So it's day 5 of being cigarette free and just vaping, minus a couple drags one early morning... And I'm sure this has been covered many times, but so far from vaping I don't get that kick/wake up in the morning as with real cigs, and I have about 40ml of 12mg nic juice in 65/35 blend and I love the flavors and I love vaping but I find myself doing it almost constantly throughout the day with no hint of a buzz whatsoever. I smoked Marlb reds for about 5 years, around 15 a day, and I like the amount of TH with 70/30 and 65/35 and I love the vapor production, if I go down to a 50/50 blend to get more vapor can I bump up the nicotine content to not miss on the throat hit? It just feels like I'm not really getting any nicotine, or maybe my brain is just missing the additives and chemicals. Should I just finish out the juice I have and give myself more time to adjust before bumping up the nicotine content? Also I'm just using a kanger evod starter kit if that matters. Thanks in advance
Day 5, in need of advice
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Other people will have advice for you about throat hit.. they know better than I do.. regarding blends and nic level, etc.
Sadly though, vaping is not going to give you the buzz that smoking did.
I'd say go ahead and get the higher level juice now and save the 12ml for when you feel you want less, like before bed maybe.
Regardless, give yourself time to adjust to all of it. You will adjust
Sadly though, vaping is not going to give you the buzz that smoking did.
I'd say go ahead and get the higher level juice now and save the 12ml for when you feel you want less, like before bed maybe.
Regardless, give yourself time to adjust to all of it. You will adjust
Well, depending oh how much you used to smoke 12mg may be too low for ya.
But you're in the initial stages when your body is still calling out for whatever the other poisons from analogs are.
They will pass, but you may want to try some 18mg juice to see if it has more kick.
But you're in the initial stages when your body is still calling out for whatever the other poisons from analogs are.
They will pass, but you may want to try some 18mg juice to see if it has more kick.
I figured it wouldn't quite give me the buzz smoking did =\ but I couldn't tell if my brain still wants the extra chemicals or if I need more nicotine since I was 15 or so a day for years. thanks for the input I might just have to order some juices I've tried with more nicotine and maybe 70/30 or 60/40. starting out vaping is expensive and a little frustrating! hahah just wanting to try all the flavors and finding the right mix and all that
Well... it's all very much individual and there don't seem to be a lot of "hard and fast rules". I know I let myself have that "first one of the day" for quite a while even after starting vaping. I was able to cut back massively (as in dropping from two packs a day to maybe half a dozen cigs per day) right off but was "dual use" for a while. Seemed I needed a quick "boost" from a cig then I could coast along fine on vaping for hours.
The nicotine is absorbed much, much faster in smoking. The smoke particles are much smaller than vapor and absorption in the lungs is fast. The nic can reach the brain in around ten seconds. That "first one of the day" took a good month to die out with me. I didn't fight it. Long as the overall trend in my smoking was down, I let myself have the occasional "cheat".
Thing with vaping is the primary absorption being in the mouth and nasal passages, it's a slower process. There seems to be, for many, an adjustment period. As I understand the whole smoking thing, what we all did was we were used to maintaining some level of nicotine in our bloodstreams at all times. And whatever level that was, we had built up habits to maintain it. Switching "delivery systems" means changing long standing habits and that doesn't happen overnight for everybody.
(Some folks are lucky and hit the right "combination" of kit and liquids and nic levels and all and walk away from smoking on day one. Not everybody does though. I took six weeks. Got there but not overnight.)
Now, you don't have to have "a" nic level. I have more than one. Higher for mornings and other times I'd crave a cig (like after eating). Moderate for "coasting". Low for evenings (I discovered nic, being a stimulant, could keep me awake nights... I had to go real low on the nic level in the evening.... especially close to bed time... that is, if I planned on getting to sleep before 3 in the morning
).You could try a higher nic for mornings. Then switch down for "regular" vaping. Like I do. But I can tell you, you won't get that "kick". Believe me. I've tried. It's that whole thing about the smoke getting down in your lungs and the rapid uptake of the nicotine. And smoke in your lungs is exactly what you're trying to get away from.
Vaping just ain't smoking (now days, I think it's a lot better... but one won't ever be the other).
You know, lately, I've had a weird... it's like a "nostalgia" kind of thing... I guess... about smoking. It's not an urge it's... "missing" the act of smoking? Mild and not a big deal but on a lark, I bought an NJoy. They do a decent job of imitating the "real thing" and are high nic (their "bold" version is 45mg/ml... pretty hefty). You could try one as a "morning cig" and see if that works. The non-menthol "bold" red ones kind of remind me of Marlboros. A little?
But, also, it's not the end of the world if you can't yet give up that "first one in the morning". At five days in, if that's the only one you give into, that's still great progress. Means you went from 15 to 1. Which ain't bad eh?
Like I think I already said, took me near a month to give up that first one. Just one morning the idea of a cigarette first thing in the morning sounded kind of vile and I vaped instead. And never had a "first one" again.
Where are you located in NE?
We have a highly reviewed juice vendor that lives in Omaha, and will do local sales, though he doesnt have a storefront.
You can also sample his juices at Husker e-cigs way out in NW Omaha.
Nicoticket.com
Most new vapers start out at 18mg - 24mg nic strength. Some even start out at 36mg. And the nicotine is what provides the TH. I would definitely increase the nic strength of your eliquid. You can adjust it over time or as was suggested, even within a day. Some never go below those levels. But based on your issues, upping your nic strength would be in order.
In the very early stages for me, I was using 18mg during the day but couldn't kick the first cig of the day either. I was advised to up to 24mg...this only lasted a couple of weeks (I recommend a very nasty hangover!) before I was back on my regular 18mg all day... try upping it first thing in the morning and see how you get on!x
xtwosm0kesx makes some very good points. First, bump up you nic level for a while and see if that helps at least a little. I imagine that it will. Second, you will probably experience cravings, at least to some degree, regardless of the nic level.
For the last 5 years, you have been conditioning your body and mind to the sensations provided by nicotine and 100s of other toxins and chemicals found in analogues. Nicotine is a fairly mild stimulant compared to some of the other junk added to cigarettes that you simply will not get through vaping. I think it is safe to say that you will not achieve that same "buzz" through vaping, however, the cravings do and will subside to a more manageable level.
Another thing to keep in mind, the nicotine that is delivered through vaping is not absorbed into the body at the same rate as it is through smoking. You are actually getting less nicotine absorption through vaping.
Get a higher nic level juice and allow yourself time to adjust. It will come with patience and and the right nic level. Taper down gradually. Set time gates for yourself if that might help. Try 18mg for 2 weeks and see how your body adjusts. Extend the gate if you feel like you need the extra time. If and when you are ready step down to 12mg, do so and set another time gate like 1 month. If 18mg isn't enough, step up to 24mg and give yourself another gate. The gates aren't to restrict you but rather a goal to allow your body time to adjust to your new lifestyle.
Live long, and vape on!
For the last 5 years, you have been conditioning your body and mind to the sensations provided by nicotine and 100s of other toxins and chemicals found in analogues. Nicotine is a fairly mild stimulant compared to some of the other junk added to cigarettes that you simply will not get through vaping. I think it is safe to say that you will not achieve that same "buzz" through vaping, however, the cravings do and will subside to a more manageable level.
Another thing to keep in mind, the nicotine that is delivered through vaping is not absorbed into the body at the same rate as it is through smoking. You are actually getting less nicotine absorption through vaping.
Get a higher nic level juice and allow yourself time to adjust. It will come with patience and and the right nic level. Taper down gradually. Set time gates for yourself if that might help. Try 18mg for 2 weeks and see how your body adjusts. Extend the gate if you feel like you need the extra time. If and when you are ready step down to 12mg, do so and set another time gate like 1 month. If 18mg isn't enough, step up to 24mg and give yourself another gate. The gates aren't to restrict you but rather a goal to allow your body time to adjust to your new lifestyle.
Live long, and vape on!
Hey man. I'm on day 3, with 24mg juice. At this level, I get some desire for a cig, but after 10 good puffs on my rig, I'm feeling almost no cravings. Also, I'm using menthol juice, for that added bit of sensation in my mouth, although I was smoking menthols for about the last year, so I don't know if that would make a difference for you. I'd say start high on the nic, to balance out the lack of cigs. It's going pretty smoothly for me.
I'll be moving back to Lincoln here in October hopefully and I have some friends in Omaha, I'll have to try and make a trip to that store sometime for sure!
Thanks for the support and advice, and what mkbilbo was saying, I understand that a lot; the only time I really crave an analog is in the morning when I first wake up, if I make it through that without having one and just vaping I can handle my other cravings throughout the day. And I will take everyone's advice and order some juice with maybe 18-20ish mg of nicotine and see if that can help me escape the morning cravings. I didn't realize your nasal passages also absorb the nicotine in the vapor, I guess I'll have to do long drags, hold it in the lungs and out the nose then hahah
Don't know if this helps, but effects of cigarette withdrawal took nearly two months to subside (for me). It at first felt like an unholy combo of pms, the flu, and early onset Alzheimer's.
I wish somebody would study what our bodies experience when moving from analogues to vaping instead of trying to find reasons to scare people off vaping and back onto analogues.
I wish somebody would study what our bodies experience when moving from analogues to vaping instead of trying to find reasons to scare people off vaping and back onto analogues.
1st off - I learned early on that nicotine is much like caffeine and not the harmful part of smoking! - so I've relaxed a lot in getting off it as well as the ol' stinkies. You will get to the point when you try a stinky that it smells and tastes horrid to you - after 'mostly' vaping.
Have patience with yourself! It'll come when you can leave the stinkies alone and enjoy a favorite flavor juice instead (grin).
I found beginning with 18mg was about equal to my 1/2-1 pack a day habit over the last 20 yrs (lower towards the end trying to stop smoking)... I made up some juices lowering my nicotine 3-4mg each 'step' and made up 30ml bottles in these 5-6 steps - I figured when I ran out of that bottle, I'd begin the next lower one. I found the 1st month I liked occasionally having a puff or two on a bit higher level, and then could return to the lower level, etc. I made some mistakes in my mixing at first, looking only at the nic level and not the flavors when mixing... got down to 6mg bottle and couldn't handle the 5/6ths green mint and 1/6th tobacco - lol - so at that level, I began ordering my nicotine (60mg) in PG base, my flavors all concentrated in PG, and some plain VG, for a 70PG/30VG mix.
I was pleasantly surprised when dropping from one level to the next that for only maybe 3-4 days did I require an 'occasional' hit at a higher level nic, then could progress on with the lower level nic. Nothing like any 'cold turkey' I'd ever attempted!! lol
I found some juice calculators online to help me 'add more of this or that to end up with right nic mg and flavor %s and the 70/30 mix.
So, instead of setting those 12mg juices of yours aside (they might loose their flavors while waiting), just add some nicotine to them for now and begin to accumulate the 4 basics ingredients (PG, VG, nicotine, flavors) if you want to eventually mix your own preferences... (saves some $ doing so! and is fun!)
There is a 'learning curve' in each aspect of vaping over smoking - which cartomisers/tanks/clearomizers work best (and are rebuildable or coils/wicks are replaceable) - which battery supplies what you need/like - what flavors do you like (from which vendors) - and in all of these is the shopping for the best price/when aspect also. Other aspects like DIY juices and rebuilding atomizer heads are two more areas with learning curves imbedded in them...
I'm using eGo-C Twist 650 mAh batteries (4 of them since February 2013 - 1 is slowing down, lasting shorter periods, 8 mos. down the road, cuz I not-knowingly 'topped them off' before going out all day - opps - let 'em go dead, then recharge.) so I recently bought 4 more from a guy on eBay in OKC, OK. I have 8 or so EVOD heads and like them, but am looking at some T32's on Fastech's website (asking if they also carry or will carry the replacement heads for them) - I prefer the shorter 'tanks' (1.6ml capacity). I have several different juices that I like and use every day - Cinnamon Danish Swirl in the morning, Mango/Virginia Tobacco anytime, Virginia Tobacco/Kentucky Menthol Tobacco in the evenings - love the little bit of menthol (NOT MINT! haha) and other fruit flavors as standalones... all from my favorite vendors for that flavor (online).
Well - I don't want to write a book here - so will leave what I've written above as to what's gone on with my journey, for your help, perhaps. Only once in those 8 mos. have all four of my bats been dead at the same time. I bought a passthrough battery as a backup, just in case.
NancyB
When i started I would have my vamo with 24mg in it, right next to my bed. I'd wake up and right away take a couple puffs and I was set. There more time between waking up and my first nic hit would only increase my cravings. A little tedious for the first 2 weeks but it's just something you gotta do. Although vaping has been the most painless method of quitting I have tried, there will always be some sort of hurdle to get over.
Now after nearly 2 months I am down to 12mg morning/afternoon and 6mg at night. No cravings and once you get your sense of smell back, you'll start to hate the smell of the stinkies if you don't already.
Throat hit, I have found varies more with nicotine content then pg/vg ratio. I have a boba's at 12mg, which is all vg, that has a bunch of TH when I use my rda, while a 80pg/20vg 0mg ry4 has no TH what so ever. That is just what I have noticed so far on my vapeing journey.
I would also suggest you get some backup devices, sounds like you only have the 1 starter kit. e-cig devices will fail on you at one point or another, you will need to have another device within arms reach when that happens. The stress of a broken device and not having anything to vape will be too much to bear and might cause a "relapse." It's happened to me and had to last 3 days on disposables, not fun.
Now after nearly 2 months I am down to 12mg morning/afternoon and 6mg at night. No cravings and once you get your sense of smell back, you'll start to hate the smell of the stinkies if you don't already.
Throat hit, I have found varies more with nicotine content then pg/vg ratio. I have a boba's at 12mg, which is all vg, that has a bunch of TH when I use my rda, while a 80pg/20vg 0mg ry4 has no TH what so ever. That is just what I have noticed so far on my vapeing journey.
I would also suggest you get some backup devices, sounds like you only have the 1 starter kit. e-cig devices will fail on you at one point or another, you will need to have another device within arms reach when that happens. The stress of a broken device and not having anything to vape will be too much to bear and might cause a "relapse." It's happened to me and had to last 3 days on disposables, not fun.
I'm surprised reading what you went through coming off the stinkies - I had none of those - but was elated as my 'taste' and 'smell' returned slowly!! Food now tastes devine! haha but the nicotine still being used acts as an appetite inhibitor to counter-act the 'tasting/smelling' !!
NancyB
As others have said, that first one (actually 3 for me) in the morning was really hard for me to give up. I smoked it for a week or two before realizing I needed to wake and just start hitting the ecig to over come those early morning cravings. Good Luck!
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It wasn't bad at all lol. Well...it was weird in that I had no need at all to smoke a cigarette, and I at first really thought that I had the flu or untimely pms; didn't associate it with withdrawal. Very strange yet happy experience!
Lotsa good advice! I start with 24 mg in the AM, then the rest of the day at 18mg. Works for me to get the heart beating anyway!
Hi, my name is John and I'm a vapor(my take-off on Alcoholics Anon.)
Ok, I've been vaping for about a month now and agree with all that's been said. Mornings and after meals are difficult and sometimes I'll have a analog. I don't consider it a big deal. I have far fewer now(0 to 3/day) than when I started(10 to 15/day). My contribution to this thread is to caution on late night vaping. Several times I would be vaping away, not realizing my nicotine "load" and spending three hours tossing and turning trying to get to sleep. Very good advice to reduce the nic mgs down to half of the daytime vape. I'm starting that now from 24 or 18mg to 12mgs.
Ok, I've been vaping for about a month now and agree with all that's been said. Mornings and after meals are difficult and sometimes I'll have a analog. I don't consider it a big deal. I have far fewer now(0 to 3/day) than when I started(10 to 15/day). My contribution to this thread is to caution on late night vaping. Several times I would be vaping away, not realizing my nicotine "load" and spending three hours tossing and turning trying to get to sleep. Very good advice to reduce the nic mgs down to half of the daytime vape. I'm starting that now from 24 or 18mg to 12mgs.
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