Crazy clouds with Bakero wire

[kimbo55]

I sure the FDA will have a field day with this. Why can't we just "vape along"

 

[SteveW]

lol! who stirred up this hornet's nest?

when you mention 'bilking' you first need to know the base price and then the resale price if it is true that this material can be easily obtained in the Philippines but not over here, a reseller is entitled to a profit for his efforts. not everybody is a kwalka after all!
i'm sure y'all buy from vendors who do nothing else but forward a product to you.

For me it is not just about selling price but the whole technical aspect of this. That there is some mystical wire that can somehow liberate more vapor than what is commonly available makes no sense to me. It is nothing more than ribbon wire and no matter what is claimed all coil wire creates vapor by heat and contact with the wick. Simple as that. The claim that this mystical material does this significantly better than any other ribbon wire does not stand up to scrutiny and the failure to disclose the metal being used does not help with credibility.

 

[junkman]

lol! who stirred up this hornet's nest?

when you mention 'bilking' you first need to know the base price and then the resale price if it is true that this material can be easily obtained in the Philippines but not over here, a reseller is entitled to a profit for his efforts. not everybody is a kwalka after all!
i'm sure y'all buy from vendors who do nothing else but forward a product to you.

Not really the point.

If we knew what the wire is, we may want it or we may not. Not knowing what it is, no way would I want it - just look at the thread on stainless steel mesh and CR(VI). Makes my desire to experiment with unknowns about zero.

My take on ecf is people are trying to help each other out. If he wants to help people out by introducing a new wire to the community, great! If he has the only good supply out there at the moment, let him charge what he feels is appropriate.

But he needs to say what the wire is. Unfortunately for him, once he does that, it is likely that there will be multiple sources for the wire, as seems obvious, he doesn't own a factory making some proprietary new wire technology.

 

[gisingpaps]

let's wait and see ziggy's reply to this. if he will still reply, from his post that i read, it looks like he's having 2nd thoughts already about selling his mysterious wire internationally, hmmm guilty much? well if you're reading this ziggy, just tell them the truth that the bakero wire is the same as the one i posted a couple of pages ago.

i have nothing against you getting something out of this, but i don't like it when people mislead other people for money. as a filipino i wouldn't let a certain person's greed damage the filipino's reputation anywhere.

 

[corruption42]

let's wait and see ziggy's reply to this. if he will still reply, from his post that i read, it looks like he's having 2nd thoughts already about selling his mysterious wire internationally, hmmm guilty much? well if you're reading this ziggy, just tell them the truth that the bakero wire is the same as the one i posted a couple of pages ago.

i have nothing against you getting something out of this, but i don't like it when people mislead other people for money. as a filipino i wouldn't let a certain person's greed damage the filipino's reputation anywhere.

Ziggy won't be replying, he's 'moved on' due to being an unregistered supplier.

Tibs -- The difference is, we KNOW what we're buying from the vendor who's a reseller. I have no problem with someone reselling -- but reselling 'magic wire' without even revealing a basic level of materials isn't just bilking, its also unsafe. Bilking because if we knew what it was, most people would still be happy to join in on the purchases -- yet its trying to 'monopolize' a market that is simply 'discovering' an existing material.

Its bilking because it goes against the community concept -- we share information, and are open with it.

 

[tiburonfirst]

that might be true to a certain extent in the modders' section, lol, but i distinctly remember unpleasant discoveries in chinese products - just look at the ''burning carto'' thread.
and more recently, right here, silica particles and ss oxidation

our world sure isn't perfect!

Tibs -- The difference is, we KNOW what we're buying from the vendor who's a reseller. I have no problem with someone reselling -- but reselling 'magic wire' without even revealing a basic level of materials isn't just bilking, its also unsafe. Bilking because if we knew what it was, most people would still be happy to join in on the purchases -- yet its trying to 'monopolize' a market that is simply 'discovering' an existing material.

Its bilking because it goes against the community concept -- we share information, and are open with it.

 

[corruption42]

that might be true to a certain extent in the modders' section, lol, but i distinctly remember unpleasant discoveries in chinese products - just look at the ''burning carto'' thread.
and more recently, right here, silica particles and ss oxidation

our world sure isn't perfect!

Can't argue with that -- but at least we know going into it what to expect. Yes, manufacturing problems exist, especially where QC is largely nonexistant, but why introduce more layer to the mystery? I personally have moved away from prebuilt stuff to avoid exactly this kind of unknown -- and I'm sure many others in the rebuildable world have as well.

Am I interested as to what its composition is, and details about the actual videos we've seen like: PG/VG content, whether the room was excessively humid, wick type, ohm ratings -- absolutely. And I'd love to be proven wrong and see that its a quality material on the caliber of what we're already used to with rebuildables. But given what little is being revealed, and how its all being kept close to the heart, its hard to not be skeptical.

 

[blondeambition3]

I was just on one earlier selling STINKERO wire and they wouldn't tell me anything about it other than they got if from a plumbing supply house.

Let's hope it isn't called STINKERO wire because it 'earned' that title... YKWIM?

 

[blondeambition3]

and i sure wont vape with mystery metal shame on you for perpetuating the use of an unknown metal composition. we arent asking for exact material wieghts but it would be nice to know if im going to the hospital next month for lead poisoning. there are already too many greedy hands in the vaping pot that dont care if what they make is dangerous as long as they get that fast buck before we figure it out.

I have to agree here..... you must admit Thrasher poses a valid & justifiable point.

 

[blondeambition3]

VERY VERY Transparent.

To be sure. If you're going to be successful in the eCig Industry transparency is key. In fact, it's essential to your survival.

 

[roadrash]

Let's hope it isn't called STINKERO wire because it 'earned' that title... YKWIM?

After this thread I think STINKERO will be a name easily remembered.

 

[ukeman]

If you all haven't tried 28g A1 Kanthal, which IS available, I suggest you do. Just saying.
IMO until this stuff Bakero is available, what's the rush?
I mean I get stinkeroo bad azz plumes with 28g... 4/3 wrap = .8 to 1.0 Ohms. Some folks do 3/2 wraps with 28 too...

Some are thinking ss mesh and some are silica... I'm talking ss mesh wick Genesis

there's plenty of 28 around.

 

[inuj26]

Ok I've had mine delivered last Friday. Unfortunately the builds are too low for me to test (I only have a Provari).

Using a Phoenix v1 - 2 folds 2mm silica with 5 coils - .9ohms
Using a China DID - SS mesh with 6 coils - 1.0 ohms
Using the Choddy - I got 1.2-1.5 but it's having wicking issues because twisting the flat wire with the NR is hard. It's too bulky sitting in the ceramic channels when twisted.

Will try it tomorrow when I get hold of a mech mod.

 

[SteveW]

Ok I've had mine delivered last Friday. Unfortunately the builds are too low for me to test (I only have a Provari).

Using a Phoenix v1 - 2 folds 2mm silica with 5 coils - .9ohms
Using a China DID - SS mesh with 6 coils - 1.0 ohms
Using the Choddy - I got 1.2-1.5 but it's having wicking issues because twisting the flat wire with the NR is hard. It's too bulky siting in the ceramic channels when twisted.

Will try it tomorrow when I get hold of a mech mod.

Sounds about the same as 28g kanthal for resistance to me and in D ribbon kanthal would equate to this:

Kanthal D Ribbon Resistance Heating Flat Wire 0 8 0 1mm 031 004" | eBay

Here is a video from the Phillipines of someone using ribbon kanthal, look familiar?



Wow! Could that be, is it possible, is it . . . BAKERO WIRE?

 

[StaircaseWit]

Pshh...I'm no longer interested in the BAKERO WIRE when this new STINKERO WIRE is supposed to be the wave of the future.



Vaping sure can be a strange thing...

 

[Ictinike]

I get the same effect with my .8 ohm twisted Kanthal 32g on my iHybrid and that is round wire..

I have however picked up some .8x.1mm flat Kanth D from Ziv's and it's en-route so I can see how she performs.

I do believe, as others, it's the same stuff just re-branded.

Cheers,
~Icky

 

[st0nedpenguin]

Crappy quality cameras and dark rooms make any vapour cloud look larger than life.

 

[PhreakySTS9]

I might have missed this but is OP using silica or SS wick?
I wonder if it matters... on Ziggy's Nimbus vid he says he is using silica but is going to try SS wick...

Do people even use silica with SLR coils? (super low resistance)

3rd question; what is the resistance on the atomizer in the vid?

Yup! I'm vaping my Penelope right now with a .9 ohm coil. Bishopeals has videoed himself vaping a Penelope with a .6ohm dual coil. Good silica is where it's at!

 

[mikepointfive]

well i was expecting to hear back from ziggy yesterday about shipping but have yet to hear from him. I think this thread scared him off.. we'll see what happens. I really wanna know if my clouds can be improved.. im already doing this(see video) with silica and 3x twisted 30ga kanthal.

 

[anavidfan]

Is all done with smoke and mirrors