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Everyone is different but for me I needed to get the satisfaction I had from cigarettes, the pen style vapes weren't doing it and I followed the same pattern as you. It wasn't until I got my Subtank Mini that things changed, found great juices and had lots of satisfying vapour to blow out. It just became more enjoying to vape than it did to smoke and for me, that was the key !!

You may want to look at a subox starter kit, you can't really go wrong with on of those.

Hold on in there, it does take a while to find something that works for you, you are lucky though now, as compared to a few years ago we have some great gear to vape ..

Good luck, your also in good hands here :thumb:

EDIT - Forgot to mention, when I used to drink beer, I needed to smoke 100 times more, again, having a large amount of satisfying vapour to blow out while drinking did the trick, I remember saying to the wife, omg, I drank yesterday and didn't smoke !!
 
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Wow I learned a lot! Thanks for all of the suggestions again guys! And I just now found out what WTAs are. I am going to give that a shot. Also thanks for the kanger subohm starter pack suggestion, I already have a kanger subohm tank but that mod looks nice! I might get it this weekend to replace my cloupor mini (which is falling apart anyways.) Cheers guys
 
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One thing that gave me success was to ask myself every time I wanted a cigarette, or when it was one of my regular times to smoke, 'can I get by with a vape this time?'

I didn't think about not ever having a cigarette again, I thought about those next twenty minutes, or hours...could I get through that one instance? After a while my habit became vaping. So, don't get too discouraged and don't try to take it all on at once, just do what you can to eliminate your smoking habit one cigarette at a time.
 
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Another vote for the subox. It's all the mod I should ever need. You can ease into rebuilding if you haven't done that yet. And the flavor beats my Troll drippers. I bought a set of Samsung INR 18650 25R's for 5 bucks each from Illumn.com. Buy enough that you can never run out even if you get a little behind recharging.
 

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One thing that gave me success was to ask myself every time I wanted a cigarette, or when it was one of my regular times to smoke, 'can I get by with a vape this time?'

I didn't think about not ever having a cigarette again, I thought about those next twenty minutes, or hours...could I get through that one instance? After a while my habit became vaping. So, don't get too discouraged and don't try to take it all on at once, just do what you can to eliminate your smoking habit one cigarette at a time.

Yep, this exactly! Anytime I thought of a smoke, I'd just think, ok, right now, I'll vape... later if I REALLY want to, I'll have a smoke; and during that very first 3 wks, I kept that promise, and sometime later I *would* go smoke... and the longer this went on, the less I enjoyed those cigarettes when I would finally go and have them. It finally got to the point where I'd light up, take a drag or two, looking for the usual satisfaction.. and it just wasn't there at all -- my vape had better throat hit, wayyyyyy better flavor, and was just BETTER period! I think it took only about another week before I was just plain DONE with smoking.

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Yep, this exactly! Anytime I thought of a smoke, I'd just think, ok, right now, I'll vape... later if I REALLY want to, I'll have a smoke; and during that very first 3 wks, I kept that promise, and sometime later I *would* go smoke... and the longer this went on, the less I enjoyed those cigarettes when I would finally go and have them. It finally got to the point where I'd light up, take a drag or two, looking for the usual satisfaction.. and it just wasn't there at all -- my vape had better throat hit, wayyyyyy better flavor, and was just BETTER period! I think it took only about another week before I was just plain DONE with smoking.

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This strategy always put me back at 2PAD within a week lol
We are all different of course :)
 

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Using the MVP2 mod by innokin is what finally made me quit for good. I would never have quit using cigalikes.

Now I'm using a sub ohm tank on the MVP3, which gives me a stronger nicotine hit using only 3mg than when I was vaping 6mg on the MVP2.

If you're struggling, I highly recommend you try the above set up.
 
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When I first tried e-cigs, last Feb, I started playing a game with myself; "I'll just vape now, and later if I really want a cigarette, I'll have one"... and the amount I was smoking dropped from a pk a day to 1 a day in about 3 1/2 wks. The "first smoke" of the day was the hardest to eliminate, but once I paid attention to how I inhaled (slowly, hold in mouth/throat, exhale via nose), that morning smoke was history and I became a non-smoker.

That lasted for over 3.5 months; then I had to have my appendix out; was so godawful sick afterward I couldn't eat or vape or even get much liquid down, for 4 days. Once that way over I started trying to vape again, and it tasted HORRIBLE -- everything did, after a 4 day total fast. Cravings were beating me senseless, so I smoked, and kept trying to vape, and vape more, so I could put them down again; it took a solid month and it was much harder, but I managed it. Then 10 days later, the cravings started assaulting me again... so rather than going back to smoking, I tried WTA -- and the cravings completely vanished and have not returned. I started out with WTA as 10% of my vape; I'm now down to 3%, so I should be done with the WTA by the end of September.

Andria

Excellent point! This is what worked for me too. I didn't think of it as quitting but as trying something else and just trying it instead of reaching for my pack of smokes which I never threw away.
 

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Wow I learned a lot! Thanks for all of the suggestions again guys! And I just now found out what WTAs are. I am going to give that a shot. Also thanks for the kanger subohm starter pack suggestion, I already have a kanger subohm tank but that mod looks nice! I might get it this weekend to replace my cloupor mini (which is falling apart anyways.) Cheers guys

I didn't even think about it, since you've been around since January, but if you're interested in trying the WTA, wholecig.com is what I recommend; I use the 24mg unflavored, since I add it to my vape, and wholecig's unflavored is a WHOLE LOT less expensive than aroma's, and clearer/less smelly than mothersmilkwta.com.

As I mentioned, when I first started using it, I added it to my vape as 10% of the vape; I know that some have gone as high as 15%, and I've even heard of a few vaping the 24mg straight. I used it at that 10% level for about 5 months, then started doing a gradual reduction, 1 percentage point a month. If it was just up to me, I might continue using it indefinitely, but with the general uncertainty of what's going to happen to the entire vape market when the FDA gets thru meddling with it, I figured it was better to withdraw slowly at my own pace, than be forced to do without it when I still needed it.

I wrote up some details about WTA at my website, if you want to learn a bit more about it: -> Angry Vaper - About WTA

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This strategy always put me back at 2PAD within a week lol
We are all different of course :)

Yep, with this strategy, 2 things are absolutely essential: 1) the true DESIRE to be a non-smoker, and 2) self-discipline. If what you really want to do is not smoke anymore, the postponement will work, until you've finally vaped so many times in place of smoking, the smoking no longer gives you the satisfaction you're accustomed to -- but the vaping does.

Another thing I've found is helpful is don't think of it as *quitting* something you enjoy... think of it as *being* something that you want to be -- a non-smoker. It's much easier (and less scary!) to become something new, than quit something that you've enjoyed for a long time.

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I dont think I am older than you, but have experience, Smoked for 13 years, since I was 13 years old, Tried all methods to quit.
Only one that worked was vaping.
But I believe at the moment that I decided to switch to vaping,had I tried quitting cold turkey, I would have been able to in a much more unpleasant, yet successful attempt. you need to want to quit. U just need to tell yourself that you will quit. Vaping is not magic. Sure there is smoke, and sometimes flashing lights, Especially if your battery is dying, but its still not magic. Wanting to quit, Deciding to quit is the most important thing. Vaping makes it easier, but vaping doesnt make you quit... although there are exceptions to that rule, a few people on here never intended to quit, and ended up doing it. Up your nic more... Go to 24....
 
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I never really wanted to quit... but I *did* desire to be a non-smoker! Someone was ribbing me about that one time, and said, "so you want to be a non-smoker without quitting smoking," and I said yep, that's exactly what I want! With e-cigs, that's exactly what I GOT!

I don't buy or fire up *cigarettes* anymore... but I do inhale something that gives me something, and I exhale visibly... and I suffer no withdrawal pangs -- so yeah, I became a non-smoker without "quitting smoking" -- in effect!

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Yep, with this strategy, 2 things are absolutely essential: 1) the true DESIRE to be a non-smoker, and 2) self-discipline. If what you really want to do is not smoke anymore, the postponement will work, until you've finally vaped so many times in place of smoking, the smoking no longer gives you the satisfaction you're accustomed to -- but the vaping does.

Another thing I've found is helpful is don't think of it as *quitting* something you enjoy... think of it as *being* something that you want to be -- a non-smoker. It's much easier (and less scary!) to become something new, than quit something that you've enjoyed for a long time.

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My take (please read my ending!):

If I have the DESIRE and SELF-DISCIPLINE to quit smoking then I should be able to... simply quit smoking and never smoke again.

Occasional smoking, for me, was always a combination of Chinese Water Torture and listening to the Sirens Songs. In retrospect, with a year of vaping without a single cig behind me, yes, I like vaping much better. I get even better "clouds", it doesn't stink up the house, my car, and my clothes. My lungs feel better and I "Roll My Own" in the form of DIY so I get endless variety of flavor impossible to get from cigs. And even better, it's like going back through a time machine when you could smoke in a bar, for example, although those days are probably numbered. But I'm enjoying that aspect while I can.

But when I was trying to quit, there was something in the cigs I could not get from vaping, and vaping was a hollow replacement. I was using CE4's, then EVODS, with an eGo battery. It might be a little different now with all the emphasis on better gear, apparently even for newbies walking in a vape shop. But at the time I thought the "huge mod" the vape shop owner had hung around her neck on a lanyard just looked plain weird. Plus, she was rather emmm well endowed and in beach attire so I was more interested in what was behind that mod, but I digress :)

Anyway, for me, every cig I smoked just sucked me back in. When I first walked into a vape shop in very early June 2014 I was on an extended out of town trip, away from my also 2 PAD smoking wife and our smokey house. Within a couple days of getting my eGo setup, I actually stopped smoking for about 4 days before I returned home. And, of course, I snuck some cigs from my wife. By mid July, 4 weeks later, I was back to a full PAD I think, and that was when I decided that FOR ME, I simply either had to quit the cigs totally and absolutely, or I would be back at 2 PAD and vaping on the side.

I never knew about WTA until I was well quit, months after my last smoke. I bought a 30ml bottle of 24mg WTA but it sits unopened in my freezer, for experiments in the interests of science if my wife decides to try vaping again (she tried a little last fall but never seriously). I'd love to try it, just to see how it vapes but I'm scared to stir up any sleeping demons inside me. But knowing what I know now, and what I went through, I would not hesitate to try WTA and always recommend it when the subject of getting over the hump comes up.

I went into all this not to argue with you- there is no argument here. I'm just trying to point out how my brain works a bit differently than yours. I know a lot of people are successful weaning down more or less slowly, but I was not built that way. Without vaping, it was impossible for me ever to cut down to even 1 PAD. And I tried, often. Especially after my doc first railed about my COPD at the same time I was finding it more difficult to do even moderate exertion in some outdoor activities I enjoy.

So I think people reading this should listen carefully to what you said, and to what I said, and decide where they fall in this spectrum. There are different opinions here, and only one is more of an Ultimate Truth for any individual.

As far as being a "non-smoker", unfortunately the politics are such that I don't think I really am, at least not in a social context. I am still a pariah in the eyes of many. This is something I really struggle with now because I enjoy vaping, I have no concerns with the health issues. But I vacillate between enjoying being an iconoclast and wanting to end my pariah status. You likely meant that in a different context of course. I do remember that I used to think of giving up smoking like losing an important appendage of my body, especially that male one :), or a loved relative. The idea of not smoking was simply frightening. I guess the idea that I'm not really a nonsmoker (in the context I described it here) might have helped mitigate that fear.
 
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I never really wanted to quit... but I *did* desire to be a non-smoker! Someone was ribbing me about that one time, and said, "so you want to be a non-smoker without quitting smoking," and I said yep, that's exactly what I want! With e-cigs, that's exactly what I GOT!

I don't buy or fire up *cigarettes* anymore... but I do inhale something that gives me something, and I exhale visibly... and I suffer no withdrawal pangs -- so yeah, I became a non-smoker without "quitting smoking" -- in effect!

:D
Andria
I like that :) And can relate. Totally.
 

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One other thing that formed my thinking here... I talked about how I walked into a vape shop one day, when I really wanted to quit (or at least wanted to stop killing myself at an accelerating pace after 40 years of 2-3PAD).

Like a lot of people, it was surprisingly easy to cut way back, almost effortlessly. Within only a couple of days of my first vape I was down to one or two cigs a day and the following day I just stopped.

But then I went back home to live with my smoking wife, and started sneaking a cig here and there. And within a couple of weeks not only was I back to a PAD, but the idea of dual use (being ok) was well established in my brain. And the dual use itself became a new tough habit to break.

When I finally decided to quit the cigs for good, about 7 weeks after this vaping adventure started, it was far, far, far more difficult than that first attempt. The first round, right after I started vaping, everything was so new and different that it seemed easy to break the cig habit. But after dual using it just made it so much more difficult.

That is why I am so adamant about not sneaking cigs. For me, the way I am apparently wired. That 7 week ordeal had a huge impact on me.
 

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My take (please read my ending!):

If I have the DESIRE and SELF-DISCIPLINE to quit smoking then I should be able to... simply quit smoking and never smoke again.

Occasional smoking, for me, was always a combination of Chinese Water Torture and listening to the Sirens Songs. In retrospect, with a year of vaping without a single cig behind me, yes, I like vaping much better. I get even better "clouds", it doesn't stink up the house, my car, and my clothes. My lungs feel better and I "Roll My Own" in the form of DIY so I get endless variety of flavor impossible to get from cigs. And even better, it's like going back through a time machine when you could smoke in a bar, for example, although those days are probably numbered. But I'm enjoying that aspect while I can.

But when I was trying to quit, there was something in the cigs I could not get from vaping, and vaping was a hollow replacement. I was using CE4's, then EVODS, with an eGo battery. It might be a little different now with all the emphasis on better gear, apparently even for newbies walking in a vape shop. But at the time I thought the "huge mod" the vape shop owner had hung around her neck on a lanyard just looked plain weird. Plus, she was rather emmm well endowed and in beach attire so I was more interested in what was behind that mod, but I digress :)

Anyway, for me, every cig I smoked just sucked me back in. When I first walked into a vape shop in very early June 2014 I was on an extended out of town trip, away from my also 2 PAD smoking wife and our smokey house. Within a couple days of getting my eGo setup, I actually stopped smoking for about 4 days before I returned home. And, of course, I snuck some cigs from my wife. By mid July, 4 weeks later, I was back to a full PAD I think, and that was when I decided that FOR ME, I simply either had to quit the cigs totally and absolutely, or I would be back at 2 PAD and vaping on the side.

I never knew about WTA until I was well quit, months after my last smoke. I bought a 30ml bottle of 24mg WTA but it sits unopened in my freezer, for experiments in the interests of science if my wife decides to try vaping again (she tried a little last fall but never seriously). I'd love to try it, just to see how it vapes but I'm scared to stir up any sleeping demons inside me. But knowing what I know now, and what I went through, I would not hesitate to try WTA and always recommend it when the subject of getting over the hump comes up.

I went into all this not to argue with you- there is no argument here. I'm just trying to point out how my brain works a bit differently than yours. I know a lot of people are successful weaning down more or less slowly, but I was not built that way. Without vaping, it was impossible for me ever to cut down to even 1 PAD. And I tried, often. Especially after my doc first railed about my COPD at the same time I was finding it more difficult to do even moderate exertion in some outdoor activities I enjoy.

So I think people reading this should listen carefully to what you said, and to what I said, and decide where they fall in this spectrum. There are different opinions here, and only one is more of an Ultimate Truth for any individual.

As far as being a "non-smoker", unfortunately the politics are such that I don't think I really am, at least not in a social context. I am still a pariah in the eyes of many. This is something I really struggle with now because I enjoy vaping, I have no concerns with the health issues. But I vacillate between enjoying being an iconoclast and wanting to end my pariah status. You likely meant that in a different context of course. I do remember that I used to think of giving up smoking like losing an important appendage of my body, especially that male one :), or a loved relative. The idea of not smoking was simply frightening. I guess the idea that I'm not really a nonsmoker (in the context I described it here) might have helped mitigate that fear.

Of course, everyone is different, but you're right, every one you smoke, is one more link in the chain that chains us to an addiction -- and I kept this firmly in mind, when I was wrestling with it last summer, coming back from relapse..... I realllllllllllly wanted to smoke... but I kept reminding myself that every cigarette I smoked just kept me that much more firmly attached to the habit. And even having the possibility on the table, that I could smoke if I REALLLLLLLLY wanted to... it was plenty of motivation for that 3 yr old in my head to keep after me INCESSANTLY -- "is it time?" "Is it time NOW?" "IS IT TIME YET??" "HOW ABOUT NOW!!!!!!!!" etc etc etc... once I finally said ok enough! No more smoking!!! That 3 yr old finally shut the hell up and left me alone. So you do reach a point where you just have to put your foot down and say ENOUGH.

But when I was first starting... it was a game, an experiment; nothing would have been served in being hard on myself, in fact it would probably have backfired and made me that much more determined to smoke -- I had to ease into it, to prove to myself that it really could work -- once I had enough confidence in that, then laying them down and not bothering to pick them back up, wasn't too hard -- because I could vape instead.

Andria

ETA: that thing about "cheating" -- I went thru that years ago, when I was trying the patch, so this time, I already knew -- "cheating" is cheating nobody but YOURSELF.
 

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I'm just so thankful that my intense cravings went away so quickly. Not sure how long it took, it wasn't an instant in time, but I never get real cravings anymore, it's more of an intellectual thought. Probably only took a month or so. (that day 4-5 was hell though)
And, given the intense addiction I've tried to describe here I'm amazed. Vaping really does work, at least it did for me. It surely saved my life. I am quite sure I would have smoked myself to death.
 

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I was extremely poor when I decided to make the switch. The final decision came from the fact that I had to make a choice one week between analogs and groceries. I spent half of what I woulda spent on cigs that week on a cheap lil disposable eGo rig and some juice. It was a sink or swim thing for me. The 1st few days were rough. REAL rough! Lol! But I bought better gear each week, spending half of the $75 analogs cost me. A month later I finally ended up with a Nautilus on a Smok Magneto and found a juice I could vape all day and by that point I didn't even want an analog anymore. I actually tried to smoke one around that time and didn't make it half way through it. It tasted sooooo nasty! Made me wonder how I ever got hooked on em in the first place. I've actually quit a few other bad habits in the last decade, and I can honestly say cigs were the hardest habit to break. It does get easier as time goes by though. I'm 11 months analog free on Friday, and I couldn't be happier. Hang in there. Use the force. Keep your mod in your hand and puff on it all day if you have to. You can do it! :thumb:
 

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I smoked for many years, quit a couple of times for years and relapsed. The day I started vaping my cigs went from 25 to 5 with no apparent effort and stayed there. I used the next six weeks to get comfortable with vaping. Then I let my cigs run out and didn't buy more. Ecigs cut my cigs by 80%. I called that 80% control and wondered if I wanted 100% control. I'd say going to 100% was only 20% of the effort that it would have been without ecigs. Fear of failure undermines determination. Knowing failure would mean only 5 cigs instead of 25 helped a lot.

I noticed a couple of days ago I have my singing voice again. It's been a long time.
 

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I didn't even think about it, since you've been around since January, but if you're interested in trying the WTA, wholecig.com is what I recommend; I use the 24mg unflavored, since I add it to my vape, and wholecig's unflavored is a WHOLE LOT less expensive than aroma's, and clearer/less smelly than mothersmilkwta.com.

As I mentioned, when I first started using it, I added it to my vape as 10% of the vape; I know that some have gone as high as 15%, and I've even heard of a few vaping the 24mg straight. I used it at that 10% level for about 5 months, then started doing a gradual reduction, 1 percentage point a month. If it was just up to me, I might continue using it indefinitely, but with the general uncertainty of what's going to happen to the entire vape market when the FDA gets thru meddling with it, I figured it was better to withdraw slowly at my own pace, than be forced to do without it when I still needed it.

I wrote up some details about WTA at my website, if you want to learn a bit more about it: -> Angry Vaper - About WTA

Andria

That's a great suggestion. I just bought some WTA and I hope it works :) Thank you!!
 
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