No that's not a stupid question at all. There is nothing dumb about Safety.
And yes there is ways to greatly reduce/prevent this from happening.
I will post back in a little bit as it will take me a little time to write this up.
Jeff
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No that's not a stupid question at all. There is nothing dumb about Safety.
And yes there is ways to greatly reduce/prevent this from happening.
I will post back in a little bit as it will take me a little time to write this up.
Jeff
If I missed something or anyone wants to add feel free . I think I covered the main things tips tricks to get the most life expectancy /performance and most important the safety aspect! Of what to look for and how to prevent a unprotected battery from failing in the first place.
Sorry it took so long but my Super 6 & T-Tips came THANK'S DAVE! ya think he heard me? Anyway so I ditched my GF on the phone and put off typeing this up for a bit while a played with my Super 6 maaaaan this is sweet but felt guilty so I called her back and finished the little write up!
Peace
First purchase a Multi Meter you do not have to purchase a $400.00 Fluke name brand from my experience even the less expensive ones work well. Don't forget get a digital Multi Meter. You can always use around the house it works on both AC/DC reads ohms and test continuity many uses!
It is a little different when it comes to buying rechargeable batteries both protected and unprotected because their are many different kinds and chargers also some safer then others some more friendly to our environment ( everyone should give this a read it explains a lot and a lot about different types of batteries Welcome to Battery University )
Purchase decent rechargeable batteries that have good reviews stay away from the e-bay blue label generic batteries that you dont have a clue to where or who made them in china of if they have been mislabeled or whatever else. Purchase from a reputable retailer.
Purchase a decent charger with separate channels! There are inexpensive ones out there that the quality is also good. Every Battery made the manufacturer has suggested charging voltage and max charging voltage follow it! Never overcharge either by voltage wise or time wise.
The prime things that damage rechargeable Batteries to the point they can become a danger or not function and perform proper. Is over volt charging charging too fast & overcharging time wise( leavening them on the charger too long or over night) when that happens in cycles then that causes them the discharge at different voltages that happens in cycles both damaging the battery more and more. Check your chargers output voltage with your Multi meter make sure it is not over or under charging. (Dont take this for granted) chargers do fail too!
Inspect your Batteries, Charger and device on a regular basis. Pair up your batteries(I will explain how to do this below)
Dont take things for granted and say oh well it is ok I used it yesterday! After you get the idea of how long that particular batteries life expectancy is when it starts to dwindle down a lot quicker between charges toss it! That means it has reached its life expectancy and it is your job to dispose of it and not use it anymore.
Batteries inspect them before using or charging them. look for leakage, temperature & temperature changes while charging or in operation, dents Check the Voltage before charging During charging and also after various times while in operation pair your Batteries.
Pairing your batteries It takes a period of time to pair your batteries that depends on your use but it is very easy. The process is something you have to be a little consistent with then when they are paired it really gets easy and extends the life of your batteries and makes using unprotected batteries much safer.
The main reason for these unprotected batteries for failing has a lot to do with how one takes the proper precautions and uses their batteries(yes it sounds silly you have extra care when using unprotected batteries) If you use them the proper way it becomes habit and takes very little time and your odds of you having problems are very slim.
Pairing your batteries is matching them up with the closest voltages on the closest discharge rates. (rule of thumb if you have them a close paired voltage when charging then they should pretty much discharge close also. the lead/first battery the one that connects direct to the positive end of the device should hold little less of a charge during ignition then in time equal or close to equal out or remain a little less no big deal.
If I missed something or anyone wants to add feel free . I think I covered the main things tips tricks to get the most life expectancy /performance and most important the safety aspect! Of what to look for and how to prevent a unprotected battery from failing in the first place.
Jeff
I just received 8 protected circuit CR2 Ultrafire Batteries 15270 600 mAh 3.0v
With no washers they fit to one turn of the adapter before they are activated.
I measure them to be about 28mm long vs the not protected at 26mm. Diameter is the same.
If David could sell an extra button that is about 5mm or so shorter, they would fit perfectly.
What do you think, David?
With no washers they fit to one turn of the adapter before they are activated.
I measure them to be about 28mm long vs the not protected at 26mm. Diameter is the same.
If David could sell an extra button that is about 5mm or so shorter, they would fit perfectly.
What do you think, David?
He's Back! Welcome Bigbuyer. Thought you had gone the way of the dinosaur!
So let me get this straight, you have some protected batteries that actually fit diameter wise but not length wise? The ones i got from the UK supplier were too big in diameter.
I could possibly machine your button shorter if that is the case.
David
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I got the ones from smokejuice #IFR15266 and I peeled the plastic liner off they fit in width wise then. I was like o yea! but then found them too be too long...GRRRR also as soon as you put the cap on it activates the atomizer I even took the screw and washers compleatly off the switch still same thing constant voltage to the atomizer.
Jeff
Jeff
Thanks alot Jeff for all your research & for sharing all the information you've found with me & others. 
I was wondering, from your understanding of what we need to purchase, if this Multi-Meter I found would be suffice.
www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_0... Meters&psid=FROOGLE01&sid=IDx20070921x00003a
Its a pretty affordable $31.99, and if this can & will do the trick, I will be buying this ASAP!
I would also like to add that through all my search for HV batteries....
It appears that the RCR123a battery is the ONLY battery made in the USA,
by Tenergy, thats is compatible for use on any of the HV battery Mods.
Which seems important to me.
I've thought of the remote possibility that 'What if my Protected batteries should explode'.
How would I afford to pay my doctor bill for any injury sustained. ><
With the Trust/Ultra/whatever/Fire batteries being manufactured and supplied from China only...
How the hell would I be able to get them to A. acknowledge my injury & B. Help me pay for my injuries.
I'm assuming manufacturers in the USA would.
I also recently noticed on the news Toyota recalling back over a million cars for safety reasons for ex. which everyone knows is Japanese manufactured but is ALSO a company who sells to the american public from inside the USA itself.
I don't see any 'TRUSTFIRE of America' at all, anywhere, in sight.
Just an example of a foreign company that everyone can & will trust unlike those chinese battery
manufacturers selling from overseas and will not be held financially responsible for anyone's personal injuries if any should arise.
They are even offering to sell their batteries labeled 'Protected' to suppliers eventho they ARE NOT...
www.vaportalk.com/index.php?/topic/3958-exploding-batteries-bs/page__st__8
Which makes me uncomfortable using ANY battery whatsoever, weather protected or not that is manufactured in China, W/O having a Multi-Meter to help me protect myself from any possible injuries resulting from a battery exploding.
Very enlightening thread & I admit I do need to learn alot more bout this,
Thank You.
I was wondering, from your understanding of what we need to purchase, if this Multi-Meter I found would be suffice.
www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_0... Meters&psid=FROOGLE01&sid=IDx20070921x00003a
Its a pretty affordable $31.99, and if this can & will do the trick, I will be buying this ASAP!
I would also like to add that through all my search for HV batteries....
It appears that the RCR123a battery is the ONLY battery made in the USA,
by Tenergy, thats is compatible for use on any of the HV battery Mods.
Which seems important to me.
I've thought of the remote possibility that 'What if my Protected batteries should explode'.
How would I afford to pay my doctor bill for any injury sustained. ><
With the Trust/Ultra/whatever/Fire batteries being manufactured and supplied from China only...
How the hell would I be able to get them to A. acknowledge my injury & B. Help me pay for my injuries.
I'm assuming manufacturers in the USA would.
I also recently noticed on the news Toyota recalling back over a million cars for safety reasons for ex. which everyone knows is Japanese manufactured but is ALSO a company who sells to the american public from inside the USA itself.
I don't see any 'TRUSTFIRE of America' at all, anywhere, in sight.
Just an example of a foreign company that everyone can & will trust unlike those chinese battery
manufacturers selling from overseas and will not be held financially responsible for anyone's personal injuries if any should arise.
They are even offering to sell their batteries labeled 'Protected' to suppliers eventho they ARE NOT...
www.vaportalk.com/index.php?/topic/3958-exploding-batteries-bs/page__st__8
Which makes me uncomfortable using ANY battery whatsoever, weather protected or not that is manufactured in China, W/O having a Multi-Meter to help me protect myself from any possible injuries resulting from a battery exploding.
Very enlightening thread & I admit I do need to learn alot more bout this,
Thank You.
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Hey AKs0n- I actually love those batts (rcr123a) I use them in my other mods.... I wont mention which one,out of respect for David....But i really love those batts,they last along time and i am a heavy vaporor...They are made by Tenergy...But manufactured in china at least that is what the label says on them.....But never the less they are the greatest batts that i have used to date....I also belive the Big Batt Mod that David has been working on, will take the rcr123a batts....I know i read that some where here....So i am very pleased with that as well...Can't wait for it to come out....
PS for David...
David please correct me if I'm wrong about the rcr123a for your Big Batt Mod...
If i am wrong please except my apologies in advance...
Thanks redrhino
PS for David...
David please correct me if I'm wrong about the rcr123a for your Big Batt Mod...
If i am wrong please except my apologies in advance...
Thanks redrhino
I'm sorry, I was actually going from info that I had read that someone else posted. ><
I don't recall where I read that they were manufactured in the USA but...
I WILL look further into it and post what I find.
Bottom Line: I do not NOT trust Chinese manufacturing any longer...
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Found it!~
*for all you lazy ppl, you know who you are*
www.tenergybattery.com
"Tenergy Corporation located in the heart of Silicon Valley in Northern California."
[ TrustFire - 0 / Tenergy - 1 ]
*for all you lazy ppl, you know who you are*
www.tenergybattery.com
"Tenergy Corporation located in the heart of Silicon Valley in Northern California."
[ TrustFire - 0 / Tenergy - 1 ]
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Reply: All I can recommend is do your homework and choose good quality batteries with good feedback and do not purchase them from China. Purchase them from a reputable US retailer as I think I mentioned in the write up.
Tip on finding quality batteries visit the flashlight or Tactical flashlights forums you will find some good people very knowledgeable with batteries as many tactical flashlights use all of the same batteries that our PVs use.
Hope this helped best wishes
Jeff
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Found it!~
*for all you lazy ppl, you know who you are*
www.tenergybattery.com
"Tenergy Corporation located in the heart of Silicon Valley in Northern California."
[ TrustFire - 0 / Tenergy - 1 ]
Ok AKs0n the batts that i was talking about are on the link you provided....
Here is what you do...
Click on the link in your post...
When that opens, click on the products in the main menu on your left...
When that one opens, click on the fifth one from the top...
And finally when that one opens, go all the way to the bottom of the page it is the last batts on that page..
RCR123A 3.0V 750mAh LiFePO4 Rechargeable Battery
Now i am looking at them right now, as i sit and type this post.... And the batts say right on them, that they are MADE IN CHINA.......
So my Question is, should i be concerned or not???
Thanks....
I think AKs0n was mainly concerned with the supplier/mfg having a presence here in the US. The thought being that if you blow yourself up you have the company or local representatives here to hold accountable whereas filing a claim against a company wholly in China might/would be fruitless.
Ok AKs0n the batts that i was talking about are on the link you provided....
Here is what you do...
Click on the link in your post...
When that opens, click on the products in the main menu on your left...
When that one opens, click on the fifth one from the top...
And finally when that one opens, go all the way to the bottom of the page it is the last batts on that page..
RCR123A 3.0V 750mAh LiFePO4 Rechargeable Battery
Now i am looking at them right now, as i sit and type this post.... And the batts say right on them, that they are MADE IN CHINA.......
So my Question is, should i be concerned or not???
Thanks....
I just received those same exact batteries in the mail w/ my shipment.
I guess I worded my earlier statements incorrectly... from what i'm getting from your post.
- 1st off I'm no battery expert so please just accept as my personal opinion. -
The thing is for me... I don't care if it's made in China.
I'm sure a vast majority of things in our life are 'Made in China'.
I seriously have np w/ that but....
Would I prefer to see a 'Made in the USA' label instead ......of course I would.
The thing to me that differentiates the 'TENERGY' battery from those Trust/Ultra/whatever/Fire is this....
I cannot find the latter battery having any connections whatsoever to America, or any other country, I bet,
cept China.
On the other hand
We have that TENERGY link I posted which DOES have some sort of facilities HERE in the USA and NOT just China....
'wtf is up with that' is what i'm getting at.
If you're a 'Global Manufacturer' wouldn't you think they should have SOME invested interest in pitching a tent over here in America?!
When I read suppliers stating battery manufacturers offer to ship over mis-labeled batteries....
For my personal safety I would choose TENERGY based on what i've read & know.
That's just my opinion but I do feel incredibly strongly about it.
God forbid if tragedy was to strike me or anyone else caused by one of these batteries.....
A. Contact www.tenergy.com
or....
B. Contact Trust/Ultra/whatever/Fire of China & Good Luck trying to get that manufacturer there to show that they really care bout you or your little problem... from a million miles away.
What I 'Trust' is if those 'Trust Fire's start A 'Fire' and then that turns into an 'ULTRA Fire'....
one of those 'Fire's will vanish back into the shadows but the other 'Fire'...
might leave someone permanently scarred w/ little to none compensation.
- My Opinion -
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BTW - I'm not sure anyone even cares but...
I did find the manufacture of those TrustFire batteries.
- They go by so many names but I found 'TrustFire' -
I didn't study it too much, it was more of a passing glance thing, but...
the manufacturer's name was pretty similiar to the Joye manufacture's name.
I just found that as 'Interesting'
Shenzhen Joye TECH Co.,Ltd.
www.joyetech.com/Products.Asp?cid=5
vs
Shenzhen TrustFire TECH Co.,Ltd.
http://honeline.en.ec21.com/Products--1843301.html
I did find the manufacture of those TrustFire batteries.
- They go by so many names but I found 'TrustFire' -
I didn't study it too much, it was more of a passing glance thing, but...
the manufacturer's name was pretty similiar to the Joye manufacture's name.
I just found that as 'Interesting'
Shenzhen Joye TECH Co.,Ltd.
www.joyetech.com/Products.Asp?cid=5
vs
Shenzhen TrustFire TECH Co.,Ltd.
http://honeline.en.ec21.com/Products--1843301.html
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