diacetyl

[lukemacneil]

Good Morning,

Do any of the Tasty Vapor flavorings contain diacetyl?

A co worker of mine found this somewhere online, and it's a bit concerning.

Diacetyl and acetoin are two compounds that give butter its characteristic taste.
Because of this, manufacturers of margarines or similar oil-based products typically add diacetyl and acetoin (along with beta carotene for the yellow color) to make the final product butter-flavored, because it would otherwise be relatively tasteless.

The United States National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health has suggested that diacetyl,
when used in artificial butter flavoring (as used in many consumer foods), may be hazardous when heated and inhaled over a long period.
Workers in several factories that manufacture artificial butter flavoring have been diagnosed with bronchiolitis obliterans, a rare and serious disease of the lungs.
The cases found have been mainly in young, healthy, non-smoking males.
There are no known cures for bronchiolitis obliterans except for lung transplantation.




Just wanted to make sure all my TV flavors are safe.


Thanks,


Luke.

 

[jdg]

Yes, this diacetyl problem has been on my mind recently, also. I don't intend to vape for too many more months, but it still merits caution.

 

[whimzkool]

A valid concern that I've been meaning to ask about... and the very reason that I only indulge in the butter(y) flavors only occasionally. Though I do know it is in some other flavours as well.

 

[NightNurse]

Holy crap... did not know this... and I like the buttery flavors.

 

[Mr. Tasty Vapor]

Pay Attention here.

Tasty Vapor Does Not Use Diacetyl! We use Acetylpyrazine, where the recipe demands, that is all, it's a monster from the same family, but a completely different monster altogether.

As for whether Lorann's puts diacetyl in their products, is a questions Lorann's can answer and since they're not particularly forthcoming in divulging trade secrets about their flavorings, except what is printed on their labels, I don't know what to tell you there.

The ONLY flavor I think we carry from Lorann's that MIGHT use diacetyl is the Butter Flavoring. The "Scare" came from the heavy use of butter flavoring in microwave popcorn.

Since there was a HUGE recall in products that contained diacetyl, I'm sure Lorann's didn't want to recall a bunch of their products and have likely fallen into the "compliant" category and has refrained from using diacetyl.

I would also appreciate people trying not to stir up unfounded fears about my products. I'm not a crazy madman who's dumping tons of additives in my products. You'll find my ingredients quite simple, quite safe and always Tasty.

 

[lukemacneil]

I would also appreciate people trying not to stir up unfounded fears about my products. I'm not a crazy madman who's dumping tons of additives in my products. You'll find my ingredients quite simple, quite safe and always Tasty.

This certainly was not my intention, and I apologize if you took it as such.
You replied to me just as I was leaving work, and I just returned to this thread now to relay the information that I recieved.

I will make sure from now on that if I have a question like that I will go directly to the source before posting on a public forum. This was my own foolishness and for it, I apologize.

To add, I spent an hour or so researching Lorann, and everything that I found states that they do not use Diacetyl. Take that for what it's worth.

To add further, I looked up Acetylpyrazine and found this : http://www.pmintl-technical-product-information.com/global/downloads/ingredients/Acetylpyrazine.pdf

"...
While Philip Morris International has not conducted human studies on the health effects of ingredients used in cigarette manufacture, studies have been conducted using scientifically accepted in vitro and in vivo toxicity assays with various ingredient mixtures (see Toxicity Data on Burnt Material above). These studies show there is no meaningful difference in the composition or toxicity of smoke when the smoke from cigarettes with added ingredients is compared to the smoke from cigarettes without added ingredients. These findings are supported by similar studies from the published literature. It is our scientific judgment, based on the best available data, that acetylpyrazine used in our cigarettes does not increase the overall toxicity of cigarette smoke. "

 

[Belletrist]

btw--i wish i could find the post--but lorann's does NOT contain diacetyl. someone spoke to the owner of the company.

 

[BigJimW]

I'm not a crazy madman who's dumping tons of additives in my products.

Nope. Not at all.

I trust your judgment dude. I think the question should be asked to the Chinese liquid manufacturers though. This is one of the main reasons I am sticking with domestic suppliers that make their own, like TV.

 

[CaptJay]

I laughed so hard at 'Im not a crazy madman' that I directly inhaled on my PV instead of my usual method and been coughing for like ages
btw ppl - we used to smoke 4 thousand chemicals that I had no clue what any of them did - I mean ..come on..
*puffs on Butter rum feelin' happy*

 

[RIMP]

I laughed so hard at 'Im not a crazy madman' that I directly inhaled on my PV instead of my usual method and been coughing for like ages
btw ppl - we used to smoke 4 thousand chemicals that I had no clue what any of them did - I mean ..come on..
*puffs on Butter rum feelin' happy*

I concur
RIMP

 

[mcl5000]

I think that's the old, red, AF recipe in that dude's hands. It's smoking and everything! I wish my bottles of it would smoke when I opened it. That would be amazing.

 

[Belletrist]

isn't it enough that you exhale vapor from it?

 

[whimzkool]

Thanks Geoff! Never thought that you, yourself, would personally add it. So thanks for laying that to rest.
I called Lorann's and spoke with CS rep "Martha" who said none of the Lorann's have diacetyl.
I'll vape to that... raising my PV loaded w/ Tasty Finger as we speak!

 

[davecury]

This is the kind of queston you should ask the supplier (in a PM). If,( after talking back and forth), you still have a REAL consern, you should think about posting it.
You don't mess with a mans income over a misunderstanding.

 

[NightNurse]

This is the kind of queston you should ask the supplier (in a PM). If,( after talking back and forth), you still have a REAL consern, you should think about posting it.
You don't mess with a mans income over a misunderstanding.

I kind of agree with this, but at the same time I'm glad that the question was asked publicly so that Geoff was able to respond publicly just in case anyone else was wondering the same thing.

I too find it ironic that we would worry about something like that (although it is serious) after smoking analogs while knowing about all the toxins that are contained in them. Perhaps Geoff could put a disclaimer on his website stating that his products are free from that chemical, just so everyone knows when they visit (not everyone will read/see this thread).

Thank you Geoff for your response, and a GREAT product!

 

[BigJimW]

I kind of agree with this, but at the same time I'm glad that the question was asked publicly so that Geoff was able to respond publicly just in case anyone else was wondering the same thing.

You hit the nail 100%.

My concerns now is do they manufactuer this in a facility that processes peanuts?

 

[Data4]

You hit the nail 100%.

My concerns now is do they manufactuer this in a facility that processes peanuts?

I think it was a package of airline peanuts where I read the very helpful warning that the product contained therein was packaged in a facility that packages peanuts.

I mean, no ...., right?

 

[lukemacneil]

This is the kind of queston you should ask the supplier (in a PM). If,( after talking back and forth), you still have a REAL consern, you should think about posting it.
You don't mess with a mans income over a misunderstanding.

No. It isn't.

There was no misunderstanding. There was a question. That's all. Not an accusation.I wasn't messing with anyone's income, and I'm genuinely offended that I feel like I need to justify my action.

At first I agreed, thought maybe I was wrong, and apologized. Now I stand beside my question and my right as a consumer to ask it in whatever forum I please.

This is the sort of question, the answer to which should be gladly made publicly available. Period. I retract my previous apology, because it was a valid, IMPORTANT question pertaining to my own, and the public's health. I was not wrong to ask it here.

Now nobody has to worry about it.

 

[GiMante]

No. It isn't.

There was no misunderstanding. There was a question. That's all. Not an accusation.I wasn't messing with anyone's income, and I'm genuinely offended that I feel like I need to justify my action.

At first I agreed, thought maybe I was wrong, and apologized. Now I stand beside my question and my right as a consumer to ask it in whatever forum I please.

This is the sort of question, the answer to which should be gladly made publicly available. Period. I retract my previous apology, because it was a valid, IMPORTANT question pertaining to my own, and the public's health. I was not wrong to ask it here.

Now nobody has to worry about it.

I completely agree with you. It is a valid question.

 

[markimar]

Geoff is always looking out for the health and safety of his loyal minion!
He would never deliberately put something bad in his juice!