There is something about the Siren that makes it smooth as silk. I have to agree that nothing I have seems to touch it for smoothness.
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I'm still very unhappy with Digiflavor! I sent an email to Digiflavor in China a couple of weeks ago asking if they were going to come out with a Siren v2 and they responded last night and said no.
Why the heck not, I'd like to ask them? They're nuts!
Why the heck not, I'd like to ask them? They're nuts!
Hard to figure why they would not given the popularity of the Siren. Obviously, they are making money hand over fist and don't really care!!
Yes. It makes me think it had something to do with the rights to it. Perhaps Digiflavor and the designer had a falling out or something?
Agreed, just something about the smoothness and the ability to dial it in perfectly that no other tank has.
Yes! It's so easy to build on and wick. No juiceflow control is a very nice thing too! It's much harder for me to build on the Hussar than it is on the Siren.
With 2 or 3 minor tweeks this would have been the perfect MTL tank. I get steamed more and more each day.
Does anyone know if Digiflavor uses the same wonderful screws with the big heads on all of their geni attys? I'd love to have more of them to see if they can be used in other attys.
Think you would have difficulty trying to retrofit other attys.
I finally received my my SS 22mm Digiflavor Siren a few days ago, but only just got around to doing my first build on it. I did a 0.66 ohm, 26 gauge SS 316L, 7-8 wraps, 3mm ID build, wicked with some Cotton Bacon v2, for TC use on a 3D printed Rebel DNA75 that runs on a single 26650 battery. I ran the wick down close to the bottom of the tank, cutoff about 2-3mm above the bottom of the tank. That is for a tight draw MTL setup, using the screw-on airflow restriction device, in combination with the smallest airflow intake hole.
In general, I'm liking this RTA so far. My only complaint really is that it doesn't quite screw down flush on my Rebel DNA75, which has had no problems with any other tanks fitting flush on it. I will have to order a (1mm high) 22mm delrin spacer from FT to fill in the gap. That's not too big a deal, but it is a little annoying.
This RTA is certainly pretty darn easy to build on, although the layout of the build deck makes it a little hard to do spaced TC wire builds on - at least if you want to use anything more than just a few wraps. This is a problem I have with my Kayfun Mini V3s too, so I am used to that, but it still can be a pain making sure your coil legs don't make contact with the rest of your coil - causing a soft short that throws all your TC readings off. That being said, this tank definitely seems to do better at TC than the few other MTL RTAs I've tried so far for TC. I especially like how solidly I can screw down the coil legs in this thing without the need for a third hand or fourth hand.
The flavor I get off of this RTA is very good for MTL vaping. Really good. I don't know if it is the absolute best you can get, but it is right up there with the best. So far I am getting better flavor than I do with my Kayfun Mini V3 clones - which normally deliver flavor pretty darn well. I use fairly high VG juice (70/30 VG/PG range), which seems to wick well in this tank. For my first build I think I may have used too much wick, as the setup is running a bit warmer than I think it should, but I'm still not getting dry hits. I will wick with a bit less cotton next time around and see how that goes.
I've had no juice leak issues so far, though I've only been using the tank for a short period of time. I've yet to sit the tank on its side to see how well it handles that, as I've just been too busy vaping away on this sucker.
I tried both drip tips that came with the tank, both of which are pretty good, but I've switched over to using a narrow inner bore SS and silicone hybrid drip tip that insulates me from the heat of the tank better. The all delrin MTL drip tip that comes with the tank is just a little too short to accomplish that well. The taller wide bore SS drip tip (with the tiny, somewhat useless, white delrin end piece on it) has too wide an inner bore for my tastes, plus the SS portion of it still transfers a bit too much tank heat to my lips.
I chain MTL vape, so my experience with this tank's supplied drip tips is probably a little different from what some of the rest of you may be experiencing. Overall, I like this tank quite a bit, though it delivers a little more warmth than I prefer, but I'm sure I can adjust my TC builds and settings to accommodate that. The tank, despite its 4ml juice capacity, is fairly short - which also I like. It is about the same height as a 4ml Augvape Merlin RTA, which is a pretty good MTL RTA in its own right - other than having some juice seepage issues which I could never entirely resolve. The flavor I get off the Siren is much better than what the Merlin can deliver - though the Merlin was still pretty decent for a non-mini RTA (though not as good as a Kayfun Mini V3).
Refilling the Siren is very easy compared to a lot of other top-fill RTAs I have, simply because I don't need to mess around with any special tanks handling methods to help avoid juice seepage. I don't even need to turn the airflow control dial off. I just open up the top, fill, screw the top cap back on, and that's it, I'm good to go - without any leaks. I love that. It's too bad this tank has apparently (for some unknown reason) been discontinued by the manufacturer. Perhaps, despite that, we may see a clone or two of this tank anyway? I've only got one of these things. I wish I'd been able to order more than one, but that was the last 22mm one in stock I could find available anywhere after a very intensive online search.
I'd love to hear about other MTL TC builds the rest of you have a had any success with in this tank. I've got a couple of different gauges of SS 316L wire, and also some 28 gauge Dicodes Resistherm NiFe30 I'm looking forward to trying out - once I figure out how to set that up on my DNA75 board with EScribe. I'd also be curious if any of you have had any success using rayon as a wick in this tank, because it seems like that might be difficult to pull off without having any leak issues. My impression so far is that there may not be any need to bother trying to use rayon in this tank, since it seems to wick so well just using cotton, but I'm curious anyway.
In general, I'm liking this RTA so far. My only complaint really is that it doesn't quite screw down flush on my Rebel DNA75, which has had no problems with any other tanks fitting flush on it. I will have to order a (1mm high) 22mm delrin spacer from FT to fill in the gap. That's not too big a deal, but it is a little annoying.
This RTA is certainly pretty darn easy to build on, although the layout of the build deck makes it a little hard to do spaced TC wire builds on - at least if you want to use anything more than just a few wraps. This is a problem I have with my Kayfun Mini V3s too, so I am used to that, but it still can be a pain making sure your coil legs don't make contact with the rest of your coil - causing a soft short that throws all your TC readings off. That being said, this tank definitely seems to do better at TC than the few other MTL RTAs I've tried so far for TC. I especially like how solidly I can screw down the coil legs in this thing without the need for a third hand or fourth hand.
The flavor I get off of this RTA is very good for MTL vaping. Really good. I don't know if it is the absolute best you can get, but it is right up there with the best. So far I am getting better flavor than I do with my Kayfun Mini V3 clones - which normally deliver flavor pretty darn well. I use fairly high VG juice (70/30 VG/PG range), which seems to wick well in this tank. For my first build I think I may have used too much wick, as the setup is running a bit warmer than I think it should, but I'm still not getting dry hits. I will wick with a bit less cotton next time around and see how that goes.
I've had no juice leak issues so far, though I've only been using the tank for a short period of time. I've yet to sit the tank on its side to see how well it handles that, as I've just been too busy vaping away on this sucker.
I tried both drip tips that came with the tank, both of which are pretty good, but I've switched over to using a narrow inner bore SS and silicone hybrid drip tip that insulates me from the heat of the tank better. The all delrin MTL drip tip that comes with the tank is just a little too short to accomplish that well. The taller wide bore SS drip tip (with the tiny, somewhat useless, white delrin end piece on it) has too wide an inner bore for my tastes, plus the SS portion of it still transfers a bit too much tank heat to my lips.
I chain MTL vape, so my experience with this tank's supplied drip tips is probably a little different from what some of the rest of you may be experiencing. Overall, I like this tank quite a bit, though it delivers a little more warmth than I prefer, but I'm sure I can adjust my TC builds and settings to accommodate that. The tank, despite its 4ml juice capacity, is fairly short - which also I like. It is about the same height as a 4ml Augvape Merlin RTA, which is a pretty good MTL RTA in its own right - other than having some juice seepage issues which I could never entirely resolve. The flavor I get off the Siren is much better than what the Merlin can deliver - though the Merlin was still pretty decent for a non-mini RTA (though not as good as a Kayfun Mini V3).
Refilling the Siren is very easy compared to a lot of other top-fill RTAs I have, simply because I don't need to mess around with any special tanks handling methods to help avoid juice seepage. I don't even need to turn the airflow control dial off. I just open up the top, fill, screw the top cap back on, and that's it, I'm good to go - without any leaks. I love that. It's too bad this tank has apparently (for some unknown reason) been discontinued by the manufacturer. Perhaps, despite that, we may see a clone or two of this tank anyway? I've only got one of these things. I wish I'd been able to order more than one, but that was the last 22mm one in stock I could find available anywhere after a very intensive online search.
I'd love to hear about other MTL TC builds the rest of you have a had any success with in this tank. I've got a couple of different gauges of SS 316L wire, and also some 28 gauge Dicodes Resistherm NiFe30 I'm looking forward to trying out - once I figure out how to set that up on my DNA75 board with EScribe. I'd also be curious if any of you have had any success using rayon as a wick in this tank, because it seems like that might be difficult to pull off without having any leak issues. My impression so far is that there may not be any need to bother trying to use rayon in this tank, since it seems to wick so well just using cotton, but I'm curious anyway.
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This tank does have a long 510 pin. I use spacers on all of mine to compensate. I don't do TC so cannot comment on other builds. I use 28ga 316L 3mm 7 wraps in Power mode.
Thank you for the excellent review! It's so nice to hear from another Siren fan.
I've never used any of the Merlins, but I certainly know about their reputation as a great flavor tank. I'm happy to hear that I may not have shortchanged myself by sticking with the Siren. The flavor really is very, very good!
I think the pin on the Siren is a bit long, and that's probably why it isn't sitting flush on your Rebel DNA 75. I had that problem with my iJoy Solo Mini, but it was fine with everything else.
I'm impressed that you haven't had a problem with seepage when filling the tank with the AFC open. I have the hardest time remembering to close it before filling it. Though it doesn't always result in a seep, it has caused some seepage for me.
I usually vape high pg juice at 10-14 watts at ohms above 1, and I've never had a dry hit with a Siren. I don't do TC, so can't share TC info with you. I use 26 or 28 kanthal wire for my slightly spaced coils. I have had some seeping with the Siren, but that is easily remedied by packing more cotton in the juice wells and not filling it with juice above the build chamber. It's a marvelous atty!
I asked the customer service rep at 2Fdeal to find out if anyone will be cloning the Siren and she said no, unfortunately.
I don't use rayon wicking, but plenty of posters here have used it for the Siren and report positive results.
Glad to hear from you!!
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one with a long 510 pin. I just don't understand why we still have to put up with little design issues like this. By now there certainly must be some "happy medium" 510 connection pin length that every engineer of these devices should be using. Why they are not is beyond me.
It is possible that the Siren just doesn't have much of an opportunity to leak when thicker high VG juices are used in it. Though that's a plausible thought, thicker juices certainly have not prevented some leaking in other RTAs I've used. None of those other designs were anything quite like the Siren, so I guess the thicker juice theory could still have something to do with it.
I can fill the Siren up all the way without leaking after refilling. You might want to consider using higher VG juices, unless you can't tolerate much VG. Some people apparently can't, much in the same way my body doesn't like too much PG. I assume you've tried using 2.5 to 3mm inner diameter coils? Anything smaller than than and you'd have to pack extra wick in those juice channels - to prevent seep and leak issues.
The 510 screws are a bit long - the hard plastic insulator that sits inside the 510 will not allow it to go any deeper no matter how hard you screw it down.
I replaced those insulators with rubber grommets and now can get it to sit a little deeper if necessary.
(in combination with 0.5mm vinyl spacers to a: protect the mod`s paint on top and b: to add a little extra leeway for shallow 510s on devices)
I replaced those insulators with rubber grommets and now can get it to sit a little deeper if necessary.
(in combination with 0.5mm vinyl spacers to a: protect the mod`s paint on top and b: to add a little extra leeway for shallow 510s on devices)
The insulator acts as a "cup" in which the head of the screw sits inside - it makes for an absolute depth where the screw rests at full tightness...
unlike a thick "donut" type insulator which could be sanded down, unfortunately this type can not.
unlike a thick "donut" type insulator which could be sanded down, unfortunately this type can not.
Hey Ya'll. I just wanted to check in with more lengthy test results on my 22mm Siren and the o-ring under the positive post test. I have just put 17 tank fulls thru it with NO SEEPAGE whatsoever !! Yea !!! I had previously put 8 tank fulls thru it right after doing the o-ring thing, changed builds, then 17 more tank fulls, so 25 tank fulls in all with no seepage. NOW, I can say that Fad's o-ring trick, with a little modification (I put mine under the positive block) really works Great.
Yes, I too have noticed that the positive 510 screw is a bit too long for some mods, and run a .5mm "Mod Saver" from Kidney Puncher on my HΩ Tech G2's, but not on my HΩ Slice's (don't need to) or my Presa TC 100's.
I run either 28g NiCr or 30g Twisted Kanthal A-1, both spaced and 3mm coils in temp mode on my HΩ Tech mods and am at from 1.06Ω to 1.35Ω depending on build. I typically build from 6 to 8 wraps, all spaced like I said. No Problems here. The added warmth might be due to the coil being in the middle of the tank versus the bottom of most other RTA's billy.
I wish I could run a high VG juice as I think a higher VG mix would lessen the seepage problems I had in the past, but I can't (I'm finding that the less VG I'm using in my mix the less throat problems I'm having), so I am running (right now) a 60/40 PG mix and will prolly end up at either 70/30 or even 80/20 PG, I'm still working on that part though.
Which grommets you using Fad ??
Yes, I too have noticed that the positive 510 screw is a bit too long for some mods, and run a .5mm "Mod Saver" from Kidney Puncher on my HΩ Tech G2's, but not on my HΩ Slice's (don't need to) or my Presa TC 100's.
I run either 28g NiCr or 30g Twisted Kanthal A-1, both spaced and 3mm coils in temp mode on my HΩ Tech mods and am at from 1.06Ω to 1.35Ω depending on build. I typically build from 6 to 8 wraps, all spaced like I said. No Problems here. The added warmth might be due to the coil being in the middle of the tank versus the bottom of most other RTA's billy.
I wish I could run a high VG juice as I think a higher VG mix would lessen the seepage problems I had in the past, but I can't (I'm finding that the less VG I'm using in my mix the less throat problems I'm having), so I am running (right now) a 60/40 PG mix and will prolly end up at either 70/30 or even 80/20 PG, I'm still working on that part though.
Which grommets you using Fad ??
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