I thought they were the same thing, but I've realized that isn't the case. I just don't understand the difference.
Could someone explain to me?
Could someone explain to me?
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read this first.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ed-questions-about-electronic-cigarettes.html
Short answer is...
A mechanical mod is a certain category of Advanced Personal Vaporizer (APV) devices.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ed-questions-about-electronic-cigarettes.html
Short answer is...
A mechanical mod is a certain category of Advanced Personal Vaporizer (APV) devices.
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I've read that, and i don't see anything that answers my question. I'll take another look though
My mechanical mod/APV has no wires, no circuit boards, nothing. The only way i can adjust my vape is by making coils for it i like. It is an APV.
Most APVs have some of the above and can electronically adjust your vape to your liking. They are all 'big battery' mods, which means they are not egos and cig-a-likes.
so - an APV is a big battery mod, with or without electronics and so on. The point being - i hate changing batteries every 30 minutes!
T
Most APVs have some of the above and can electronically adjust your vape to your liking. They are all 'big battery' mods, which means they are not egos and cig-a-likes.
so - an APV is a big battery mod, with or without electronics and so on. The point being - i hate changing batteries every 30 minutes!
T
Can't agree. Or maybe we just understand the term differently.
The lack of electronics prevents a mech from being called an APV. There's nothing "advanced" about it from an electronics standpoint...no voltage readout...no built in ohm meter, no adjustable voltage, etc.
And the mech fans extol the virtues of this as being "less to break" and "tough as a tank" and "Zen simple". A mech is more Anti-APV than anything else. Kind of a "get all that stuff out of my way" attitude.
And both have their good points and bad points. Depends on what you like.
The lack of electronics prevents a mech from being called an APV. There's nothing "advanced" about it from an electronics standpoint...no voltage readout...no built in ohm meter, no adjustable voltage, etc.
And the mech fans extol the virtues of this as being "less to break" and "tough as a tank" and "Zen simple". A mech is more Anti-APV than anything else. Kind of a "get all that stuff out of my way" attitude.
And both have their good points and bad points. Depends on what you like.
I always considered an APV something with a removable battery (not an ego, KR808, 510). Anything beyond the standard- it's an advanced PV (or what used to the the standard PV).
This isn't an official definition, just my interpretation. But with all the new hardware coming out, lines are pretty blurred.
This isn't an official definition, just my interpretation. But with all the new hardware coming out, lines are pretty blurred.
We became "Advanced" with the mods that use more powerful, replaceable batteries...beyond the 510's, 808's and eGos.
took me a bit to find it...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/apv-discussion/284602-name-change-mods-apvs.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/apv-discussion/284602-name-change-mods-apvs.html
IMO, Advanced Personal Vaporizer (APV) is a term not worth using because there's so much confusion as to what it encompasses. Again, IMO, it's better to use the term "mod" to indicate a PV with replaceable battery in contrast to "battery" to indicate something like an eGo with a non-replaceable battery, and it's better to use the term, "regulated" in contrast to "mechanical" when differentiating these two kinds of what are usually mods. YMMV
eta: classwife beat me with a history lesson...
eta: classwife beat me with a history lesson...
Rats.
I checked the InfoZone before posting that too:
(From the New e-cig users->which e-cig? area)
I always considered mechs to be in the "Zen...keep it minimal/simple not advanced" category. So who knows.
According to what you are saying it's ....anything other than a super-mini...or any swappable battery system.
What about a Twist type of thing with voltage readout?....VV and readout but not swappable?
I checked the InfoZone before posting that too:
(From the New e-cig users->which e-cig? area)
I always considered mechs to be in the "Zen...keep it minimal/simple not advanced" category. So who knows.
According to what you are saying it's ....anything other than a super-mini...or any swappable battery system.
What about a Twist type of thing with voltage readout?....VV and readout but not swappable?
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In the context I've seen it used, I've also always thought of an APV as something with a replaceable battery. Then it breaks down further into mechanical and regulated APV's. However, I see where you're coming from Atty. With all the devices out there today, the separation between the device categories are a bit blurry.
I've read so many posts by people saying "When the zombie apocalypse hits...I want to be able to fix my PV...a mech just needs a new screw on the button for contact."
OTOH...I know many mechs are considered high end PVs and priced that way. So excluding them from APV was in no way meant as an insult. However, if you draw a line at price rather than feature set, that gets even crazier.
I guess I think of mech as it's own category. Every other category of non-mech PV has electronics in it (like for low battery cut off) APV or cig-a-like or eGo (if that's a category in itself).
Sigh. IDK.
OTOH...I know many mechs are considered high end PVs and priced that way. So excluding them from APV was in no way meant as an insult. However, if you draw a line at price rather than feature set, that gets even crazier.
I guess I think of mech as it's own category. Every other category of non-mech PV has electronics in it (like for low battery cut off) APV or cig-a-like or eGo (if that's a category in itself).
Sigh. IDK.
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Wow, this drew more conversation than i thought it would. Thank you for your responses everyone it makes a lot more sense now.
The brick and mortar vape store near me suggested a high drain APV for dripping, but my friend is always talking about how they keep talking to him about mechanicals.
Just wanted to clear this up..
Sounds like I'm going to stick to an APV then. I like the idea of replaceable batteries.
The brick and mortar vape store near me suggested a high drain APV for dripping, but my friend is always talking about how they keep talking to him about mechanicals.
Just wanted to clear this up..
Sounds like I'm going to stick to an APV then. I like the idea of replaceable batteries.
Basically the terminology is wrong. And that's only because we can't predict the future. Terminology has to evolve too.
If I were to build a logic tree for PV types...I would start with "has electronics?" yes/no branches. So all mech mods would be on one branch and all the other mods on another branch including cig-a-likes. The next branch on the electronics sub-tree would be "removable battery?" yes/no?
Remember that size, mAh and shape are just a matter of current battery technology. So referring to "big battery" is doomed in a future where battery tech is 10x better. It's perfectly possible to imagine a cig-a-like with what is now a 1000 mAh battery ...AKA...eGo cig-a-like at 3.3/3.4 volts and 1000 mAh all in super-mini size. We just need new battery tech. (could be swappable too).
So it's the feature set that has to distinguish. And "having a removable battery" is so common...in everything from watches to whatever, that I don't see it as the first branch. Every PV style has a version with a removable battery...with the possible exception of cig-a-likes. So I don't see it as the first defining characteristic.
Glad to know my watch is advanced....just because I can change the battery.
Watch types are...mechanical or digital as a first category. The mechanical ones you wind. The digital ones have electronics and a battery.
We even jokingly call cigarettes "analogs". Yet a Mech has no "digital" anything unless there's a protection PCB on the battery.
Nah. To me, the 1st defining characteristic is the fact that there is a processor of some type. Because that has broad implications as to all the next choices.
If I were to build a logic tree for PV types...I would start with "has electronics?" yes/no branches. So all mech mods would be on one branch and all the other mods on another branch including cig-a-likes. The next branch on the electronics sub-tree would be "removable battery?" yes/no?
Remember that size, mAh and shape are just a matter of current battery technology. So referring to "big battery" is doomed in a future where battery tech is 10x better. It's perfectly possible to imagine a cig-a-like with what is now a 1000 mAh battery ...AKA...eGo cig-a-like at 3.3/3.4 volts and 1000 mAh all in super-mini size. We just need new battery tech. (could be swappable too).
So it's the feature set that has to distinguish. And "having a removable battery" is so common...in everything from watches to whatever, that I don't see it as the first branch. Every PV style has a version with a removable battery...with the possible exception of cig-a-likes. So I don't see it as the first defining characteristic.
Glad to know my watch is advanced....just because I can change the battery.
Watch types are...mechanical or digital as a first category. The mechanical ones you wind. The digital ones have electronics and a battery.
We even jokingly call cigarettes "analogs". Yet a Mech has no "digital" anything unless there's a protection PCB on the battery.
Nah. To me, the 1st defining characteristic is the fact that there is a processor of some type. Because that has broad implications as to all the next choices.
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That's a feature matrix, sure. But not a decision tree.
If you're making a decision as to "What should I buy?" how do you navigate the matrix, Neo?
Besides, you still have to have other branches...like ....rechargeable vs disposable then under rechargeable you have removable vs not.
If you're making a decision as to "What should I buy?" how do you navigate the matrix, Neo?
Besides, you still have to have other branches...like ....rechargeable vs disposable then under rechargeable you have removable vs not.
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