Digiflavor Siren GTA

[Droz]

Ok, thanks to everyone's suggestions - managed to get the post off, then back on again. feels tight. Glad I didn't break my Sirens.

As an aside, does anyone know which vendors are getting the 22mm Sirens? I'm hoping GearBest or 3F Vape get them, as I know I can receive from them without paying fancy shipping prices to Aus

Unless, of course, someone can think of a 22mm MTL tank that doesn't have a plastic tank? I've bought a Kayfun v5 clone (seriously best machining on a tank that I've played with yet! And it's a clone! So many great little touches) but it's too airey for me to be a proper Siren replacement. I went and bought a Taifun GT III clone too... I gotta stop buying all these damn tanks.

 

[JoeyC]

Okay cake is done, my wife makes me a awesome homemade chocolate caramel cookie cake every year, wish I could clone it into a ejuice

Anyway, siren positive pin tighten, hard to get pics of the pin, but done the best I can, so 1st unscrew the 510 pin and take out the pin and insulator, don't really need to take out the insulator, but think makes a little easier and less likely to lose if take out yourself than falling out.

Once you've taken the 510 pin out, you will see the gold/brass the 510 screws into in, that is also a screw, which holds the positive block, you can't get a screwdriver onto it properly, but if look around the edge will see a cut out you can get a screwdriver onto, I did not take out my builds when doing this, but did have my finger over the top of the positive block till I had it properly tightened up.

Hopefully can see from this picture, but did a red arrow, so can see what I mean about the cut out to get a screw driver onto.

Hope that helps you out @Katdarling

Happy birthday

Thanks for posting this fix, I also ordered the o-rings in case tightening up the post does not work

 

[JustWondering1]

Ok, thanks to everyone's suggestions - managed to get the post off, then back on again. feels tight. Glad I didn't break my Sirens.

As an aside, does anyone know which vendors are getting the 22mm Sirens? I'm hoping GearBest or 3F Vape get them, as I know I can receive from them without paying fancy shipping prices to Aus

Unless, of course, someone can think of a 22mm MTL tank that doesn't have a plastic tank? I've bought a Kayfun v5 clone (seriously best machining on a tank that I've played with yet! And it's a clone! So many great little touches) but it's too airey for me to be a proper Siren replacement. I went and bought a Taifun GT III clone too... I gotta stop buying all these damn tanks.

3AVAPE and Heaven's Gifts are the only Chinese vendors I know of that are carrying this batch of Sirens.

 

[52anddone]

I just replaced the o-rings on my 22mm Siren's metal/silicone drip tip with 2 of these:
Metric Buna O-rings 6 x 1mm Price for 50 pcs
and found that the drip tip now fits a whole lot better than it ever had with the stock o-rings, plus I can unscrew the top cap to fill my Siren with just a twist of the drip tip, and I can pick up my Siren attached to my HΩ Tech G2 (with 2 18650 batteries) by the drip tip only and don't have to worry about it dropping to the floor.

I am now mixing a 80/20 PG juice and using it in my "center post o-ring fixed" Siren 22mm and still no leaks or seeps (for those worrying about using thinner e-liquids).

 

[Katdarling]

Welp that's awesome, and does in every way beat out my extensive work of washing of the tank and rewicking it for "later"....... and putting away in the drawer.

Good job, 5-2!

 

[billybc96]

Okay cake is done, my wife makes me a awesome homemade chocolate caramel cookie cake every year, wish I could clone it into a ejuice

Anyway, siren positive pin tighten, hard to get pics of the pin, but done the best I can, so 1st unscrew the 510 pin and take out the pin and insulator, don't really need to take out the insulator, but think makes a little easier and less likely to lose if take out yourself than falling out.

Once you've taken the 510 pin out, you will see the gold/brass the 510 screws into in, that is also a screw, which holds the positive block, you can't get a screwdriver onto it properly, but if look around the edge will see a cut out you can get a screwdriver onto, I did not take out my builds when doing this, but did have my finger over the top of the positive block till I had it properly tightened up.

Hopefully can see from this picture, but did a red arrow, so can see what I mean about the cut out to get a screw driver onto.

Hope that helps you out @Katdarling

I just did this trick on my 22mm Siren. I stuck a small flat head screwdriver in there at an angle and was able to rotate that screw inside there about a quarter turn without too much difficulty. It is too early to tell if it will help fix some leak issues I've been having recently with my Siren, as those issues may be more due to something else entirely (see further below). I will also try the o-ring under the screw-on airflow reducer trick if necessary.

In the meantime, out of curiosity, I looked up "3-prong" screwdrivers and screwdriver bits on FT. I found nothing at first, but then started looking at what kind of screwdriver bits are available in some of the multi-bit, precision repair screwdriver kits that you can get from FT. Doing that, I found THIS, which (if you look at a closeup picture) shows at least two 3-prong type screwdriver bits (Y0 and Y1) that might work to do the above "fix" a little more professionally - if anyone cares. (It might also help with doing a more thorough disassembly and reassembly as well.)

When it comes to my leak issues, I think one of the problems I'm encountering is that the top portion of my tank tends to loosen up sometimes when I unscrew the top cap to refill. If I re-tighten the top portion of my tank tight after screwing the top cap back on I end up having significantly fewer problems with major leaks. I had no leak issues at all when I first started using my tank, so something loosening up after some use seems a likely culprit.

I need to try re-tightening that portion on using some thread lock to see if that will more permanently resolve the issue. Some of the rest of you experiencing leak issues may want to give that a try as well. I typically use blue thread lock, which still allows for disassembly of the parts it is applied to - if you use a little extra force. Not much of the thread lock needs to be applied. Just a touch (a drop or two) will do.

I have found using thread lock when re-tightening RTA components back together to be very helpful in preventing inadvertent loosening of parts during everyday use. My Kayfun Mini V3s had similar types of problems until I thread locked the top portion (but not the top refill cap itself!) of those tanks, as well as the 510 connection screw on the bottom of those tanks. Now they consistently do not leak at all.

As a side note to all of the above...
After doing all of the above fiddling, my 22mm Siren now seems to fit flush on my mod - which is a complete surprise to me! I was not expecting that.

 

[52anddone]

https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10017498/4846400-57-in-1-precision-multi-bit-screwdriver-repair
These might work IF the "Y" portion is long enough to get up into where you want it to go before the shank portion (which is wider and the portion that slips into the bit handle) touches the 510 collar (where the 510 screw goes into) and stops any further insertion of the bit.

 

[DPLongo22]

I like the tank.

I don't like it enough to wrestle with it. Actually, I don't like ANYTHING enough to wrestle with.

"Waiter! Another order of Egg Rolls, please?"

 

[access0denied]

Any rumors to an updated version? Thought I saw in another forum that there was an updated version coming out. I loved my Siren 25mm, but having issues with the o-ring on the top of the glass tank. It's almost as if it's not seating fully. Worked great for the first two months. But yeah, would love to see an updated version.

 

[JustWondering1]

Any rumors to an updated version? Thought I saw in another forum that there was an updated version coming out. I loved my Siren 25mm, but having issues with the o-ring on the top of the glass tank. It's almost as if it's not seating fully. Worked great for the first two months. But yeah, would love to see an updated version.

Digiflavor has been very vague about their upcoming plans. I haven't been sure if they're hinting at a Siren 2 or just generally promoting their new products that may have nothing in common with the Siren, by saying something like, we think you'll like some of our upcoming products.

Sorry you are having problems with the upper o-ring of your 25 mm Siren. I've only got the 22 mm Sirens, so I can't help you there, but I am sure some of our members who have the 25 mm will be along shortly to help you out. I think they found another manufacturer for an o-ring you can use for your 25 mm Siren. I think it's the Iwodevape o-ring for the Kanger Subtank Plus, but I can't be sure.

 

[Katdarling]

5-2 has the 2-5s (that's funny, all in itself. made ME laugh anyway). Perhaps he can be of help, access.

$12.42 57-in-1 Precision Multi-Bit Screwdriver Repair Tool Kit (57 Pieces) - 14*torx + 3*square + 9*philips + 1*triangle + 7*slotted + 2*Y-type + 12*hex + 6*socket at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
These might work IF the "Y" portion is long enough to get up into where you want it to go before the shank portion (which is wider and the portion that slips into the bit handle) touches the 510 collar (where the 510 screw goes into) and stops any further insertion of the bit.

Where were YOU like 27 minutes ago when I spent heaps more, for less? (joking,,,,,,, it's fine)

 

[Cosmic_Glaze]

Everytime I check out this thread, cause I'm interested in the 22mm tank..there always seems to be some talk of leaking or repair.. What's the deal with this tank? Is there an issue with it? Could someone explain plz?

 

[Katdarling]

I wish I could, Cosmic. For me, I just call it RANDOM ANNOYANCE. Yet, strangely, I like the silly tank!!

 

[access0denied]

My tank was great. Not major leaking either. But, I'm not able to take the build deck out with a juice in the tank. The glass just doesn't seat into that upper o-ring very well without the build deck. I also noticed that the tank isn't straight, if that makes any sense.

 

[Droz]

I also noticed that the tank isn't straight, if that makes any sense.

Yeah, there's a bit of play for sure. I have two - on one, the deck was slightly bent, but on the second it looks good - however, you can see that the middle and the sides aren't quite even.

That o-ring for the top of the glass is a doozey - just putting it on damages it a little because it gets cut by the metal it's supposed to go around.

Damn sharp edges!

Still, might grab that 22mm...

 

[Nailz]

I have the 25mm and 22mm siren's, and IMO, the 22's are better made, the orings really suck on the 25mm, glad I got the 22mm 1st, or probably wouldn't of bought more if just went straight with the 25mm.

 

[access0denied]

Yeah, there's a bit of play for sure. I have two - on one, the deck was slightly bent, but on the second it looks good - however, you can see that the middle and the sides aren't quite even.

That o-ring for the top of the glass is a doozey - just putting it on damages it a little because it gets cut by the metal it's supposed to go around.

Damn sharp edges!

Still, might grab that 22mm...

I'm debating on putting on Loctite, but not sure if I dare. As much I wanna love this tank. Currently I'm using my Kayfun V5 which is great. Which I used every day for almost a solid year, till I got the 25mm. But yeah, after two months, I've switched back to the Kayfun.

 

[billybc96]

I'm debating on putting on Loctite, but not sure if I dare. As much I wanna love this tank. Currently I'm using my Kayfun V5 which is great. Which I used every day for almost a solid year, till I got the 25mm. But yeah, after two months, I've switched back to the Kayfun.

Oh, don't fear using blue Loctite. It won't harm anything, or poison you, or anything like that. I've used it on several tanks, and it has always helped keep parts from inadvertently loosening up - which has always been a bonus, though sometimes just a small bonus. Just don't use much of the stuff. Very little is required to get the desired result. Apply it when your tank is clean and dry, and let it cure for awhile before opening up your tank again to build on or refill with juice.

I'm so, so on the Digiflavor Siren 22mm. So far it is working pretty well, as long as I don't fill it up too much. I fill it to just a millimeter or two above the top of the bell chamber, and that seems to run without any significant leaking. Anything much over that and all the extra juice just seems to leak out anyway - which is, of course, very annoying.

Compared to my various Kayfun V3 Mini and Mini Plus clones, I still like the Siren just a tad more. The Siren's airflow control is, of course, a lot easier. I think I get slightly better flavor off of it too. The V3 Minis don't leak, but the Mini Plus will, initially, if care is not taken during the refill process. So, the Siren still has a slightly higher juice capacity - even when I don't fill it all the way, to prevent leaking.

I also prefer the Siren's build deck, which is a bit easier to install the coil in - without needing three hands. The build deck screws are just better, clamping a wider range of wires more securely, with less fiddling. It is somewhat easier to wick the coil properly as well, and the Siren design does better at helping prevent dry hits - as long as you do your part.

I can also use a wider range of 510 drip tip mouthpieces on my Siren. All of my Kayfun V3 Minis are very limited in what you can stick on them. You are pretty much limited to using only Kayfun drip tips, for the most part, with very few (hard to find) exceptions.

So, the Siren is not perfect. Those leak issues need to be resolved somehow or another - to make full use of the tank's juice capacity. I just bought a 50-pack of Metric Buna 4 x 1mm o-rings from O-rings and More, to see if installing one of those under the MTL airflow restriction cap will help with the issue at all. I'm not sure what else to try beyond what I've already done. I'm open to more suggestions.

 

[JustWondering1]

Oh, don't fear using blue Loctite. It won't harm anything, or poison you, or anything like that. I've used it on several tanks, and it has always helped keep parts from inadvertently loosening up - which has always been a bonus, though sometimes just a small bonus. Just don't use much of the stuff. Very little is required to get the desired result. Apply it when your tank is clean and dry, and let it cure for awhile before opening up your tank again to build on or refill with juice.

I'm so, so on the Digiflavor Siren 22mm. So far it is working pretty well, as long as I don't fill it up too much. I fill it to just a millimeter or two above the top of the bell chamber, and that seems to run without any significant leaking. Anything much over that and all the extra juice just seems to leak out anyway - which is, of course, very annoying.

Compared to my various Kayfun V3 Mini and Mini Plus clones, I still like the Siren just a tad more. The Siren's airflow control is, of course, a lot easier. I think I get slightly better flavor off of it too. The V3 Minis don't leak, but the Mini Plus will, initially, if care is not taken during the refill process. So, the Siren still has a slightly higher juice capacity - even when I don't fill it all the way, to prevent leaking.

I also prefer the Siren's build deck, which is a bit easier to install the coil in - without needing three hands. The build deck screws are just better, clamping a wider range of wires more securely, with less fiddling. It is somewhat easier to wick the coil properly as well, and the Siren design does better at helping prevent dry hits - as long as you do your part.

I can also use a wider range of 510 drip tip mouthpieces on my Siren. All of my Kayfun V3 Minis are very limited in what you can stick on them. You are pretty much limited to using only Kayfun drip tips, for the most part, with very few (hard to find) exceptions.

So, the Siren is not perfect. Those leak issues need to be resolved somehow or another - to make full use of the tank's juice capacity. I just bought a 50-pack of Metric Buna 4 x 1mm o-rings from O-rings and More, to see if installing one of those under the MTL airflow restriction cap will help with the issue at all. I'm not sure what else to try beyond what I've already done. I'm open to more suggestions.

Go back 5 or 10 pages and read about what Fad and 52 did to keep their Sirens from seeping. It involves tightening the pin and installing an o-ring on the airflow tube, but I'm not sure about the specifics. They have had excellent results from this fix. Luckily, I haven't needed to do that.

I find if I fill my Siren much above the top of the build chamber, I'll get the seeping too. I can fix that with extra cotton in my wick, but, it's pretty easy to just keep the juice level lower. One other thing that helps is to close off the airflow completely when filling, but I have a hard time remembering to do that.

 

[Bigbob2322]

Oh, don't fear using blue Loctite. It won't harm anything, or poison you, or anything like that. I've used it on several tanks, and it has always helped keep parts from inadvertently loosening up - which has always been a bonus, though sometimes just a small bonus. Just don't use much of the stuff. Very little is required to get the desired result. Apply it when your tank is clean and dry, and let it cure for awhile before opening up your tank again to build on or refill with juice.

I'm so, so on the Digiflavor Siren 22mm. So far it is working pretty well, as long as I don't fill it up too much. I fill it to just a millimeter or two above the top of the bell chamber, and that seems to run without any significant leaking. Anything much over that and all the extra juice just seems to leak out anyway - which is, of course, very annoying.

Compared to my various Kayfun V3 Mini and Mini Plus clones, I still like the Siren just a tad more. The Siren's airflow control is, of course, a lot easier. I think I get slightly better flavor off of it too. The V3 Minis don't leak, but the Mini Plus will, initially, if care is not taken during the refill process. So, the Siren still has a slightly higher juice capacity - even when I don't fill it all the way, to prevent leaking.

I also prefer the Siren's build deck, which is a bit easier to install the coil in - without needing three hands. The build deck screws are just better, clamping a wider range of wires more securely, with less fiddling. It is somewhat easier to wick the coil properly as well, and the Siren design does better at helping prevent dry hits - as long as you do your part.

I can also use a wider range of 510 drip tip mouthpieces on my Siren. All of my Kayfun V3 Minis are very limited in what you can stick on them. You are pretty much limited to using only Kayfun drip tips, for the most part, with very few (hard to find) exceptions.

So, the Siren is not perfect. Those leak issues need to be resolved somehow or another - to make full use of the tank's juice capacity. I just bought a 50-pack of Metric Buna 4 x 1mm o-rings from O-rings and More, to see if installing one of those under the MTL airflow restriction cap will help with the issue at all. I'm not sure what else to try beyond what I've already done. I'm open to more suggestions.

Iv'e done a couple O-Ring fixes on my Sirens and 0 seepage or leaks.