everyone's budget is different,,,,,,,and for the $$, the Vamo is a great option! I know I'm saving my pennies for a Provari, but there's a Vamo decomposing in HK for me too until then LOL
Differences between a Vamo 3 and a Provari
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everyone's budget is different,,,,,,,and for the $$, the Vamo is a great option! I know I'm saving my pennies for a Provari, but there's a Vamo decomposing in HK for me too until then LOL
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I vote for Vamari,,,,,,,,,,
If it still works, why don't you wrap it? J-Wrap and Vapor Skinz aren't very expensive.
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having my money stay in MY wallet is better lol
all my friends tell me how great it is being married, but look so jealous when im heading out to have fun on friday night................. never understood why
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I am sure there are upsides to marriage, and I just fail to see them due to my emotionally stunted nature and that is all well and good. But I swear it seems to me that well over half of the married couples I know are not all that happy, and many are downright miserable. Of course many of them "don't believe in divorce".
Ugh. I don't believe in cheating myself out of any portion of my life.
Im just worried though as soon as I pull the trigger on the Provari then the FDA will really screw things up! Now I love to vape but Im at the point where I really don't have to vape I just want to. But if they start raising the prices of the juice where its just as or more expensive then smoking then I will quit.
Don't allow those punks at the FDA to put your life on hold. Get your ProVari. Join the fight to stop those Statist gutless bureaucrats.
In my opinion, the answer to that question from the pic is "No". Let them prove otherwise. Get a ProVari.
So it seems like everyone basically agrees that the Provari is hands down the better mod. The price difference is where the debate comes in.
Sounds like comparing new cars to used cars. New cars are hands down better than old cars (classics not included in this analogy) but with a new car being 10 times the price of a used car (depending on how used it is of course) maybe you'll put up with the little (or big) problems here and there to get a cheaper option.
Sounds like comparing new cars to used cars. New cars are hands down better than old cars (classics not included in this analogy) but with a new car being 10 times the price of a used car (depending on how used it is of course) maybe you'll put up with the little (or big) problems here and there to get a cheaper option.
I'm hoping that some wraps are chatchka's at the Vape Expo. If not I'll probably buy one for it.
Hey Darth, from personal experience, wbart is absolutely right to warn you against eminent battle when discussing the Provari. (see: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/468145-provari-vv-vw.html ) The Provari's extremely loyal following is not just some fly by night happening or fad. It was earned and time tested. The Provari is built to military specs and is possibly the most rugged and dependable PVD available. As I have learned (or been "schooled" actually), the Provari does just about everything you want; it's just the way you look at it. VV and VW are two different ways (or measurement) of looking at the same thing: output to the topper (atty, carto, etc.). And, as the Provari advocates have so graciously pointed out to me, once you get familiar with Ohm's Law, you'll see that they are both increasing or decreasing the voltage output as you select your setting. The Provari advocates (and I know I'm going to open a can of worms here!) are more inclined to think this redundancy (vv/vw vs. vv) is unnecessary. The Provari does what it is suppose to do, and hands down, does it better than anything else currently available.
That being said, the Vamo tends to be a well built mod for the "PRICE POINT". It does have noted problems in the AVP Vamo thread. Typically dealing with the center pin and battery configuration. I've also noticed that many have experienced that it is not as "drop test" friendly as the Provari. It does have some more bells and whistles to play with, but as already noted, this could be considered by some to be redundancies and unnecessary. The Vamo is touted to be a really good, cheap, mod for getting started in AVP's, and I tend to agree. But the Provari advocates will tell you that after replacing 3-4 cheaper mods (like the Vamo), you'll finally come to the conclusion that it's time to put your "big boy" pants on and just get the Provari. But by that time, you could have already bought the Provari with the money you spent on the cheaper mods that didn't hold up.
If I got anything wrong in this post, please let me know (because I know the Provari folks will!), but I think that sums up the major differences.
LMFAO! Man I'm roll'n on this one!
Thank you for just making my long grave yard shift!
The V3 fixed the thin finish problem. I've held the V2 and own a V3, and the feel of the finish is definitely different. I've been sliding it in and out of a 7/8" hole in a wooden stand I made and there are no scratches on either battery compartment or the end cap. I've also knocked it around on the desk and the kitchen counter and it has nothing but the tiniest of scratches. It's still in pretty much "as new" condition since it's been in service (August 10).
I like the Vamo V3 so much I ordered another one. It's currently on that slow boat from China.
A colleague of mine in Houston owns two ProVaris and loves them. I tried his mini and really liked it a lot. You can tell it's a device of very high quality materials and workmanship. I completely understand why it has such a dedicated following. If someone has the means and can justify the difference in price, I say go the ProVape route.
If someone just wants to put their toes in the APV water and test it out, or if they are budget constrained, the Vamo V3 is hard to beat.
Me? I'm waiting for a clone to hit FastTech.
I like this analogy. I had one little car I paid $1100 for, and drove it for 4 years with only putting maybe $500 into repairs (I have a mechanic buddy) before it totally died. My current car is a $3200 beater, and is going on three years. It gets me from point A to point B. No car payment, liability only insurance. I'd rather have the car payment/insurance costs to spend on my other toys- my money-sucking show horses.
I figure my disposable ego type batteries are the same way. If one breaks or I lose it, it's no big deal. While I'd love a Provari for it's reputed indestructibility, when I get a mod it'll probably be a Vamo, since I don't see myself learning how to build my own anytime soon.
I don't think it's really fair to try and compare a Vamo to a Provari. I only have a Vamo 3, no Provari, so I can't really say from experience, only testimonials. But, it's clear they are two different price points. like someone said, a Chevy and a Porsche. But a 1990 Porsche.
I'm sure I'll eventually get one. But for now, I'm content to obtain a nice variety of cheap Chinese VV/VW devices. Plus some cheap mech mod clones. Although my first Mech Mod was an expensive ($266) Atom/Nemises combo from a local shop. Didn't know any better at the time. No use crying about it now.
In my opinion, what turned me off to Provari is the way they price their product, and what seems like a stubbornness vis-à-vis updating to modern/current (no pun intended) times. They seem stuck in the past. Like they think because of their loyal following they don't really have to do anything to compete.
And I'm not talking about the total cost of their product. If they said, OK here's our product, the price is $200. And then they said, here's your choices of color, finish, display, configuration, etc. That would be fine. But no.
~ You don't want a red LED display that went out of style in the 80's and that nobody is going to want, that'll be extra.
~ You want an extension cap so you can use the most popular and widespread batteries for mods, that'll be extra.
~ You want anything but the oldest and plainest finish, that'll be extra.
It's called getting nickel and dimed, and it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Then there's the lack of VW. They make a big deal about how they had their electronics designed and built to MIL specs. So what's stopping them from redesigning them? You can't design VW to MIL specs? Are they just going to stick with this outdated design forever? And about that display. Are they not modernizing it because it wouldn't be as rugged?
I don't see these questions as being trivial nit-picking. I think they're valid questions. I respect the fans, and the fact it's made in the US, and I actually still want one, eventually. But US car companies were forced to improve their product because of foreign competition. We all benefited for it. I think it's time Provari did the same.
best regards, larry mac
I'm sure I'll eventually get one. But for now, I'm content to obtain a nice variety of cheap Chinese VV/VW devices. Plus some cheap mech mod clones. Although my first Mech Mod was an expensive ($266) Atom/Nemises combo from a local shop. Didn't know any better at the time. No use crying about it now.
In my opinion, what turned me off to Provari is the way they price their product, and what seems like a stubbornness vis-à-vis updating to modern/current (no pun intended) times. They seem stuck in the past. Like they think because of their loyal following they don't really have to do anything to compete.
And I'm not talking about the total cost of their product. If they said, OK here's our product, the price is $200. And then they said, here's your choices of color, finish, display, configuration, etc. That would be fine. But no.
~ You don't want a red LED display that went out of style in the 80's and that nobody is going to want, that'll be extra.
~ You want an extension cap so you can use the most popular and widespread batteries for mods, that'll be extra.
~ You want anything but the oldest and plainest finish, that'll be extra.
It's called getting nickel and dimed, and it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Then there's the lack of VW. They make a big deal about how they had their electronics designed and built to MIL specs. So what's stopping them from redesigning them? You can't design VW to MIL specs? Are they just going to stick with this outdated design forever? And about that display. Are they not modernizing it because it wouldn't be as rugged?
I don't see these questions as being trivial nit-picking. I think they're valid questions. I respect the fans, and the fact it's made in the US, and I actually still want one, eventually. But US car companies were forced to improve their product because of foreign competition. We all benefited for it. I think it's time Provari did the same.
best regards, larry mac
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The Provari is not for everyone, I wouldn't change a single thing about mine.
I like everything about the display, the red is easy to see in bright sunlight & easy to see with my old eyes in any condition.
I don't want or need an extension 18490's serve me well and are just as easy to find as any other APV/mod battery.
I paid 0 extra for the finish I wanted.
The price of a Provari is cheap to me, less than what I spent on two weeks worth of cigarettes when I smoked.
Sure there are less expensive APV's, IMO you get what you pay for.
If you want a cheap APV there are dozens to choose from, no one is twisting your arm / forcing you to buy a Provari.
I've owned and used almost all of the VW devices available, for me there is exactly zero benefit of any kind using vw.
I like everything about the display, the red is easy to see in bright sunlight & easy to see with my old eyes in any condition.
I don't want or need an extension 18490's serve me well and are just as easy to find as any other APV/mod battery.
I paid 0 extra for the finish I wanted.
The price of a Provari is cheap to me, less than what I spent on two weeks worth of cigarettes when I smoked.
Sure there are less expensive APV's, IMO you get what you pay for.
If you want a cheap APV there are dozens to choose from, no one is twisting your arm / forcing you to buy a Provari.
I've owned and used almost all of the VW devices available, for me there is exactly zero benefit of any kind using vw.
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Let me address the points you made, if I may?
A basic Provari (mod only) is $159, not $200. Many customers already have a charger and the batteries needed, so a kit is not always necessary.
Provape outsources the colored bodies to another company to apply the karocote paint finish, and this costs Provape $20 for this service. Provape charges only those customers the extra $20 to those who desire a colored Provari. This keeps the cost of a basic silver finish Provari reasonably affordable to those who are on a tight budget, instead of charging $179 for EVERY Provari. Do you really expect Provape to eat the cost of the paint service?
Provape has to spend $15 additional to their supplier for the blue and green LED displays. Again, this additional cost is passed on only to the customer who wants those colors. The LED display that Provape uses is actually a more durable display than an OLED display that some people clamor for; and Provape has always been more about durability and function over aesthetics.
The $25 charge for the battery extension cap is pretty much standard for add-on attachments. AltSmoke charges $25 for their Kick extension sleeve for their Silver Bullet; I don't hear of people complaining about that. And...not everyone wants the extension cap, some prefer using a shorter mod.
The vast majority of people who have purchased a Provari have no interest in variable wattage. It's just another method to get to the same place. People who own a Provari have bought one because of its reputation for being more dependable, reliable, consistant, durable, and actually being repairable for as long as you own it. Do you really want to get into the repairability of the Chinese mods after warranty? "We build cheap. You buy cheap. It break, you buy another."
In life, you often get exactly what you pay for if you want quality. Construction workers and mechanics who depend on tools for their trade, don't buy cheap tools. They buy name brand, more durable and dependable, higher quality tools that will take a beating and last years, not weeks or months. The Provari could very well fit in this category if it was a tool.
If you don't mind buying a 2.0 Provari (brand new, same electronics, full warranty), you can often find one in the Provape clearance section for $150. Slightly blemished 2.5 Provari's same price. If you like pink, there's a 2.0 Provari in clearance right now for $135. So there are deals available if you are on a tight budget and desire a Provari. http://www.provape.com/category-s/37.htm
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hate to tell you the red led is the best one for full sunlight and wouldnt get any other.
not everyone wants to carry the mod with the extra inch. 500's are very popular not sure where you have been/
many people are starting to realize that VW isnt the end all be all it was made out to be. and there is nothing magically better about it unless for some reason you vape 30 different tanks with the same exact heads and juice. many people want a vaporizer to um vaporize the juice, and want it to work first time, every time.
this is because the reliability of the imports WAS actually better then the domestic cars. when you can show me a mod made in china that can compare in consistency and electrically to the provari this argument will become valid. until then they are what they are, junk, break it throw it away.
next week they will offer some other useless bell and whistle so you will buy that one too. they cant have factories stagnate becuase you only buy one of something, and this is where provape isnt worried. sales are at all time highs.
so far I have never seen the threads strip on a provari, never seen one give out resistance errors like the vamo or any of the other 100's of problems all the chinese garbage suffers from. check out the latest thread on the zmax boards shifting and the buttons not firing properly. awesome engineering there.
just so its clear I have mods here from all over the world, none of it is chinese mass produced garbage. i like alot of it but for someone new or not wanting to throw money down the drain playing around nothing beats a provari maybe, and i do mean maybe, my futura will be as reliable. but in the end I had to pay MORE then i did for a provari to get something built to the same standards with the same warranty. Facts are facts quality is not cheap. seen the price on a toyota lately?
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Let me counter the points that you made, if I may?
A basic Provari (mod only) is $159, not $200. Many customers already have a charger and the batteries needed, so a kit is not always necessary.
Provape outsources the colored bodies to another company to apply the karocote paint finish, and this costs Provape $20 for this service. Provari charges only those customers the extra $20 to those who desire a colored Provari. This keeps the cost of a basic Provari reasonably affordable to those who are on a tight budget, instead of charging $179 for EVERY Provari. Do you really expect Provape to eat the cost of the paint service?
Provape has to spend $15 additional to their supplier for the blue and green LED displays. Again, this additional cost is passed on only to the customer who wants those colors.
The $25 charge for the battery extension cap is pretty much standard for add-on attachments. AltSmoke charges $25 for their Kick extension sleeve for their Silver Bullet; I don't hear of people complaining about that.
The vast majority of people who have purchased a Provari have no interest in variable wattage. It's just another method to get to the same place. People who own a Provari have bought one because of its reputation for being more dependable, reliable, consistant, durable, and actually being repairable for as long as you own it. Do you really want to get into the repairability of the Chinese mods after warranty? "We build cheap. You buy cheap. It break, you buy another."
In life, you often get exactly what you pay for. Construction workers and mechanics who depend on tools for their trade, don't buy cheap tools. They buy name brand, more expensive, higher quality tools that will take a beating and last years, not weeks or months. The Provari could very well fit in this category if it was a tool.
If you don't mind buying a 2.0 Provari (brand new, same electronics, full warranty), you can often find one in the Provape clearance section for $150. Slightly blemished 2.5 Provari's same price. If you like pink, there's a 2.0 Provari in clearance right now for $135. So there are deals available if you are on a tight budget and desire a Provari. Clearance
Couldn't have said it better, wish I could even, I will be as good as you one day Bad. Haha!
You could crack someone skull with a provari.....
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