod. It didn't hurt him at all from what I read but it left a burn mark on his floor.


What about 14500's? Any reproted "issues" with those?
18650?

I want to find out more info on this and batteries.

 

[New_World]

You are soo right that his jaw could have got broke falling or whatever else. It still is hard for me knowing how batteries operate and seeing them fail ......meaning I can't swallow the fact that yes I beleive theese incidents do haapen but as for science and the way batteries work they just don't blow up in a split second! And their had to be warnings ,signs that had to be noticed befor it ever got to the point of building up that much pressure.
No we don't have all the facts. But on the other hand I would not want someone to not use 6 volt because of theese isolated incidents that may or may not have a certin anount of neglect. Weather that be just not paying atention or being pre ocupied and not noticeing ......or noticeing it but simply did nothing....I don't know but putting myself in that situation I can honestly say that I without a doubt would not have allowed the batteries to harm me.

I was not even going to post this but the more I thought about it I said I should because knowone else is and I know others have thought my exact thoughts on this subject.
I for one will continue to Vape at my regular 3.7 volt for the most part but on ocasion I do enjoy 6 volt vapeing and do it safely when I do. I think absolutely this shoud raise flags and be reconized and remind people to be carefull and take the proper precautions and follow directions when useing or chargeing their batteries. But it should not by no means scare people from safely useing and vapeing at 6 volts...thats all.

And I think that everyone who uses PV's should understand batteries and how they work and learn how to do it safe.

This is a wonderfull link about batteries Welcome to Battery University

Jeff

thanks for the link!
I was looking for something to read up on batts.
Its very helpful!!

 

[redrhino]

very smart choice.

if batts get hot like that, pitch em.
better to be safe.

in fact that happened to another user when his GG (I believe Grant was the model) blew up.
The batts got warm. It had vent holes in the Mod. It didn't hurt him at all from what I read but it left a burn mark on his floor.


What about 14500's? Any reproted "issues" with those?
18650?

I want to find out more info on this and batteries.

Never heard of anything bad about 145000 or 18650...I actually have a bunch of those type batts as use them in my mods and i personally never experienced any problems with them....But then again that is just me....I guess you have to be careful with any battery....

 

[jeffcmfrt]

Most of the problem is 6 volt mods running 2 batteries. 1 Battery eliminates the potential for 1 cell to discharge quicker then the other.Both the 14500 & the 18650 are also protected.

Jeff

 

[redrhino]

Most of the problem is 6 volt mods running 2 batteries. 1 Battery eliminates the potential for 1 cell to discharge quicker then the other.Both the 14500 & the 18650 are also protected.

Jeff

Yep that makes sense though....If one disharges before the other one....Yes Sir makes plenty of sense to me... Is there a way to prevent that? Or is a really stupid question? And it's OK Jeff be honest...No hurt feelings if it is a dumb question...Thanks.. Like i said before i just vape don't know nothing about batts, contacts,circuits or any of the technical stuff at all....