Digg THIS!

[frankie1]

News article I hadn't seen!

"Earlier this year Health New Zealand carried out trials into the safety of e-cigarettes. According to the head of research Dr Murray Laugeson, the test found that e-cigarettes were very safe relative to cigarettes, and also safe in absolute terms on all measurements."

For the rest of the article, click here:

iafrica.com | health | health news Electronic cigarette works

This article is quoting doctors and not suppliers. I dugg it! Hope everyone will

 

[JustJulie]

Dugg. Nice article and nice find, frankie1.

 

[misterME]

News article I hadn't seen!

"Earlier this year Health New Zealand carried out trials into the safety of e-cigarettes. According to the head of research Dr Murray Laugeson, the test found that e-cigarettes were very safe relative to cigarettes, and also safe in absolute terms on all measurements."

For the rest of the article, click here:

iafrica.com | health | health news Electronic cigarette works

This article is quoting doctors and not suppliers. I dugg it! Hope everyone will

Dugg!

I really wish the US was as scientifically apt as NZ. Would make things much easier for us in the States...

 

[Kate51]

Here is an article with several links included as to testing and published works so far.
Awaiting published Clinical trials

The Ruyan®*(nicotine) E-Cigarette

This one regarding RYO (Roll Your Own) tobacco Cigarette report, very enlightening, also many more links included, some may be duplicates from above link: Bottom line, this testing ongoing.

http://www.healthnz.co.nz/coynews.htm

Yes, US does seem to be behind the 8-Ball, they are seemingly trying their best to diminish the usefulness of e-cig use, rather than conducting true Scientific research as Cigarette Replacement.

 

[ladyraj]

Twisp is a Janty product that was supplied to a few hundred patients and some caregivers. It is "a local medical survey" which is equated with a medical focus group in a typical marketing strategy. The physicians are quick to point out the findings do not meet scientific standards that can be generalized to the population.

Does anyone have a link to the actual report?

 

[frankie1]

Thank you! I liked the article. Great that is from doctors, not suppliers. I cannot take credit for the discovery...I found it on another forum posted by someone named "Anon" and thought I would bring it here since there are sooooo many more people. I hope a lot of people will digg this or do whatever is needed to get the info out. There are many, many smokers who could be helped like I was by finding the PV.

 

[frankie1]

Ladyraj: No I don't. The OP did not have it either so this is all the info I have on it. I realize it does not meet scientific test standards so might not have a legal effect, but it might help others who have fallen prey to ASH and the FDA's rash statements.

I have a friend who has a heart of gold and I love him dearly. He is old school and refuses to go to any doctor etc. He smokes 2-3 packs a day and I tried to share this new product with him. Now keep it mind, I realize that his ignorance of new technology is his problem, but I still care for him, faults and all. His response was that they put the stuff in antifreeze in there. Sooooo sad...I literally weep for his lack of information, because more than likely, smoking will kill him. It is hard for people like my friend to discredit the "official" stance on things, so just maybe, an article like this may help him and others like him. I can only hope.

 

[surbitonPete]

Ladyraj: No I don't. The OP did not have it either so this is all the info I have on it. I realize it does not meet scientific test standards so might not have a legal effect, but it might help others who have fallen prey to ASH and the FDA's rash statements.

I have a friend who has a heart of gold and I love him dearly. He is old school and refuses to go to any doctor etc. He smokes 2-3 packs a day and I tried to share this new product with him. Now keep it mind, I realize that his ignorance of new technology is his problem, but I still care for him, faults and all. His response was that they put the stuff in antifreeze in there. Sooooo sad...I literally weep for his lack of information, because more than likely, smoking will kill him. It is hard for people like my friend to discredit the "official" stance on things, so just maybe, an article like this may help him and others like him. I can only hope.

Great article frankie ...I have dugg it......and I really hope you have some luck with convincing your friend.

 

[Scooter Bob]

Ladyraj: No I don't. The OP did not have it either so this is all the info I have on it. I realize it does not meet scientific test standards so might not have a legal effect, but it might help others who have fallen prey to ASH and the FDA's rash statements.

I have a friend who has a heart of gold and I love him dearly. He is old school and refuses to go to any doctor etc. He smokes 2-3 packs a day and I tried to share this new product with him. Now keep it mind, I realize that his ignorance of new technology is his problem, but I still care for him, faults and all. His response was that they put the stuff in antifreeze in there. Sooooo sad...I literally weep for his lack of information, because more than likely, smoking will kill him. It is hard for people like my friend to discredit the "official" stance on things, so just maybe, an article like this may help him and others like him. I can only hope.

Could you maybe sway him if you let him know he could use VG instead of PG? Some people,sad as it is, won't bring themselves the gizmo. It's a gizmo to them, and silly. It is terrible that someone would swallow the anti freeze scare, while continuing to bombard their body with all the crap in cigarettes. I think that even your friend would come around if and when these become unthreatened and totally legal, cuz the masses would grow in new users, with massive stories to tell about how their health instantly changed with these things. SB

 

[renderwerks]

I read it; dugg it as well. Good, quick read. Thanks-

 

[frankie1]

Thank you Surbiton. I don't know how effective digg is, but anything might help! I hope I can convince him also.

Scooter: I don't think he would even listen to the difference at this point. I just keep praying that they become more mainstream and then just maybe people like my friend WILL listen and just give it a try.

I think smokers just feel so attacked and believe that this is another way to subvert an addiction that they are powerless over and don't want to give up anyway! It is a shame that organizations like ASH and our own government have chosen to attack its citizenry instead of offering any viable assistance. Sorry, don't mean to rant. I just hate seeing so many people being so mistreated by the government that is supposed to be working for them. ASH is just another money grubbing ashhole looking to make a buck, no matter who it kills. IMHO He WILL pay big time...karma is a *#*^!!

 

[Kate51]

Here's Twisp website

http://www.twisp.co.za/

will include article that generated this to follow:

http://witnessthis.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/lets-do-the-twisp/

 

[Kate51]

Could you maybe sway him if you let him know he could use VG instead of PG? Some people,sad as it is, won't bring themselves the gizmo. It's a gizmo to them, and silly. It is terrible that someone would swallow the anti freeze scare, while continuing to bombard their body with all the crap in cigarettes. I think that even your friend would come around if and when these become unthreatened and totally legal, cuz the masses would grow in new users, with massive stories to tell about how their health instantly changed with these things. SB

People can find any reason they need to not change!! That's why so many people went to low tar, low nic cigarettes, instead of quitting, it was a good alternative. Well, come to find out, those types of cigarettes are even more addictive and full of chemical toxins than an un-filtered Camel Regular smoke.
So try to do the sell, yes, anti-freeze in made from the same things, but they're not the same. It's also in your toothpaste, mouthwash, face creams, deodorants, food, medicines, and the list goes to infinity. PG and VG have been tested for the last 40-50 years, extensively. They are FDA approved food/medical products. And it is in anti-freeze. Forget the technology, it isn't any different that a mist-producing vaporizer/humidifier that people buy all the time, e-cigs just happen to be cigarette-size!!
Good luck! To your friend as well.

 

[catlvr]

Great article! Dugg it. Frankie1, I too am a believer in karma and that ahshole will get his one day. And that day is comming soon imo. Good luck with your friend also.

 

[ladyraj]

Ladyraj: No I don't. The OP did not have it either so this is all the info I have on it. I realize it does not meet scientific test standards so might not have a legal effect, but it might help others who have fallen prey to ASH and the FDA's rash statements.

I have a friend who has a heart of gold and I love him dearly. He is old school and refuses to go to any doctor etc. He smokes 2-3 packs a day and I tried to share this new product with him. Now keep it mind, I realize that his ignorance of new technology is his problem, but I still care for him, faults and all. His response was that they put the stuff in antifreeze in there. Sooooo sad...I literally weep for his lack of information, because more than likely, smoking will kill him. It is hard for people like my friend to discredit the "official" stance on things, so just maybe, an article like this may help him and others like him. I can only hope.

I was like your friend, I decided to try the PV to use in places I couldn't smoke. I never got in to the e-cig thing for health reasons because I had already made peace with the fact that my 36 year 2 pack a day habit was my choice of recreation/relaxation and accepted all consequences. To date I still have no health problems. The health consequences of smoking may not be the hook that draws in your friend. If the literature to date from all of the health organizations hasn't altered your friends habits, I doubt a few e-cig articles will.

The draw to e-cigs for what is considered "inveterate" smokers is cost, not paying tax, and choice of flavors. Some people view their smokes as a long loved friend that has been readily available in good times and bad. That friendship has persisited despite the heavy taxation, health studies, and literal ostracization from the social world. The smokers have fought all comers who seek to "help" them for their own good.

You have started on a noble endeavor to aid one you care about, there is no fault in that. Easing your friend in to trying your e-cig or bragging on which flavor your vaping and how much you have saved may be the best avenue to win your friend over. Good luck!

 

[lotus14]

Here is an article with several links included as to testing and published works so far.
Awaiting published Clinical trials
Quote:
The Ruyan®*(nicotine) E-Cigarette

This one bothers me a lot. "Avoid bottled nicotine?" Why is e-liquid in a childproof capped, drop a time bottle, more dangerous to children than all the other lethal stuff that can be found in every household?

Sealed pre-filled cartridges only?

 

[Kmel]

Thanks, Frankie! Nice article!

 

[frankie1]

Thanks Ladyraj. He owns his own business so there are very few places he cannot smoke. I know he is struggling in this horrible economy, so maybe that will convince him to at least give it a shot. As I said, he is very smart in some ways, but uneducated. So I will keep plugging away at him. My next tactic is to try to convince him that it would be much better for his wife. She has severe allergies/asthma but allows him to smoke in the house, the car, etc. Maybe he could show her some of that love and devotion back!

 

[Kate51]

This one bothers me a lot. "Avoid bottled nicotine?" Why is e-liquid in a childproof capped, drop a time bottle, more dangerous to children than all the other lethal stuff that can be found in every household?

Sealed pre-filled cartridges only?

He's got a PHD, or better, and wants the e-cigs totally legalized in New Zealand and the world! I think it's a DR thing...but does stress the danger factor of e-liquids. We tend to take for granted they're ok to vape, and we get complacent about using them because we handle them every day. But nicotine does pose a threat, kids and pets, but also it is absorbable through the skin, as well as the mouth, nose and throat. So you have to consider the source. NZ is closer to approval than any other country. This is the entity that did the testing and clinical trials for Ruyan of China.
Many people who post on the Forum do go to the edge sometimes of foolishness with their use of HIGH++ nicotine liquid and DIY processes.
I thought that was harsh too, but it's also right for him to stress the danger.

 

[frankie1]

I agree with the thoughts on complacency! I was just leaving all my little bottle out and mixing and just happy as a lark (I don't have children at home or pets in the house). Then I read the post about the dog getting a bottle of juice and it killed him. I promptly put ALL my juice in a tightly closed box on a HIGH shelf so that my grandkids will not be able to get it when they are visiting! I continuously remind hubs to keep only the one little bottle that he is working with out at a time. I don't think we can be reminded too many times to BE CAREFUL!