Detoxing the Heavy Metal Vape Scare
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The problem is the old trying to hit a moving target one. Many of the trace metallic testing was published back in 2014-2015, some in 2016, and the more recent was 2017(?). Let's take a 2015 article. In order to write a grant proposal, get the money, do the testing (the results of which you sorta knew because you used those expected results as the basis to convince whoever's pocket it was to give you the money), collate and run the numbers, then write it up and get it published means you likely started back in 2012-2013 and were tied to use the test items you identified you would test when you started out (if you were honest).
That means even recent studies (and 2015 is considered relatively recent for reliable biomedical published papers provided something totally world shattering didn't change the axis of the earth in the last 3 months) are already inapplicable as the hardware and e liquids tested are no longer in general use or up for sale. Pretty much like the Gen 2 clearo vs. Gem 3 VW tests for aldehydes that were all the rage of debate 3 years ago. We're almost on Gen 4 with temp control, dry hit control, New coil construction and configurations, new wicking materials, and on and on. So those older tests don't tell you what risks today's vaping experiences may carry compared to earlier.
This isn't just a vape related problem. The same thing happens in other areas of medical research where advances outpace experience. So IMHO, it should he treated the same way. Namely hey, that's interesting. I'm glad we don't do it that way anymore, and comparing test procedures suggests it may have been something to he concerned about, but when we look for the same stuff now it's not a real issue. Thanks for the heads up and we'll keep an eye out going forward not to risk sliding backwards.
That's what rational people do. That's what responsible medical professionals who have had an opportunity over time to see development and progress in a field to be able to place relative risks into proper perspective.
I had a 6 month medical evaluation today. New person, had my history but was starting from scratch. Which is fine. I've got my story down pat and can give a complete and detailed history and summary in 5 minutes or less. When we got the to ex smoker now vaper thing, I got not only the great on beating the cigs, but get this, how much nic was I vaping? That indicates a pretty solid knowledge base to even know enough to ask how much did I start out at and what was I now using.
So mainstream medicine and science does advance despite experiments and studies done which are biased, poorly performed, or yesterday's stale news. Despite all the scary headlines and poorly gathered information dumps into the literature, the truths do bubble towards the top. Honestly, I worry more about the extremists, vaping is the spawn of Satan and deadly tempting as a siren (given the connotation a bad name for Digiflavor to have chosen for a pretty good mtl tank), to vaping is the cure for all illnesses and turns your postal van into a galloping Unicorn dashing up your driveway. The truth, as in most things, falls somewhere in the middle.
Are there metals I'd rather not inhale in my vapor? Probably. Not sure exactly how much, but more important not sure where they're coming from. If I knew that I'd be happy to lower my risk even more of it can be addressed without trashing my entire vape collection and vaping experience. So I'm not freaked out by it. I know the torches and pitchfork crowd will use it to toss out to scare the innocent. But I also would rather have it out in the open, not hidden away like some dark secret, because better to be upfront, better to address it if it's even a problem (and those levels sure don't sound like much of a problem other than where's that Ni coming from) and recognize that the medical community isn't so dense as to miss the positives even if there are potential negatives that may only be theoretical or may even be able to address without much muss or fuss if it reduces risk even further. For all the theoretical Diacetyl nonsense it still wasn't so terrible that flavor makers could come up with Diacetyl free flavorings for those who cared.
Knowledge is not bad. Testing for risks, even if theoretical or remote, isn't terrible. As always it's the use that matters. Use it for positive reasons like making a safer experience even more so to get more smokers off combustible tobacco. Maybe actually find some unclear risk no one ever thought of and a find a solution to it. Not the negative use of bashing somerhing with so much potential. But don't stop generating the information. Just stop using it out of context and for scare tactics instead of for helping get more smokers safely off of tobacco.
And that has to happen from the medical community itself, which it already is. Not every doctor out there is like that Dr. Whatever her lips opposite YouTube star Tommy Vapes in the debate from kindergarten on the news. Tommy no more represents me as a vaper as that Dr. Whoever represents the serious responsible medical community.
It's tough to not respond by lashing out in anger to this stuff. But doing so only helps the pitchfork crowd make us look like Frankenstein ( the monster or the doctor, that whole who's who in the movie gets confusing). Remaining calm and responding with fact rather than emotion is what will carry weight over the long term ( not "spokesvapers" like Tommy) Hopefully. If society really is sane.
If it's not sane, I guess none of it will really matter anyway when we all go extinct regardless how much we quit smoking and vape. It's almost scary enough to make you want to go out and have a smoke.
Tl;dr I really did get carried away. The metals are no biggie
That means even recent studies (and 2015 is considered relatively recent for reliable biomedical published papers provided something totally world shattering didn't change the axis of the earth in the last 3 months) are already inapplicable as the hardware and e liquids tested are no longer in general use or up for sale. Pretty much like the Gen 2 clearo vs. Gem 3 VW tests for aldehydes that were all the rage of debate 3 years ago. We're almost on Gen 4 with temp control, dry hit control, New coil construction and configurations, new wicking materials, and on and on. So those older tests don't tell you what risks today's vaping experiences may carry compared to earlier.
This isn't just a vape related problem. The same thing happens in other areas of medical research where advances outpace experience. So IMHO, it should he treated the same way. Namely hey, that's interesting. I'm glad we don't do it that way anymore, and comparing test procedures suggests it may have been something to he concerned about, but when we look for the same stuff now it's not a real issue. Thanks for the heads up and we'll keep an eye out going forward not to risk sliding backwards.
That's what rational people do. That's what responsible medical professionals who have had an opportunity over time to see development and progress in a field to be able to place relative risks into proper perspective.
I had a 6 month medical evaluation today. New person, had my history but was starting from scratch. Which is fine. I've got my story down pat and can give a complete and detailed history and summary in 5 minutes or less. When we got the to ex smoker now vaper thing, I got not only the great on beating the cigs, but get this, how much nic was I vaping? That indicates a pretty solid knowledge base to even know enough to ask how much did I start out at and what was I now using.
So mainstream medicine and science does advance despite experiments and studies done which are biased, poorly performed, or yesterday's stale news. Despite all the scary headlines and poorly gathered information dumps into the literature, the truths do bubble towards the top. Honestly, I worry more about the extremists, vaping is the spawn of Satan and deadly tempting as a siren (given the connotation a bad name for Digiflavor to have chosen for a pretty good mtl tank), to vaping is the cure for all illnesses and turns your postal van into a galloping Unicorn dashing up your driveway. The truth, as in most things, falls somewhere in the middle.
Are there metals I'd rather not inhale in my vapor? Probably. Not sure exactly how much, but more important not sure where they're coming from. If I knew that I'd be happy to lower my risk even more of it can be addressed without trashing my entire vape collection and vaping experience. So I'm not freaked out by it. I know the torches and pitchfork crowd will use it to toss out to scare the innocent. But I also would rather have it out in the open, not hidden away like some dark secret, because better to be upfront, better to address it if it's even a problem (and those levels sure don't sound like much of a problem other than where's that Ni coming from) and recognize that the medical community isn't so dense as to miss the positives even if there are potential negatives that may only be theoretical or may even be able to address without much muss or fuss if it reduces risk even further. For all the theoretical Diacetyl nonsense it still wasn't so terrible that flavor makers could come up with Diacetyl free flavorings for those who cared.
Knowledge is not bad. Testing for risks, even if theoretical or remote, isn't terrible. As always it's the use that matters. Use it for positive reasons like making a safer experience even more so to get more smokers off combustible tobacco. Maybe actually find some unclear risk no one ever thought of and a find a solution to it. Not the negative use of bashing somerhing with so much potential. But don't stop generating the information. Just stop using it out of context and for scare tactics instead of for helping get more smokers safely off of tobacco.
And that has to happen from the medical community itself, which it already is. Not every doctor out there is like that Dr. Whatever her lips opposite YouTube star Tommy Vapes in the debate from kindergarten on the news. Tommy no more represents me as a vaper as that Dr. Whoever represents the serious responsible medical community.
It's tough to not respond by lashing out in anger to this stuff. But doing so only helps the pitchfork crowd make us look like Frankenstein ( the monster or the doctor, that whole who's who in the movie gets confusing). Remaining calm and responding with fact rather than emotion is what will carry weight over the long term ( not "spokesvapers" like Tommy) Hopefully. If society really is sane.
If it's not sane, I guess none of it will really matter anyway when we all go extinct regardless how much we quit smoking and vape. It's almost scary enough to make you want to go out and have a smoke.
Tl;dr I really did get carried away. The metals are no biggie
I do listen to Heavy Metal while vaping on occasion. Metallica and blowing clouds while head banging are pretty common when nobody is home (the Mrs isn't a fan)
From a purely political perspective, you've gotta admit it works.
No. There is no such thing as "detoxing" in that sense.
Hang on a sec ... there is a heavy metal vape scare?!?
I thought that was in 2012
B S scare tactics don't have an expiration date, they just keep getting recycled.
I don't want my vape to turn me into a Satanist, that looks like well, like a terrible idea. I mean heavy metal, Dungeons and Dragons (it is so great to be a *girl* that likes that stuff) and nope, LOL still not a Satanist.
BTW at my work, I met a teen who may or may not have committed the WORST TEEN ACT OF VAPING of all time yet. I'm not saying what it is as a) I want to see if it gets to the news media, it might and b) if it doesn't, even in the most general terms I don't want it to hit the media. Etc. Teen vaping sin of epic proportions however.
I did want to take said teen around the back of the facility and murder it, but of course I remained professional. But maybe vaping IS turning me satanic because I don't even CARE one whit about teen vaping, but the act committed was so potentially cardinally evil toward the pursuit of vaping, I did think LONG and HARD about calling certain Agencies of Punishment, but you know, you can't. Not for a personal reason anyway. Plus: more exposure. Etc. Not that I WOULD not have called if it were appropriate.
It made it sort of easier to be outraged and pretend that OMG what a THING, the fact that I wished to sacrifice the to the Gods of Vaping. Because while it just was BAD ALL AROUND, like, it wasn't really a big deal. Just something the media folks would LOVE to get their hands on, I am CERTAIN.
It was really unfortunate. You just really shouldn't kill you clients, yo.
Anna
BTW at my work, I met a teen who may or may not have committed the WORST TEEN ACT OF VAPING of all time yet. I'm not saying what it is as a) I want to see if it gets to the news media, it might and b) if it doesn't, even in the most general terms I don't want it to hit the media. Etc. Teen vaping sin of epic proportions however.
I did want to take said teen around the back of the facility and murder it, but of course I remained professional. But maybe vaping IS turning me satanic because I don't even CARE one whit about teen vaping, but the act committed was so potentially cardinally evil toward the pursuit of vaping, I did think LONG and HARD about calling certain Agencies of Punishment, but you know, you can't. Not for a personal reason anyway. Plus: more exposure. Etc. Not that I WOULD not have called if it were appropriate.
It made it sort of easier to be outraged and pretend that OMG what a THING, the fact that I wished to sacrifice the to the Gods of Vaping. Because while it just was BAD ALL AROUND, like, it wasn't really a big deal. Just something the media folks would LOVE to get their hands on, I am CERTAIN.
It was really unfortunate. You just really shouldn't kill you clients, yo.
Anna
Jeezum crow, this is a tease of a post. "WORST TEEN ACT OF VAPING"? The mind reels (and wonders).
One of the Greatest and Most Effective tools when Promoting an Agenda based on FUD is the use of Unquantified Claims.
Think of how Powerful and Fear Invoking it is to say that there is the potential of inhaling "Lead and Cadmium" by using a certain type of e-Cigarettes?
Or something like this...
One of the Greatest and Most Effective tools when Promoting an Agenda based on FUD is the use of Unquantified Claims.
Think of how Powerful and Fear Invoking it is to say that there is the potential of inhaling "Lead and Cadmium" by using a certain type of e-Cigarettes?
Or something like this...
Anyone involved in creating, approving, or posting that should be drawn and quartered.
One of the Greatest and Most Effective tools when Promoting an Agenda based on FUD is the use of Unquantified Claims.
Think of how Powerful and Fear Invoking it is to say that there is the potential of inhaling "Lead and Cadmium" by using a certain type of e-Cigarettes?
Or something like this...
Someone once scolded my father for drinking a Coke by saying, "Don't you know they use that stuff to wash down the decks of ships!" His reply: "They also use water."
I love understated sarcastic wisdom wit.
I'm saving that line, it has a use in my life, I'm quite sure. Where and when yet to be decided. LOL.
Anna
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