Cuboid 200w joy tech in over my head?

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well you have a few options really... you can pop in the .5 ohm coil that came with the tank and that will help limit some of the consumption....or you can attempt to either A) get a tank that offers coils in the post ohm range...such as the triton or sub tank mini....or get a rebuildable tank and learn to build your own coils so that you can build in the post ohm range yourself....the building is the most cost effective range in the long run. The crown tank does offer a rebuildable deck that you could learn to build on....unfortunately it doesnt offer a coil above .5 ohms.
Thanks a lot guys. You are all super nice!!! So these are the coils it came with :
25=65 watts
.5=30-35
No-temp=@550,45 watts to 50 watts

So the .5 coil will preserve my juice and power? What about the no coil?
 

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the NI-200 coil is a nickel coil for temp control... it is a .15 ohm coil and is for temp control.... it is good for ensuring the reduction of burnt/dry hits.... it can possibly conserve juice consumption if you turn the power down to below 400 degree....but it might no be a good vaping experience for you...there is a trade off between pleasureful vaping experience and juice consumption. That happy medium is where most people find themselves adding several different tanks into their "rotation" to achieve different flavor profiles out of their juices.
 
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Thanks a lot guys. You are all super nice!!! So these are the coils it came with :
25=65 watts
.5=30-35
No-temp=@550,45 watts to 50 watts

So the .5 coil will preserve my juice and power? What about the no coil?
The .5 will save on some juice but really it sounds like a Nautilus type tank or Subtank with 1+ohm coils would more to your liking.

Again, it's too bad B&M's are selling the extreme subohm type setup to new users.
 
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The .5 will save on some juice but really it sounds like a Nautilus type tank or Subtank with 1+ohm coils would more to your liking.

Again, it's too bad B&M's are selling the extreme subohm type setup to new users.
Well it was kinda of my fault. After a week with the i bliss I went back in the shop and asked what would be the next step up. Never realizing it would use so much juice.
 

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Thanks a lot guys. You are all super nice!!! So these are the coils it came with :
25=65 watts
.5=30-35
No-temp=@550,45 watts to 50 watts

So the .5 coil will preserve my juice and power? What about the no coil?
There are only 4 coils I am aware of the for crown tank.

0.25Ω - Stainless Steel Dual Coil
0.50Ω - Stainless Steel Dual Coil
1.2Ω - Stainless Steel Coil
0.15 - Ni200 (Nickel coil) - Can only be run in temperature control mode.

I run my 0.25Ω coil at 70-85 watts. I run the 0.5Ω coil at 50-60 watts.

If you are running the 0.25Ω coil at 40 watts then you will most likely run the 0.5Ω coil lower than 40 watts. If you do, it should put out less vapor and conserve your juice. I have not tried the Ni200 coil or the 1.2Ω coil. But the 1.2Ω coil should put out even less vapor than the 0.5Ω coil.
 
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Are there links where one can go educate themselves on the mechanics of this vaping business lol
If you are interested in learning more about e-cigarettes (and all the parts and pieces) below are some blog posts by ECF member @Baditude that I highly recommend for someone new to vaping.
And then there are these four.
Here are a few more links from New Members Information <= Link covers many topics. Here are two of them:
Nicotine

A "general guideline" for nicotine concentration in e-liquid to the number of cigarettes smoked per day. If you are subohming (resistance under 1.0Ω) cut these nicotine levels by at least 50%.

06 mg = 10 cigarettes or less
12 mg = 20 cigarettes
18 mg = 30 cigarettes
24 mg = 40 cigarettes

eLiquid/Juice

PG = Propylene Glycol - the "flavor carrier" of e-liquid. A secondary source of "throat hit", but not as strong as the nicotine concentration. Some people have a sensitivity or even an allergy to PG. It's very thin.

VG = Vegetable Glycerin - the "vapor maker" of e-liquid. Used as a sweeter in many food sources, and also as a skin emollient. It's very thick. Often labeled just "Glycerine"

PG and VG are often used together in different ratios in e-liquid. For example, a 50/50 PG/VG ratio. Many juice vendors offer a range of different ratios as far as PG/VG.
 

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There are only 4 coils I am aware of the for crown tank.

0.25Ω - Stainless Steel Dual Coil
0.50Ω - Stainless Steel Dual Coil
1.2Ω - Stainless Steel Coil
0.15 - Ni200 (Nickel coil) - Can only be run in temperature control mode.

I run my 0.25Ω coil at 70-85 watts. I run the 0.5Ω coil at 50-60 watts.

If you are running the 0.25Ω coil at 40 watts then you will most likely run the 0.5Ω coil lower than 40 watts. If you do, it should put out less vapor and conserve your juice. I have not tried the Ni200 coil or the 1.2Ω coil. But the 1.2Ω coil should put out even less vapor than the 0.5Ω coil.
Thanks Susan very helpful :)
 
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If you are interested in learning more about e-cigarettes (and all the parts and pieces) below are some blog posts by ECF member @Baditude that I highly recommend for someone new to vaping.
And then there are these four.
Here are a few more links from New Members Information <= Link covers many topics. Here are two of them:
Nicotine

A "general guideline" for nicotine concentration in e-liquid to the number of cigarettes smoked per day. If you are subohming (resistance under 1.0Ω) cut these nicotine levels by at least 50%.

06 mg = 10 cigarettes or less
12 mg = 20 cigarettes
18 mg = 30 cigarettes
24 mg = 40 cigarettes

eLiquid/Juice

PG = Propylene Glycol - the "flavor carrier" of e-liquid. A secondary source of "throat hit", but not as strong as the nicotine concentration. Some people have a sensitivity or even an allergy to PG. It's very thin.

VG = Vegetable Glycerin - the "vapor maker" of e-liquid. Used as a sweeter in many food sources, and also as a skin emollient. It's very thick. Often labeled just "Glycerine"

PG and VG are often used together in different ratios in e-liquid. For example, a 50/50 PG/VG ratio. Many juice vendors offer a range of different ratios as far as PG/VG.


Amazing info thanks so much :)
 
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here is the contest thread. And what do you mean mechanics of the vaping business... what exactly do you want to educate yourself on...this forum is your biggest source of knowledge....we can help you through a lot.
Like what's the difference with the coils and the number like .25 .05 what does that equate too? Higher the number more juice and vapor it produces more heat it can take? Also what's the difference with titanium nickel what are the differences between the modes? Vw/vt-ni/vt-ti/vt-ss316/tcr what mode is better ? So confused. Thanks again for your patience guys. I'll be heading to roxy vape in a few hours to try to sort out this mess. Should I keep the same tank and just run .5 coil?
 

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VW-is variable wattage also known as power mode...this is your basic mode...this mode is utilized with wire types such as Nichrom/Kanthal/and Stainless Steel....Your VT-Variable temperature...are Your temperature control coils such as Titanium and Nickel(Ni200) coils. These coils can only be utilized in temperature control mode because if they get too hot then they produce gases that can be harmful if inhaled. The benefit is a different flavor profile that many people enjoy and it also allows you to dial in a perfect vape for you and minimize a dry/burnt hit. TCR(temperature coefficient ratio) is a number designated for a specific wire type. If you manipulate this then you can dial in your vaping to an even more precise level. It is an advanced feature, and is another tool utilized for temperature control vaping. The .25/.5/1.2 all stand for resistances of the wire in your coil head. There is a lot of argument on this particular subject due to you being able to achieve these same resistances a variety of ways with several different gauges of wire and techniques...however the rule of thumb is the lower the resistance(i.e.: below 1.0----the hotter the wire will get....this will produce more vapor and more flavor. In return the juice consumption is greater. The higher the resistance---the less vapor you will get and less juice consumption it will take...but you can still achieve good flavor notes. In most cases although not all it also requires more watts/power to utilize a lower resistance coil than it would a higher resistance coil...so if you are utilizing a .25 coil at 40 watts....then your .5 coil you would be utilizing at say 25-30 watts.

The crown tank is a great tank... and you will find a lot of people on this site swear by it... there are some on here that have multiple crown tanks that they use on a daily basis...but it isnt for everyone. Some of those are also ones that make their own e-juice...or have the funds to keep up with the amount of ejuice they consume. If you find that the tank is eating too much juice for your vaping habits then it obviously isn't a good choice for you at this time. Like you said your new to vaping so you probably just quit smoking, and are a chain vaper.... and you need something that will limit your consumption as you do chain vape....so maybe get another tank for your all day cravings with a 1.2 or 1.5 ohm coil and then bring the crown tank out on those special occassions when you want to switch it up and have a new flavor experience. Because the crown with its stainless steel coils does offer a different flavor profile then a regular kanthal coil does.
 

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You have a excellent set-up, It sould serve well. I have both the cuboid and many Crown tanks. I suggest to keep reading up on this. The .25 coil is a monster that does drink the juice, and somewhat drains the batteries faster. the .5 Coils will use less in both. The NI 200 coil is for temp control only and in the NI mode only. You may be a little over your head now if your just starting with this set up, but it only means you saved a bit in slowly upgrading month to month. I cant count how much I spent searching for a better vape over the last 2 years. If spending too much on juice is a concern research making you own. It's not that hard to do but does have start up cost that pays for its self in time. Maybe I am suggesting to much for now, I see you have been here for years so it should not be to hard to get a grasp of it. Anyway hope that helps.
 
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Like what's the difference with the coils and the number like .25 .05 what does that equate too? Higher the number more juice and vapor it produces more heat it can take? Also what's the difference with titanium nickel what are the differences between the modes? Vw/vt-ni/vt-ti/vt-ss316/tcr what mode is better ? So confused. Thanks again for your patience guys. I'll be heading to roxy vape in a few hours to try to sort out this mess. Should I keep the same tank and just run .5 coil?
Did you you buy your setup from a kiosk at the mall or a street vendor or something? Why didn't the store you bought it from explain how it works?

My first setup was the Nautilus Mini Premium Kit and although that device is very simple compared to your setup, the guy at the store spent 10-15 minutes going over the device with me and explaining things in detail.
 
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VW-is variable wattage also known as power mode...this is your basic mode...this mode is utilized with wire types such as Nichrom/Kanthal/and Stainless Steel....Your VT-Variable temperature...are Your temperature control coils such as Titanium and Nickel(Ni200) coils. These coils can only be utilized in temperature control mode because if they get too hot then they produce gases that can be harmful if inhaled. The benefit is a different flavor profile that many people enjoy and it also allows you to dial in a perfect vape for you and minimize a dry/burnt hit. TCR(temperature coefficient ratio) is a number designated for a specific wire type. If you manipulate this then you can dial in your vaping to an even more precise level. It is an advanced feature, and is another tool utilized for temperature control vaping. The .25/.5/1.2 all stand for resistances of the wire in your coil head. There is a lot of argument on this particular subject due to you being able to achieve these same resistances a variety of ways with several different gauges of wire and techniques...however the rule of thumb is the lower the resistance(i.e.: below 1.0----the hotter the wire will get....this will produce more vapor and more flavor. In return the juice consumption is greater. The higher the resistance---the less vapor you will get and less juice consumption it will take...but you can still achieve good flavor notes. In most cases although not all it also requires more watts/power to utilize a lower resistance coil than it would a higher resistance coil...so if you are utilizing a .25 coil at 40 watts....then your .5 coil you would be utilizing at say 25-30 watts.

The crown tank is a great tank... and you will find a lot of people on this site swear by it... there are some on here that have multiple crown tanks that they use on a daily basis...but it isnt for everyone. Some of those are also ones that make their own e-juice...or have the funds to keep up with the amount of ejuice they consume. If you find that the tank is eating too much juice for your vaping habits then it obviously isn't a good choice for you at this time. Like you said your new to vaping so you probably just quit smoking, and are a chain vaper.... and you need something that will limit your consumption as you do chain vape....so maybe get another tank for your all day cravings with a 1.2 or 1.5 ohm coil and then bring the crown tank out on those special occassions when you want to switch it up and have a new flavor experience. Because the crown with its stainless steel coils does offer a different flavor profile then a regular kanthal coil does.
So could I actually use the tank that came on my ibliss subvape with cuboid?
 

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Did you you buy your setup from a kiosk at the mall or a street vendor or something? Why didn't the store you bought it from explain how it works?

My first setup was the Nautilus Mini Premium Kit and although that device is very simple compared to your setup, the guy at the store spent 10-15 minutes going over the device with me and explaining things in detail.
From a store I said I wanted the step up from the ibliss kinda my fault for rushing into things!
 

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You have a excellent set-up, It sould serve well. I have both the cuboid and many Crown tanks. I suggest to keep reading up on this. The .25 coil is a monster that does drink the juice, and somewhat drains the batteries faster. the .5 Coils will use less in both. The NI 200 coil is for temp control only and in the NI mode only. You may be a little over your head now if your just starting with this set up, but it only means you saved a bit in slowly upgrading month to month. I cant count how much I spent searching for a better vape over the last 2 years. If spending too much on juice is a concern research making you own. It's not that hard to do but does have start up cost that pays for its self in time. Maybe I am suggesting to much for now, I see you have been here for years so it should not be to hard to get a grasp of it. Anyway hope that helps.
Thanks man! So coils the higher they are the less they use? .5 compared to .25 .5 uses less? What's the maximum wattage I could use with the .5? Could I use my subvape tank on the cuboid?
 
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