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Projectguy

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Canada Customs has a standing order with UPS that we are not to process shipments containing smokeless cigarettes. We have forwarded your concerns to our Brokerage Department for further processing. We have requested to have your shipment submitted to customs for them to make the final decision.


Hmmmmm UPS acting on behalf of customs? Why did they even accept the shipment then? Something seems off...

I'm having difficulty understanding this.

There in no law prohibiting the import of mods

All Canada Customs can do to "discourage" the purchase of e-cigs without nic is to refer a package to Health Canada. As long as the package does not make any health claims the only thing they can do is hold it for a maximum of 40 days after which time they MUST release the package to its intended recipient.

If you have a mod or device coming in cross boarder being held up its with Health Canada. Call them up and harass them. I do it, I know the officers by name and they probably groan when I call. While it does not speed up the process because they have BIGGER problems than e-digs and a horrendous back log if they happen to see it on the pile they'll move along rather than have me call them every other day.

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I have been reading lately more and more vendors nic orders are being ''confiscated'' and destroyed.

Balderdash! Shipments may be confiscated but are typically returned to sender. I would be very surprised if they were "destroyed". Customs and Health would be inserting themselves with a large stick if shipments were destroyed without consent.

Oh and two more questions: where and how would they be destroyed? Using what authority? Show me the law.
 
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Balderdash! Shipments may be confiscated but are typically returned to sender. I would be very surprised if they were "destroyed". Customs and Health would be inserting themselves with a large stick if shipments were destroyed without consent.





Oh and two more questions: where and how would they be destroyed? Using what authority? Show me the law.

Importing Prohibited and Controlled Goods

They will ''dispose'' meaning destroy.


''If prohibited goods are discovered, they will be disposed of and the importer may face criminal charges''

The CBSA will hold the goods and inform you by mail that you need the proper import documents before the Agency can release them. If you cannot provide the proper documents and you agree to abandon the goods, the CBSA will dispose of them or, if possible, return them to the sender.

Importing by Mail



''If prohibited goods are discovered, they will be disposed of and the importer may face criminal charges''
 

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Uh huh. There is no law that prohibits nicotine at the border. Customs can't produce one. They'll claim Health Canada has prohibited it, but Health Canada doesn't have the authority to do so. In fact, there's a little known rule that DOES allow nicotine to be shipped as long as the dosage is below 4mg per dose.
 

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“Unfortunately, there isn’t a lot of information to go on. However, the
following if likely something the electronic cigarette community would be
interested in learning about. Sounds like the FDA has been seizing
shipments of pharmaceutical nicotine for undetermined reasons.

Tasty Vapor owner Geoff Braithwaite has confirmed that a shipment of 12
kilograms of pharmaceutical nicotine was seized. That’s about 3 one-gallon
jugs by our calculations. According to Braithwaite, the seizure may
have occurred because the content was mislabeled as multi-purpose cleaner.
But his company isn’t the only victim.


http://www.grimmgreen.com/post/43630101768/concerns-growing-around-seized-pharmaceutical-nicotine
 

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Importing Prohibited and Controlled Goods

They will ''dispose'' meaning destroy.

''If prohibited goods are discovered, they will be disposed of and the importer may face criminal charges''

The CBSA will hold the goods and inform you by mail that you need the proper import documents before the Agency can release them. If you cannot provide the proper documents and you agree to abandon the goods, the CBSA will dispose of them or, if possible, return them to the sender.

Importing by Mail

''If prohibited goods are discovered, they will be disposed of and the importer may face criminal charges''

En Garde!!!!! 8-o They would first have to prove in excess of 4% concentration. No one fights everyone gets run over

Oh and BTW the web site says:

These goods are subject to import controls. The CBSA will hold the goods and inform you by mail that you need the proper import documents before the Agency can release them. If you cannot provide the proper documents and you agree to abandon the goods, the CBSA will dispose of them or, if possible, return them to the sender.
 
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If customs destroys a shipment before its abandoned they've opened themselves up for liability in a lawsuit, they can at best return it to sender at senders or intended receivers cost. Either way it would be a rather situation. Its not completely cut and dry it's a very grey area which if you push them they will probably just amend the laws in question (which they actually are in the process of right now, whether that is good or bad for us) be aware the food and drug act is being amended and that they have to give notice of change and if any occur we must fight it. Be wary fellow Canadian vapers. (Also to the guy stating mods aren't included it states devices to administer nicotine somewhere in there specifically however at the 4mg dose level which is the loophole we slip through presently) basically this amounts to misguided seizures and returns by health canada. We need to challenge them on their stance not on a case by case basis. We need to stand up for our rights.
 

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Sent an email to health Canada about their advisory warning being defunct and what are their reasons behind enforcing it. Just for the fun of it, let us see where this goes. Maybe we can start bombarding them about this issue to force their hand, once I get a proper contact if you all want I can share it so they can get bombarded
 

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**sigh** That entire clusterF was months ago and has been since rectified. Old news. And not germane to getting shipments across the US/Canadian border.

Sorry I missed that one. What exactly happened and how did it get fixed, if you don't mind? I'm just curious, is all.
 

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Sent an email to health Canada about their advisory warning being defunct and what are their reasons behind enforcing it. Just for the fun of it, let us see where this goes. Maybe we can start bombarding them about this issue to force their hand, once I get a proper contact if you all want I can share it so they can get bombarded

Good idea. I believe we need to put forward the notion that they should be regulated as consumer goods (i.e. the electronics should have CE/RoHS certification, etc.), and the eliquids as essentially food-grade products, similar to coffee or tea in that they contain a drug but not in a form that mandates special treatment. Definitely not as 'medicines' (what a joke) or as 'tobacco products', since nicotine can be synthesized (or derived from tomatoes/eggplants, though not as readily/cost-effectively, obviously). Getting fed up with all the B.S. that is going on with this whole thing...but I guess pioneers always have it tough, no matter what.
 

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Sent an email to health Canada about their advisory warning being defunct and what are their reasons behind enforcing it. Just for the fun of it, let us see where this goes. Maybe we can start bombarding them about this issue to force their hand, once I get a proper contact if you all want I can share it so they can get bombarded

Any sort of response? I'm curious to know.
 
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