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First night of vaping and got 962mAh on an eFest 18500 ("1000mAh") and 1008mAh on an AW IMR 18490. Not too shabby. Haven't done TC yet -- will do that after my trip out of town this week/end.
Love the mod. Vapes better than both Provaris (both which sometimes gave one of my coils a whine!). Not heavy at all in 18490x1 mode. Less slippery, too. 510 connector is beefy and perfect, too.
Not sure I even need to bother with 18650 mode, to be honest, but I am interested in 18350x2 mode.
Love the mod. Vapes better than both Provaris (both which sometimes gave one of my coils a whine!). Not heavy at all in 18490x1 mode. Less slippery, too. 510 connector is beefy and perfect, too.
Not sure I even need to bother with 18650 mode, to be honest, but I am interested in 18350x2 mode.
So, my Unkeman 24 and 26 arrived today, what is everyone's experience with Ti on the 2380/ext v2?
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Ti and Resistherm are working like a champ, vaping a Ti 26g build right now. I'm using Coeff 350 for Ti and 320 for Resistherm. There's some quetion mark over the Ti Coeff value, most places say 350 but some 380. I've not done formal measurements yet but 350 is working nicely - 215°C to 230°C depending on build and atty.
You are liking the Resistherm too? Maybe I'll try it out first, then toss Ti in another atty afterwards
How are you building on both...spaced or micro? Pulse or torch? I've haven't heard anything about whether or not you should micro or pulse Resistherm
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All info in TC beyond Ni200: Nickel Purity, Dicodes; Ti, SS, Resistherm NiFe30; Coefficient of Resistance !
Actually not much Ti info there yet, check the main Ti thread for that. I've posted several times about Resistherm in the above thread, main update with techniques is this post.
Actually not much Ti info there yet, check the main Ti thread for that. I've posted several times about Resistherm in the above thread, main update with techniques is this post.
Guys I've had an odd problem on the 2380 re TC with one build. I haven't noticed it before so it appears to be specific to this build, but I need to do further testing. Posting now so you can be on the look out.
I have a Titanium build in which is reading 0.47Ω at rest. However, as soon as I do TempCal Init to calibrate it, then check resistance again, it shows 0.49Ω / 20°C. The resistance then slowly lowers back down to 0.47°C - if I keep checking resistance ever few seconds, I can see it move from 0.49°C to 0.48°C to 0.47°C. The problem this causes is it's showing 20°C at 0.49°C, not 0.47°C, so once it has reached 0.47°C again, it now thinks it's at anywhere from 3°C to 10°C !
A simple workaround is to set my target temperature about 15°C higher than I want it. But of course this should not be happening.
There's a second strangeness which could well be related, and has already been noted by @ndb70 in the past. Quite often when I calibrate and check temperature, the temp is not 20°C as the manual says it should be. Instead, it's around 23°C - but I have also seen as high as 26°C.
If I keep re-checking temp for a minute or two, it will gradually lower down to 21°C or 20°C.
I just tested a second Ti build, to see if I could re-create the problem described at the top of this post. I could not, but it did readily show the 23°C issue. 0.31Ω Ti build, I put it on the 2380 and check resistance a number of times to confirm it's stable at 0.31Ω. Then I Init, and check resistance/temp - it shows 0.31Ω still, but also 23°C. I keep checking Res/Temp and 0.31°C does not change, but the temp lowers slowly to 21°C after a minute or two.
All I can think here is that when you do Init, it is pulsing the coil very slightly. Enough to push its temperature up very slightly. Why it is doing that I have no idea. I think in the case of the first build mentioned, 0.47Ω, there's something weird with the build that's causing it to jump in resistance by 0.02Ω when it has that little pulse and that's throwing out the temp sensing completely.
I'm wondering if this pulse is meant to be about getting TC more accurate - it measures the base resistance, then it sends a tiny pulse to the coil, enough to increase the resistance by a few 0.001s - too little to be shown on the two-digit decimal resistance reading. It does this to.. I don't know, use the coefficient to calibrate what 1°C means for resistance rise? I'm really not sure why it would need to do that, it can just assume current resistance = 20°C and then use the coefficient to predict future temperatures.
The manual indicates that calibration will always be done for 20°C, and even says "if after calibration it doesn't show 20°C, do it again." It says nothing about it pulsing the coil - either in the manual or in the Application Note.
Update: I had taken the 0.47Ω build off the 2380 and put it on my SXK, checked it vaped Ok there, then put it back on the 2380. Now it's back on the 2380 I repeated the Init, and the problem was present again but not nearly so badly - This time, after Init it initially showed 24°C and that quickly settled to 20°C, was at 19°C for a couple of minutes, and is now at 18°C. This time rather than rising from 0.47Ω to 0.49Ω, it showed as 0.48Ω / 24°C and now shows either 0.47Ω / 18°C or 0.47Ω / 19°C.
Very odd. Tomorrow I will see if I can probe an atty with my DMM to see if it applies a voltage when calibrating.
I have a Titanium build in which is reading 0.47Ω at rest. However, as soon as I do TempCal Init to calibrate it, then check resistance again, it shows 0.49Ω / 20°C. The resistance then slowly lowers back down to 0.47°C - if I keep checking resistance ever few seconds, I can see it move from 0.49°C to 0.48°C to 0.47°C. The problem this causes is it's showing 20°C at 0.49°C, not 0.47°C, so once it has reached 0.47°C again, it now thinks it's at anywhere from 3°C to 10°C !
A simple workaround is to set my target temperature about 15°C higher than I want it. But of course this should not be happening.
There's a second strangeness which could well be related, and has already been noted by @ndb70 in the past. Quite often when I calibrate and check temperature, the temp is not 20°C as the manual says it should be. Instead, it's around 23°C - but I have also seen as high as 26°C.
If I keep re-checking temp for a minute or two, it will gradually lower down to 21°C or 20°C.
I just tested a second Ti build, to see if I could re-create the problem described at the top of this post. I could not, but it did readily show the 23°C issue. 0.31Ω Ti build, I put it on the 2380 and check resistance a number of times to confirm it's stable at 0.31Ω. Then I Init, and check resistance/temp - it shows 0.31Ω still, but also 23°C. I keep checking Res/Temp and 0.31°C does not change, but the temp lowers slowly to 21°C after a minute or two.
All I can think here is that when you do Init, it is pulsing the coil very slightly. Enough to push its temperature up very slightly. Why it is doing that I have no idea. I think in the case of the first build mentioned, 0.47Ω, there's something weird with the build that's causing it to jump in resistance by 0.02Ω when it has that little pulse and that's throwing out the temp sensing completely.
I'm wondering if this pulse is meant to be about getting TC more accurate - it measures the base resistance, then it sends a tiny pulse to the coil, enough to increase the resistance by a few 0.001s - too little to be shown on the two-digit decimal resistance reading. It does this to.. I don't know, use the coefficient to calibrate what 1°C means for resistance rise? I'm really not sure why it would need to do that, it can just assume current resistance = 20°C and then use the coefficient to predict future temperatures.
The manual indicates that calibration will always be done for 20°C, and even says "if after calibration it doesn't show 20°C, do it again." It says nothing about it pulsing the coil - either in the manual or in the Application Note.
Update: I had taken the 0.47Ω build off the 2380 and put it on my SXK, checked it vaped Ok there, then put it back on the 2380. Now it's back on the 2380 I repeated the Init, and the problem was present again but not nearly so badly - This time, after Init it initially showed 24°C and that quickly settled to 20°C, was at 19°C for a couple of minutes, and is now at 18°C. This time rather than rising from 0.47Ω to 0.49Ω, it showed as 0.48Ω / 24°C and now shows either 0.47Ω / 18°C or 0.47Ω / 19°C.
Very odd. Tomorrow I will see if I can probe an atty with my DMM to see if it applies a voltage when calibrating.
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apparently there is a postal strike in germany so my dicodes 2830 is still with its maker...
sucks...Strike action is 'indefinite' at least at the moment....why me?!?!
sucks...Strike action is 'indefinite' at least at the moment....why me?!?!
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apparently there is a postal strike in germany so my dicodes 2830 is still with its maker...
That sucks man. Can't he use a different courier?
he cant get a delivery from Dicodes. I guess he will have to find a workaround at some point if it continues. A bigger problem is that a lot of european postal traffic goes through a hub in germany but I dont know if the deutsche post strike affects that also! I thoiugh they didnt strike in germany - very inefficient...
Oh jeez yeah Deutsche Post faced with indefinite strike | Business | DW.DE | 08.06.2015
Sorry man you're having no luck with this. What about getting a refund and ordering elsewhere? Somewhere must have them in stock. UK ECig are still out and presumably will not get new deliveries either, but surely not everywhere will be sold out. A saw a site in France selling them for about the same price, not sure on postage costs.
Though to be honest I don't understand why Dicodes couldn't use a different courier. Not DHL as they're Deutsche Post as well, but there must be loads of others. Unless shipments are already in Deutsche's hands and so are stuck.
Sorry man you're having no luck with this. What about getting a refund and ordering elsewhere? Somewhere must have them in stock. UK ECig are still out and presumably will not get new deliveries either, but surely not everywhere will be sold out. A saw a site in France selling them for about the same price, not sure on postage costs.
Though to be honest I don't understand why Dicodes couldn't use a different courier. Not DHL as they're Deutsche Post as well, but there must be loads of others. Unless shipments are already in Deutsche's hands and so are stuck.
I suspect they are already in the hands of DP. Its ok. I have plenty of toys to play with I guess....can I uncross my fingers now...I did have a quick look around and there isnt much stock available anywhere. I guess is if turns up with the F bug fixed then I'll be happy but I still think that is unlikely...they are german though and it is preseumably a quick fix to the code and reflash...hope springs eternal..
More battery findings: For the first time I've done 2x350, starting last night and finishing today.
I got 1266mAh out of the 2x800mah batteries. As predicted in the Dicodes manual, two in series gives more than either one alone, because the voltage drop is halved per battery.
There's a good chance that 2x350 will become a standard mode for me, if having only 1250mah doesn't become too limiting - though it's not too bad. The reason is that it allows up to 80W.
Steve you asked "why would you need 80W???????????" - I may be exaggerating the number of question marks, though not by much
Actually I've just realised there is a very good reason. Pre-heat. Put it at a high wattage, right up to 80W, in TC mode and you're in effect replicating DNA40-style pre-heat, but at a wattage that's controllable by you. The mod starts firing 80W but backs it off as quickly as required to maintain the desired temperature.
I've been trying it today and it feels pretty good.
It's a bit of a shame that Dicodes saw fit to limit this to dual-battery mode only. They've hardcoded the mod to a maximum of 15A, and disallowed >40W with single battery. My current build is 0.47Ω which @ 80W is only pulling 13A - pretty much any single 18650 I might use can do that. I know why they did it - because the mod can also take 1x350 and they don't want someone trying to put too much through it. But that could have been solved with a configuration option "max amps". I don't know if maybe that's hard to implement, maybe the amp limit is enforced at a very low level, hard to have configurable.
Anyway, it is what it is. 80W is only possible with builds of 0.40Ω and above (15A limit), so that's a good target for a minimum resistance. Easy to achieve with Ti and Stainless single coil, though Resistherm may well drop below that, and all of them will in dual coil mode. And dual battery is recommended so you can get that 80W in the first place.
I don't know if I'll ever do 2x18650 because of how crazy long it is. What I've got in now is 2x18490 - they came this morning. This could well give me up to about 2000mah which is the same as 1x18650, only 33mm longer, and enables 80W. Quite a good compromise all round I'd say.
Oh, and a small piece of good news for me - that €19 I paid for the second 18650 tube has paid off in a small but unexpected way. The second 18650 tube works for 2x490 as well - I can do 2x490 with just that second tube (total: mod top + second 650 tube + mod base), whereas without that tube it requires two of the standard tubes to achieve this length. A pretty minor benefit but I have to look for some silver lining to paying an extra €19
I got 1266mAh out of the 2x800mah batteries. As predicted in the Dicodes manual, two in series gives more than either one alone, because the voltage drop is halved per battery.
There's a good chance that 2x350 will become a standard mode for me, if having only 1250mah doesn't become too limiting - though it's not too bad. The reason is that it allows up to 80W.
Steve you asked "why would you need 80W???????????" - I may be exaggerating the number of question marks, though not by much
Actually I've just realised there is a very good reason. Pre-heat. Put it at a high wattage, right up to 80W, in TC mode and you're in effect replicating DNA40-style pre-heat, but at a wattage that's controllable by you. The mod starts firing 80W but backs it off as quickly as required to maintain the desired temperature.
I've been trying it today and it feels pretty good.
It's a bit of a shame that Dicodes saw fit to limit this to dual-battery mode only. They've hardcoded the mod to a maximum of 15A, and disallowed >40W with single battery. My current build is 0.47Ω which @ 80W is only pulling 13A - pretty much any single 18650 I might use can do that. I know why they did it - because the mod can also take 1x350 and they don't want someone trying to put too much through it. But that could have been solved with a configuration option "max amps". I don't know if maybe that's hard to implement, maybe the amp limit is enforced at a very low level, hard to have configurable.
Anyway, it is what it is. 80W is only possible with builds of 0.40Ω and above (15A limit), so that's a good target for a minimum resistance. Easy to achieve with Ti and Stainless single coil, though Resistherm may well drop below that, and all of them will in dual coil mode. And dual battery is recommended so you can get that 80W in the first place.
I don't know if I'll ever do 2x18650 because of how crazy long it is. What I've got in now is 2x18490 - they came this morning. This could well give me up to about 2000mah which is the same as 1x18650, only 33mm longer, and enables 80W. Quite a good compromise all round I'd say.
Oh, and a small piece of good news for me - that €19 I paid for the second 18650 tube has paid off in a small but unexpected way. The second 18650 tube works for 2x490 as well - I can do 2x490 with just that second tube (total: mod top + second 650 tube + mod base), whereas without that tube it requires two of the standard tubes to achieve this length. A pretty minor benefit but I have to look for some silver lining to paying an extra €19
nice one. I hadnt thought about the preheat effect so that is really something to play with if i ever get one...lol! I am also thginking about the extra tube for 2x18650. I know I will want it at some point so I am rationlising it as a saving on postage! Logical right? Just say yes...
nice one. I hadnt thought about the preheat effect so that is really something to play with if i ever get one...lol! I am also thginking about the extra tube for 2x18650. I know I will want it at some point so I am rationlising it as a saving on postage! Logical right? Just say yes...
The other option is to get the 2380T. Actually, we can resolve this most simply.
Here is the 2380T in 2x650 vs the 2380 in 2x650 (first picture courtesy of @IanDVaypes - I cropped it out of his size comparison)
I would say the 2380 looks better because it's a single width, rather than having the telescope-y middle. Only you can decide if that's worth €19 extra
Though, looking through Ian's photos, it looks like 2x650 is the only mode in which you see that slimmer telescope middle - all his other photos, showing all modes - 350 x1, 350 x2, 490 x1, 490 x2, 650 x1 - looked same as mine does, same width all the way down. So this difference won't be noticeable except when you're in "baseball bat" mode!- Status
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